Gaza

[torchthebitch]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

When the guy immolated himself and the Arab Spring was born, that was the sound of the Archduke being assassinated.

The fight for the Caliphate is underway. The faction that liberates Jerusalem will have the inside edge and it will once again be where the Muslim world faces when they pray.

The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us.

I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us.
Eric Hoffer

Egypt says it will not leave Gaza on its own. Interesting dilemma for the US.
Britain and France have move to lift the arms embargo on the Syrian resistance. Just how long before they are used against Israel?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by torchthebitch

Egypt says it will not leave Gaza on its own. Interesting dilemma for the US.
Britain and France have move to lift the arms embargo on the Syrian resistance. Just how long before they are used against Israel?

Indeed.

Let me try and find something I posted yesterday...

Arrrgggg...

Oh well, it was pointing out that this is the first of three steps by Israel to deal with the Iranian Problem...

[4est_4est_Gump]

Here we go, from the HAL_9000 thread

Possibly just the beginning now that the election is over:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...f-Three-Fronts

[4est_4est_Gump]

Then there is this opinion:

Speaking on background this week, a senior Israeli official said that the threat of conventional war against Israel had fallen sharply due to instability in the Arab world.

The official predicted that the 22 members of the Arab League would split into 28 to 30 countries during the next five years as the so-called Arab Spring turns out to be an “Islamist winter.” Those who expected a democratic resurgence after the Arab revolts of 2011, he argued, “have no understanding of history and no understanding of the social circumstances of Arab countries. It isn’t like Eastern Europe after the fall of Communism. Eastern Europe had the experience of democracy between the wars, and it also had a great culture. Above all, it didn’t have a political religion dedicated to conquest.”

What the official characterized as “the implosion of the Arab world” would make it much harder for Arab countries to mount a conventional threat against the Jewish state, he said. “Between the alternative of having our enemies divided or united, we prefer to have them divided,” he added. “The states put together after World War I by Mr. Sykes and Mr. Picot won’t hold together. We are finding out that Arab countries aren’t really countries in the first place. Libya turns out to be not a country, but a collection of 140 tribes. And we hardly need talk about what is happening in Syria.”

He added, “The clout of the Arab League is falling, and Arab oil is becoming less important.” After the 1967 war, he observed, the Arabs consoled themselves for their defeat by asserting that time was on their side. “Now, no-one can say that time is on the side of the Arabs. They are in danger of disintegration. Time is on nobody’s side. Time is on the side of whoever prepares best for the future.”

Asked whether the ascendancy of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and other Arab countries might foster a supranational strain of radicalism in the Arab world, the official dismissed the scenario as extremely unlikely. “The Arabs are too divided among themselves for a unified Islamist movement to emerge. First, there is the Sunni-Shia split which probably will never be resolved. And within the Sunna, there are deep splits. The Muslim Brotherhood is at odds with the Salafists, for example; the Saudis are Salafist, and that is why the Saudis and the Egyptians are walking on eggshells when they talk to each other.”

As Jerusalem views the world, the official explained, two contradictory trends predominate. One is towards economic integration, and the other is toward geopolitical disintegration. “All through the Arab world the dialogue among intellectuals is about the dysfunction of their countries,” he said. The Arab world may be the most extreme example, he added, but it is not the only one: “Look at Scotland, or Catalonia. Who would have thought fifty years ago that the Scots might be voting on independence from England?”

Iran’s nuclear program remains the great danger, and April will be a pivotal month, the official added, both because of the rate of accumulation of highly enriched uranium, and because the campaign for Iran’s June presidential election will begin in that month. If Iran wants to avoid war, its political leaders will have to signal a change in policy to their own people in the lead-up to the elections.

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2012/11/...inglepage=true

[tactful]

Originally Posted by torchthebitch

Armageddon?

Not quite, but, it will be a good show.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by tactful

Not quite, but, it will be a good show.

Will their be sexuality, promiscuity and homosexuality?

If not, then no...



No one does just violence any more... This is not your Father's "Die Hard."

[tactful]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Will their be sexuality, promiscuity and homosexuality?

If not, then no...



No one does just violence any more... This is not your Father's "Die Hard."

It'll be like a "Rambo Special", is he Jewish ?

And actually there will be sex, somebody will be getting fucked, really, really bad.

[vetteman]

The strategy for Israel is quite simple, kill every military aged male fist pumping in the street.

[4est_4est_Gump]

No. They need to stop pretending that the Palestinian Fiction is reality, occupy Gaza and the West Bank and teach the animals civilization or kill them. They need to kick the UN out and take over the schools and hospitals.

While Syria is in turmoil, they should take over the areas controlled by H'zbollah and occupy them too until a Syrian government emerges that is willing to control them.

[phrodeau]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

When the guy immolated himself and the Arab Spring was born, that was the sound of the Archduke being assassinated.

The fight for the Caliphate is underway. The faction that liberates Jerusalem will have the inside edge and it will once again be where the Muslim world faces when they pray.

The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us.

I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us.
Eric Hoffer

Israel didn't help liberate Iraq. Some reliability.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by phrodeau

Israel didn't help liberate Iraq. Some reliability.

Another great point!

Obama shot Osama and Israel is a piece of shit!

Dude! You are on a serious foreign policy roll this morning...

[phrodeau]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Another great point!

Obama shot Osama and Israel is a piece of shit!

Dude! You are on a serious foreign policy roll this morning...

You're the one making those un-"original comments".

[4est_4est_Gump]

Maybe you should trust them a bit more for not falling for the WMD bullshit and staying focused on Iran...

Since 1948, Israel and Iraq have been implacable foes. Technically, Baghdad has been in a continuous state of war with Israel since 1948.[3] It sent armies to fight Israel in 1948 and 1967. Iraq also sent troops to provide back up for Syria's armed forces in the Yom Kippur War in 1973.
Saddam Hussein was widely revered in Arab nations for his anti-Israel stance and has supported several Palestinian guerrilla and militant organisations, and during the last Palestinian intifada Iraq subsidized families of Palestinian martyrs (including suicide bombers).[citation needed] Military action was taken by Israel when they bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981, fearing that Saddam would use it to develop nuclear weapons. Iraq did not respond until during the Persian Gulf war, in 1991, when Hussein's army fired 39 Scud missiles at Israel. However, Israel did not retaliate and no further action was taken from either sides since.
According to British author Nigel Ashton, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin sent a message to Saddam Hussein through King Hussein of Jordan requesting a meeting between him and Saddam. Rabin hoped peace with Iraq might encourage Iran and Syria to do the same. Rabin was assassinated in November, ending the contact between governments.[4] Rabin had previously supervised Operation Bramble Bush, a failed 1992 plan to assassinate Saddam with Sayeret Matkal commandos.[5]
[edit]Since the 2003 war in Iraq
In 2003, a US-led coalition of nations (which did not include Israel) toppled Hussein's government in an effort called Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to former US undersecretary of defense Douglas Feith, Israeli officials did not push their American counterparts to initiate the war in Iraq. In an interview with Ynet, Feith stated that "what you heard from the Israelis was not any kind of advocacy of war with Iraq" and that "[w]hat you heard from Israeli officials in private discussions was that they were not really focused on Iraq... [t]hey were much more focused on Iran."[6]
Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said in 2004 that Iraq would not reconcile its differences with Israel.[7]
On July 1, 2008, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak shook hands and met briefly with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani at a conference of Socialist International in Greece. Barak and Talabani were both at the conference as representatives of their respective political parties, Labour and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan.[8]
Iraqi MP Mithal al-Alusi has twice visited Israel; once in 2004 and once in 2008, drawing protest from many in the Iraqi government. He has called for diplomatic relations and military intelligence sharing between Iraq and Israel.[9][10]
During the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza Conflict, the Iraqi government condemned the attack, stating that: "the Iraqi government demands a halt to the military operations, that civilians’ lives are not unnecessarily exposed to danger and requests that the international community honour its responsibilities and take the required measures to stop the attack".[11] The Dawa Party of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki called on Islamic countries to cut relations with Israel and end all "secret and public talks" with it.[12] Also the Iraqi Shia leader Ali al-Sistani, has called for decisive action by Arab and Muslim states for an end to Israeli attacks on Gaza. Though he condemned the operation, he stated that "supporting our brothers only with words is meaningless, considering the big tragedy they are facing."[13] After the 2010 Gaza flotilla raid, an Iraqi government official, MP Khairallah al-Basri (a member of current premier Nouri al-Maliki's State of Law Coalition), condemned the attack and described it as a "new humanitarian disaster," as well as, "a violation of human rights and a breach of international standards and norms."[14] On July 1, 2012 Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said that Iraq will establish diplomatic relations with all sovereign United Nations member states except Israel. He said that Iraq does not discriminate against any country but he rejected the idea of establishing any cultural, economic, military, or political ties with the Jewish state.[15]

[phrodeau]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Maybe you should trust them a bit more for not falling for the WMD bullshit and staying focused on Iran...

Apparently, we couldn't rely on Israel's conviction about WMD's.

[torchthebitch]

Originally Posted by phrodeau

Israel didn't help liberate Iraq. Some reliability.

During the First Gulf War Iraq did everything they could to provoke an attack by Israel. The US deployed the ABMs to defend Israel and keep them out of it since they feared the coalition would collapse. The same applied to the Second GW. Had Israel participated the Islamic nations would all have jumped in, probably even Iran. Turkey would have denied use of their airbases and there would have been no northern assault.

But you knew all that.

[hogjack]

I've only seen images and video of the Gaza Strip.

The surface of Mars is more fertile.

Fighting over land that would be a tire dump in the US.

[phrodeau]

Originally Posted by torchthebitch

During the First Gulf War Iraq did everything they could to provoke an attack by Israel. The US deployed the ABMs to defend Israel and keep them out of it since they feared the coalition would collapse. The same applied to the Second GW. Had Israel participated the Islamic nations would all have jumped in, probably even Iran. Turkey would have denied use of their airbases and there would have been no northern assault.

But you knew all that.

Oh, so the amassing of the Coalition Of the Willing was meant to prevent a world war. That makes total sense.

[JackAssJim]

Originally Posted by hogjack

I've only seen images and video of the Gaza Strip.

The surface of Mars is more fertile.

Fighting over land that would be a tire dump in the US.

That is an insult to tire dumps!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by hogjack

I've only seen images and video of the Gaza Strip.

The surface of Mars is more fertile.

Fighting over land that would be a tire dump in the US.

I was there in the 90's. Apart feom the heat, the place it reminded me of more than anything was East Berlin.

[akatrex]

Originally Posted by phrodeau

It's a rumbling from the tailings of World War II. I hope that it ends soon.

Israeli fishermen watching HAM-ASS Vaporized.

[akatrex]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Another great point!

Obama shot Osama and Israel is a piece of shit!

Dude! You are on a serious foreign policy roll this morning...

Correction: SEAL Team 6 Shot Osama Bin Laden, then sat on his chest on the way back to the Flat Top - USS Carl Vinson.

Thank God they Killed Osama Bin Laden or the Idiot Eric Holder would have wanted to Hold Court in Manhattan.

[GoFuckYourself]

[Ahlam]

Has anyone been over there? I have. It looks like the damned surface of the moon. They'll always be blowing the shit out of each other.

[torchthebitch]

Originally Posted by phrodeau

Oh, so the amassing of the Coalition Of the Willing was meant to prevent a world war. That makes total sense.

No. It was a figleaf to cover American and British politicians looking for another Falklands factor.

But you knew that too.

[Loring2]

Originally Posted by thelovingsadist

Seriously?

I'm disappointed in you, fishy. I thought you of all people here would understand an Asatru reference.



And what war would you call world war three?

Certainly, everyone should know all about a new Norse and I mean neonorsepaganism. You are so hip that you're almost impressive.