American Union members showed Hostess

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

well, that makes sense


TO YOU!


show me teh CEO that said/did what you said

It makes sense to GM's long-term investors as well. The Volt program isn't meant to be in its prime in 2012.

[blobfish]

Originally Posted by mercury14

I'm not saying they don't deserve employment at all. I'm just acknowledging that a company that hasn't made a popular product in 25 years is going to get its ass handed to it in the free market. Conservatives are walking around with their little hard-ons, blaming unions while ignoring the fact that this is nothing more than the result of capitalism. If the unions took the deal (which would be their fourth concession) and Hostess became (barely) solvent, they'd just keep losing market share and be bankrupt again in four years. If the union dissolved or never existed Hostess would still be selling less Wonderbread every year.

How did you feel about the auto bailout?

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

It makes sense to GM's long-term investors as well. The Volt program isn't meant to be in its prime in 2012.

I see D Gephardt put his son on the BOD for $100K

SHOW ME THE COLD HEARTED CEO

[blobfish]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

I see D Gephardt put his son on the BOD for $100K

SHOW ME THE COLD HEARTED CEO

You change your name more than John Mellencamp.

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

It makes sense to GM's long-term investors as well. The Volt program isn't meant to be in its prime in 2012.

no business

that exists on its own

can afford to sell something NO ONE WANTS for such a loss

and

stay in business

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by blobfish

You change your name more than John Mellencamp.

so what

move on

[blobfish]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

so what

move on

Dot org?

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

I see D Gephardt put his son on the BOD for $100K

SHOW ME THE COLD HEARTED CEO

$100k isn't very much. That's actually a very low salary for a corporation this size. Should be work for free?

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

no business

that exists on its own

can afford to sell something NO ONE WANTS for such a loss

and

stay in business

Yes it can for two reasons:

1) They're playing the long game. Maybe Volts are sold for a loss today but they're not planning on taking a loss over a 30-year time frame. When Volts are produced on a larger scale, GM is making them with 3rd-generation technology, and the gas costs $5.90 per gallon, GM is going to profit off them.

2) The Volt program is only a slice of what GM does so even if it takes a loss (long or short-term) the company can still be profitable. This is what's currently going on now.


Toyota took a loss on their first and second generation Priuses. Did they stay in business?

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

Yes it can for two reasons:

1) They're playing the long game. Maybe Volts are sold for a loss today but they're not planning on taking a loss over a 30-year time frame. When Volts are produced on a larger scale, GM is making them with 3rd-generation technology, and the gas costs $5.90 per gallon, GM is going to profit off them.

2) The Volt program is only a slice of what GM does so even if it takes a loss (long or short-term) the company can still be profitable. This is what's currently going on now.


Toyota took a loss on their first and second generation Priuses. Did they stay in business?

Toyota had cars that WERE IN HIGH DEMAND

GM doesnt

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

$100k isn't very much. That's actually a very low salary for a corporation this size. Should be work for free?

as a BOD member

who FATHER was getting consulting FEES?

YES!


SHOW ME THE COLD HEARTED CEO!

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

SHOW ME THE COLD HEARTED CEO!

dont bother, you cant

we both know that!



I have a simple question for you!


Are the employees better off today

Then they were

ONE MONTH AGO?

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

Toyota had cars that WERE IN HIGH DEMAND

GM doesnt

So Toyota sold a LOT of cars for a loss. According to you they should have gone out of business.

The Prius program is still in the red for Toyota.

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

So Toyota sold a LOT of cars for a loss. According to you they should have gone out of business.

The Prius program is still in the red for Toyota.

Not what I said

I said they sold a lot of cars that were in great demand

And

Could sustain a START UP BRAND

PRIUS is not in the red

[MNGuy]

That sucks, I Wonder what Zingers my friend Suzy Q will have for my SnoBalls to make me Ho-Hos while I stick my DingDongs in between her Twinkies.

[Anquan Jihad]

Prius is in HIGH demand worldwide and is NOT losing money, you LIED as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius

VOLT is HIT and NO ONE WANTS em, the bulk of sales are govenmement or government forced sales

[Tryharder62]

Originally Posted by MNGuy

That sucks, I Wonder what Zingers my friend Suzy Q will have for my SnoBalls to make me Ho-Hos while I stick my DingDongs in between her Twinkies.

You put your ding dong's WHERE?

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

Not what I said

I said they sold a lot of cars that were in great demand

And

Could sustain a START UP BRAND

PRIUS is not in the red

Priuses were not in high demand until they were around for like six years.

The "GM loses $50k per Volt" figure is from an absurd assessment formulated by a guy who refuses to spread R&D costs out over the life of a vehicle. It's Patriot Math designed to appeal to dimwits.

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

So Toyota sold a LOT of cars for a loss. According to you they should have gone out of business.

The Prius program is still in the red for Toyota.

why the fuck would you so obviously LIE?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...apan-gain.html

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

Priuses were not in high demand until they were around for like six years.

The "GM loses $50k per Volt" figure is from an absurd assessment formulated by a guy who refuses to spread R&D costs out over the life of a vehicle. It's Patriot Math designed to appeal to dimwits.

yes, we know

all sources must be shit on


yes, spread teh R n D over 100 yrs

99 yrs after they no longer sell

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

Prius is in HIGH demand worldwide and is NOT losing money, you LIED as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius

VOLT is HIT and NO ONE WANTS em, the bulk of sales are govenmement or government forced sales

I didn't say the Prius is losing money. But it lost money on its first and second-generation models and the program as a whole has yet to make a net profit.

The Volt is still in its first generation with the second gen on its way soon. Let's see if the third-gen Volts are profitable.

[Anquan Jihad]

Originally Posted by mercury14

I didn't say the Prius is losing money. But it lost money on its first and second-generation models and the program as a whole has yet to make a net profit.

The Volt is still in its first generation with the second gen on its way soon. Let's see if the third-gen Volts are profitable.

STFU, BullShit artist

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

why the fuck would you so obviously LIE?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...apan-gain.html

Your link doesn't dispute my point.

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by BUSYBODY-II

Prius is in HIGH demand worldwide and is NOT losing money, you LIED as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius

VOLT is HIT and NO ONE WANTS em, the bulk of sales are govenmement or government forced sales

According to your wiki link, about 40k Priuses were sold in the US its first three years compared to 31k Volts (in 2 years 10 months). When you consider that Toyota had the advantage of producing Priuses in Japan for three years prior I'd say that the fledgeling programs weren't that different.

[Desert Amazon]

Originally Posted by hogjack

Employer healthcare model is unsustainable and an antiquated concept.

So is burlesque but I still attend performances regularly.

I imagine any change would be hard on Americans where it pertains to healthcare. Everybody wants it but they don't really know what exactly it is that they want.

Okay, so the new healthcare law isn't perfect…but the old way wasn't working.

Regardless of what our nation goes forward with, it's going to cost. The problem is, no one wants to pay. In the news yesterday I read that a Florida Denny's manager posted a sign that he was adding 5% to bills because of ObamaCare. Ridiculous, but it was bound to happen and it's going to get worse.

btw, HI!