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Old 11-17-2012, 06:00 PM   #126
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this just shows the obama terrorist network can not be trusted
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:36 PM   #127
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this just shows the obama terrorist network can not be trusted
BUT WHO, OH WHO TOLD HER TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JEN....WHO...WHO TOLD HER TO DO IT?????


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Old 11-17-2012, 08:37 PM   #128
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How dare this bitch do what she was instructed to do!!!!!


Why couldnt she show the same level if integrity Oliver North did?

How dare the bitch lie to her employers.
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:43 PM   #129
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How dare the bitch lie to her employers.
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So, is this the new blanket, after "Solyndra!" got worn and torn?
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Still not sure where the alleged scandal is. So Obama ordered people to lie about the Benghazi incident ... why?

I mean, it would be one thing if the attack had been carried out by his family members or childhood friends he wanted to protect, but the thinking here seems to be that if people knew it was a planned terror attack, that would be hugely politically damaging, despite over 30 years of recent American history that suggest exactly the opposite. So I repeat: what was the motive for this allegedly unprecedented lie?
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:24 AM   #133
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The intelligence community - not the White House, State Department or Justice Department - was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points distributed for government officials who spoke publicly about the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, the spokesman for the director of national intelligence said Monday.

The unclassified talking points on Libya, developed several days after the the deadly attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, were not substantively changed by any agency outside of the intelligence community, according to the spokesman, Shawn Turner.

Republican criticism of the talking points intensified last Friday following a closed door hearing with former CIA Director David Petraeus.

Rep. Peter King, R-New York, told reporters after the hearing that the original talking parts drafted by the CIA had been changed and it was unclear who was responsible.

"The original talking points were much more specific about al Qaeda involvement and yet final ones just said indications of extremists," King said.

The September 11 attack resulted in the death of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

The unclassified talking points were first developed by the CIA at the request of the House Intelligence Committee, whose members wanted to know what they could say publicly about the Benghazi attack.

The initial version included information linking individuals involved in the attack to al Qaeda, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the drafting of the talking points. But when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, there was a decision to change "al Qaeda" to "extremists." The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes.

"First, the information about individuals linked to al Qaeda was derived from classified sources," the official said. "Second, when links were so tenuous - as they still are - it makes sense to be cautious before pointing fingers so you don't set off a chain of circular and self-reinforcing assumptions. Third, it is important to be careful not to prejudice a criminal investigation in its early stages."

Some Republican members of Congress suggested the change came from within the Obama administration - from the White House, the Justice Department, or another government agency.

Turner, the spokesman for National Intelligence Director James Clapper, said that was not the case.

"The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to government agency partners for their feedback," Turner said, referring to the White House, Justice Department, State Department, Pentagon and FBI. "There were no substantive changes made to the talking points after they left the intelligence community," he said.

The House Intelligence Committee was not satisfied with Turner's statement.

"The statement released this evening by the DNI's spokesman regarding how the Intelligence Community's talking points were changed gives a new explanation that differs significantly from information provided in testimony to the Committee last week," said committee spokeswoman Susan Phalen. "Chairman Rogers looks forward to discussing this new explanation with Director Clapper as soon as possible to understand how the DNI reached this conclusion and why leaders of the Intelligence Community testified late last week that they were unaware of who changed the talking points."

The White House on Friday said it made only one change, substituting the word "mission" for "consulate."

The FBI requested a change in language which originally stated the U.S. "knew" Islamic extremists participated in the attack. According to a U.S. intelligence official the wording was changed to "there are indications" Islamic extremists participated.

The drumbeat of criticism began early on with Republicans criticizing the Obama administration for publicly saying the attack grew out of a spontaneous protest against an anti Muslim video on the web even though the Republicans claim the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack.

The harshest criticism has focused on Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, who used the talking points as the basis for comments she made on Sunday talk shows five days after the attack. During her appearances, Rice said a small number of people came to the mission in reaction to demonstrations occurring in Cairo over the anti-Muslim film, but the Benghazi protest was hijacked by armed extremists. She never mentioned terrorists.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, said this isn't about parsing words. "There was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. That's my concern," Rogers said last Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Former CIA Director Petraeus told lawmakers last Friday there were multiple streams of intelligence, some that indicated Ansar al Sharia was behind the attack, according to an official with knowledge of the situation. But other intelligence indicated the violence at the Benghazi mission was inspired by protests in Egypt over the anti Muslim video.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, told CNN on Monday that Petraeus explained why the talking points were changed.

"Gen. Petraeus made it clear that that change was made to protect classified sources of information, not to spin it, not to politicize it and it wasn't done at the direction of the white house. That really ought to be the end of it, but it isn't. So we have to continue to go around this merry go round, but at a certain point when all the facts point in a certain direction, we're going to have to accept them as they are and move on," Schiff said.

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Amazing! Somebody should tell Diane Feinstein, General Petraeus, and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:36 AM   #135
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Amazing! Somebody should tell Diane Feinstein, General Petraeus, and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees.
And vetteman doubles down on denial because the facts don't fit his desire to blame it on Obama.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:39 AM   #136
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Regardless of the details, Susan Rice is now thoroughly damaged goods - in terms of any future as SecState. Remember, there were political clouds above her even before the first election (whether of substance or not) . The mediablitzgate after Benghazi sealed her deal. Again the details are only important as a post mortem. She will never be seen as an entirely credible voice.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:02 PM   #137
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Regardless of the details, Susan Rice is now thoroughly damaged goods - in terms of any future as SecState. Remember, there were political clouds above her even before the first election (whether of substance or not) . The mediablitzgate after Benghazi sealed her deal. Again the details are only important as a post mortem. She will never be seen as an entirely credible voice.
I wouldn't go as far to say she doesn't have a future as SoS. Remember - there is a Bizarro World regime in the WH. Anything can happen. Bad is good. Up is down. Light is dark.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:06 PM   #138
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Regardless of the details, Susan Rice is now thoroughly damaged goods - in terms of any future as SecState.
...and THIS was the desired end result of this nontroversy in the first place.

As the Decider once famously opined..."Mission Accomplished"!
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I wouldn't go as far to say she doesn't have a future as SoS. Remember - there is a Bizarro World regime in the WH. Anything can happen. Bad is good. Up is down. Light is dark.
Don't forget that Harry Reid is running Obama's show in the Senate. The only thing we can block in the Senate are Obama's sovereignty destroying treaties.
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Regardless of the details, Susan Rice is now thoroughly damaged goods - in terms of any future as SecState. Remember, there were political clouds above her even before the first election (whether of substance or not) . The mediablitzgate after Benghazi sealed her deal. Again the details are only important as a post mortem. She will never be seen as an entirely credible voice.
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Oh now the word "incompetent" is a racial "code word," according to minority racist Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C.

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And vetteman doubles down on denial because the facts don't fit his desire to blame it on Obama.
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FROM RWANDA TO BENGHAZI, SUSAN RICE'S RECORD OF POLITICAL CRONYISM

by KEVIN L. MARTIN 20 Nov 2012, 6:48 AM PDT


President Obama and Congressional Democrats have gone to great lengths to defend embattled U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s role in aftermath of the 9-11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Libya. Ms. Rice’s defenders claim that her initial public assessment that the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a spontaneous protest in reaction to a supposed Anti-Islam Film on YouTube was based on bad intelligence.

Congressional hearings have revealed that the CIA, under its former director David Petraeus, knew through intelligence on the ground and from assets overhead that this planned attack was carried out by Al-Qaeda. It would appear that Ms. Rice was part of a coordinated effort by unknown elements within the White House to downplay the terrorist aspect of Benghazi attack, which happened on the 11th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks and with less than 8 weeks to go before a Presidential election.

Many people on both sides of the political septum are well aware of Ms. Rice’s history of political cronyism and her tactic of twisting truth to protect the political fortunes of the administrations in which she has served. While Congressional Democrats have sought to portray the investigation into Ms. Rice’s role in the Benghazi cover-up as a witch hunt based on racism and sexism, some of these same Democrats have had their own concerns about Ms. Rice’s cronyism in the past.

In a quote for a 2002 book written by Samantha Power, Ms. Rice stated, “If we use the word 'genocide' and are seen as doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November congressional election?" in her attempted defense of the Clinton Administration’s lack of inaction in response to the genocide that was taking place in the tiny African Nation of Rwanda in 1994. It was later revealed that President Clinton along with Madeline Albright, Anthony Lake, Warren Christopher and Ms. Rice were all part of a coordinated effort not only to block U.N. action to stop the genocide, but worked behind the scene to craft public opinion on the issue by removing the words such as, "genocide and ethnic cleansing" from official State Department and CIA Memos.

In 1997, when President Clinton sought to promote Ms. Rice to the position of Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, members of the Congressional Black Caucus objected to the appointment based on her history of being part of the Washington Elite Class. This is the same Congressional Black Caucus, who is now in 2012 attempting to defend her with trumped up charges of racism and sexism. Even as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, many inside and outside of Washington questioned Ms. Rice’s tenure, as she would reap praise on and worked with certain African Dictators with questionable records.

As President Obama’s U.S. Ambassador to the U.N., Ms. Rice has come under fire several times in the past. She has missed key votes and she has not opposed nations with questionable human rights records heading key U.N. committees. Rice seems to have taken "a go along to get along attitude" at events like the U.N.'s weak response to the Iranian Election Protest of 2009 or the ongoing disrupt concerning Iran’s Nuclear Program as well as China’s muscle flexing in the East China Sea as of late. Now it would seem that with President Obama’s reelection behind him, he is preparing to reward Ms. Rice with the position of Secretary of State (as Ms. Clinton said she is not interested in serving a second term) as she helped shape early public opinion on the Benghazi Attack.

If Ms. Rice does receive the appointment of Secretary of State, it will be with even more blood on her resume, as President Clinton rewarded her after misleading the public on the issues of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Africa. Now President Obama is set to reward her even further, with a possible appointment to Secretary of State. This time her record of shameful political cronyism is now covered in the blood of 4 Americans and that is why her defenders are trying to make this about her race and gender because loyalty to the public is trumped by loyalty to a President and his party.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...tical-Cronyism
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FROM RWANDA TO BENGHAZI, SUSAN RICE'S RECORD OF POLITICAL CRONYISM

by KEVIN L. MARTIN 20 Nov 2012, 6:48 AM PDT


President Obama and Congressional Democrats have gone to great lengths to defend embattled U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s role in aftermath of the 9-11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Libya. Ms. Rice’s defenders claim that her initial public assessment that the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a spontaneous protest in reaction to a supposed Anti-Islam Film on YouTube was based on bad intelligence.

Congressional hearings have revealed that the CIA, under its former director David Petraeus, knew through intelligence on the ground and from assets overhead that this planned attack was carried out by Al-Qaeda. It would appear that Ms. Rice was part of a coordinated effort by unknown elements within the White House to downplay the terrorist aspect of Benghazi attack, which happened on the 11th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks and with less than 8 weeks to go before a Presidential election.

Many people on both sides of the political septum are well aware of Ms. Rice’s history of political cronyism and her tactic of twisting truth to protect the political fortunes of the administrations in which she has served. While Congressional Democrats have sought to portray the investigation into Ms. Rice’s role in the Benghazi cover-up as a witch hunt based on racism and sexism, some of these same Democrats have had their own concerns about Ms. Rice’s cronyism in the past.

In a quote for a 2002 book written by Samantha Power, Ms. Rice stated, “If we use the word 'genocide' and are seen as doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November congressional election?" in her attempted defense of the Clinton Administration’s lack of inaction in response to the genocide that was taking place in the tiny African Nation of Rwanda in 1994. It was later revealed that President Clinton along with Madeline Albright, Anthony Lake, Warren Christopher and Ms. Rice were all part of a coordinated effort not only to block U.N. action to stop the genocide, but worked behind the scene to craft public opinion on the issue by removing the words such as, "genocide and ethnic cleansing" from official State Department and CIA Memos.

In 1997, when President Clinton sought to promote Ms. Rice to the position of Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, members of the Congressional Black Caucus objected to the appointment based on her history of being part of the Washington Elite Class. This is the same Congressional Black Caucus, who is now in 2012 attempting to defend her with trumped up charges of racism and sexism. Even as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, many inside and outside of Washington questioned Ms. Rice’s tenure, as she would reap praise on and worked with certain African Dictators with questionable records.

As President Obama’s U.S. Ambassador to the U.N., Ms. Rice has come under fire several times in the past. She has missed key votes and she has not opposed nations with questionable human rights records heading key U.N. committees. Rice seems to have taken "a go along to get along attitude" at events like the U.N.'s weak response to the Iranian Election Protest of 2009 or the ongoing disrupt concerning Iran’s Nuclear Program as well as China’s muscle flexing in the East China Sea as of late. Now it would seem that with President Obama’s reelection behind him, he is preparing to reward Ms. Rice with the position of Secretary of State (as Ms. Clinton said she is not interested in serving a second term) as she helped shape early public opinion on the Benghazi Attack.

If Ms. Rice does receive the appointment of Secretary of State, it will be with even more blood on her resume, as President Clinton rewarded her after misleading the public on the issues of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Africa. Now President Obama is set to reward her even further, with a possible appointment to Secretary of State. This time her record of shameful political cronyism is now covered in the blood of 4 Americans and that is why her defenders are trying to make this about her race and gender because loyalty to the public is trumped by loyalty to a President and his party.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...tical-Cronyism
LOL, I'll give you points for not giving up. I mean, even after it was shown that the intelligence community altered the report, you just keep going on as if it never happened.

Which makes this all the more amusing. Your desperation for a scandal that is. Besides, Lit needs a new court jester/Lib Tosser.
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LOL, I'll give you points for not giving up. I mean, even after it was shown that the intelligence community altered the report, you just keep going on as if it never happened.

Which makes this all the more amusing. Your desperation for a scandal that is. Besides, Lit needs a new court jester/Lib Tosser.
At least he's not blaming Islamists or Arabs or even anyone directly responsible for the attacks. Susan Rice's alleged cronyism is why they died.
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LOL, I'll give you points for not giving up. I mean, even after it was shown that the intelligence community altered the report, you just keep going on as if it never happened.

Which makes this all the more amusing. Your desperation for a scandal that is. Besides, Lit needs a new court jester/Lib Tosser.
I asked Vette a couple of pages back to prove that Obama was responsible for it. Zip, Nadda, Goose fucking egg. And this is the best he can come up with? Rantings from Breitbart?

Pretty fuckin' weak.....
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I asked Vette a couple of pages back to prove that Obama was responsible for it. Zip, Nadda, Goose fucking egg. And this is the best he can come up with? Rantings from Breitbart?

Pretty fuckin' weak.....
Your question must have been a non sequitur, then. Otherwise he would have eloquently addressed it head on.
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Your question must have been a non sequitur, then. Otherwise he would have eloquently addressed it head on.
Ten to one Vegas odds that the word "benighted" would've been used in his reply.
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To believe that the actual Benghazi debacle was anything but a collective misfortune is ludicrous. There was no demonstrable malice aforethought other than bureaucratic ineptitude. No one in the government wanted the buildings to burn or the Ambassador to die. That the "Mission" should have been better protected (or even how it was to be so) is a post-mortem parlour game. Bottom line: Counselor Operations in a hot zone are dangerous and yes... they are political in nature. Though an unfortunate occurrence, the politics involved around the actual event are not the essential question.

The Political question is not even about Ambassador Rice. She was just the unfortunate sacrificial mouthpiece. It begins to seem as if she's been Colin Powell'd by this administration; giving authoritative voice to known falsities. Stranger still if she took one for the team on this. If the terror angle was "held back as a political consideration" to... effect upon the impending election, then... then what?

That's where we are. Then what? Is there further blood to be had?

Is it impeachable?

It will only result in burned Rice.

The rest will fade into post election parlour gaming as well.

Rice will not be the next Sec State. Making a false statement of internally established fact with obvious political ramifications on one national News Program can be... excused, perhaps. That's called... uhhhhh... political obfuscation. To go on all 5 major Sunday morning News Programs and spout a political line of bullshit sacrifices any shred of credibility. In the mangled words of the great Marcellus Wallace, "Her credibility privileges are revoked".
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