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Old 12-28-2012, 11:43 AM   #1
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Is this incest to you?

I'm working on a story about a guy who ends up in a mother/daughter threesome.

I'd like to publish this to amazon who has a strict no incest policy.

Having said that, at no point during the sex does the mother/daughter "participate" with each other so to speak.

The closest they get is passing his cock back and forth during a double blow job. Aside from that he takes turns fucking one while the other simply watches or touches him or one rides his face while the other his cock. In the scene they don't so much as even touch each others tits.

There's a some language along the lines of "how does my daughters tight pussy feel & "do you like watching my mother suck your cock etc....

To me this is not incest(pretty sleazy on the part of all involved, but not incest) however Amazon is a pain with this and I'm looking for some opinions.

I can if I need to make them step mother daughter and at which point I may as well let them play with each other, but that's not the story I intend on writing.

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PLAYBOY did it back in 1968, that is, had a mother/daughter centerfold spread. Lotsa nude hugging and shit but not really incest. What you got is kind of a 3-some but not really.
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It sounds like you should be asking someone at Amazon...
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It sounds like you should be asking someone at Amazon...
Have you tried that?

Besides nothing like calling attention to yourself, "So I have this idea that maay or may not violate your...."

Besides, seriously according to Amazon's guidelines they allow no "pornographic" material. Meaning if they wanted to they could literally wipe every work of erotica off their shelves and point to that rule.

Yet at the same time they have an erotica category to publish under. I'm not going to get them thinking.
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I just did a mother/daughter story for here with no touching of each other but it ended up in incest anyway.
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I just did a mother/daughter story for here with no touching of each other but it ended up in incest anyway.
That's interesting because I understand your frustration that it should have been in group(where I would think you were going with it)

On the other hand even though its not technically incest I think to many people it "smacks" of it and just the words mother/daughter would get the site to stick it there.

I think whether they are fooling around with each other or not its still taboo and I can see people being "squicked" at it.
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That's interesting because I understand your frustration that it should have been in group(where I would think you were going with it)

On the other hand even though its not technically incest I think to many people it "smacks" of it and just the words mother/daughter would get the site to stick it there.

I think whether they are fooling around with each other or not its still taboo and I can see people being "squicked" at it.
I wrote an incest story. Its about a guy named STELLA who's a mother, and another guy named TEX, who's a mother fucker.
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I wrote an incest story. Its about a guy named STELLA who's a mother, and another guy named TEX, who's a mother fucker.

When will it be up?
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You've raised an interesting [possibly legal] question.
Would a ' sexual relationship' between a Mother & her daughter be classed as Incest ?
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Just as soon as TEX can get it up.
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I'm not sure that same sex contact between consenting parent and child even has a legal definition. Personally, LC, I'd call it 'group' but I had a story where the parents specifically said "we don't do incest" and it got classified in incest anyway. Go figure.
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You've raised an interesting [possibly legal] question.
Would a ' sexual relationship' between a Mother & her daughter be classed as Incest ?
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You've raised an interesting [possibly legal] question.
Would a ' sexual relationship' between a Mother & her daughter be classed as Incest ?
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That's interesting because I understand your frustration that it should have been in group(where I would think you were going with it)

On the other hand even though its not technically incest I think to many people it "smacks" of it and just the words mother/daughter would get the site to stick it there.

I think whether they are fooling around with each other or not its still taboo and I can see people being "squicked" at it.
well, if your only definition of sex is PIV, then on a technicality they aren't having sex with each other.

But in fact, they are having sex-- and they are with each other. The same bed is plenty close enough to count, IMO. And yeah, the whole thing is pretty squicky to me, but then-- I don't get parent/child incest at all.
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Just as soon as TEX can get it up.
So your productivity is base upon direct observation then? Maybe Voyeur, not Incest then.
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Hmm, I've been thinking about this for a bit, and the proposed story line does come across as border line incest, but certainly not by very much. Maybe if you toned down the dialogue where they refer to each other as mother and daughter - have them use first names instead.

But I guess it's still a matter of definitions and just the fact that they are having sex at the same time in the same room with the same guy does cross a line that I personally would consider taboo. I would probably still find it hot as a story, but harder to accept in real life - and it would not make much difference whether they touched each other or not.
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The fundamental question to me is not, is it incest? The question to my mind is, Is this proposal honest?

My own view is that the proposal is dishonest in that it attempts to con Amazon.
The appropriate response from Amazon would be to at least ban the story as contrary to the intent of their clear policy. It would not be unreasonable for Amazonto ban the author entirely - "pour encouragement les autres."
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Legally it isn't incest.

There's even one of those backroom casting videos featuring a mom and daughter (presumably), and they suck a guys cock together and all that. But before that the guy noted that the two ladies couldn't teach each other sexually because it would be illegal.

As for Amazon, who knows how they would enforce their policy. Maybe you should leave a note or something explaining the law and how it technically isn't illegal.
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Make it mother and step-daughter and you're in the clear. No blood shared-no problem.
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well, if your only definition of sex is PIV, then on a technicality they aren't having sex with each other.
-- I don't get parent/child incest at all.
Neither do I, but there's enough of it in the papers occasionally (remember that German Girl?).
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I'm working on a story about a guy who ends up in a mother/daughter threesome.

I'd like to publish this to amazon who has a strict no incest policy.

Having said that, at no point during the sex does the mother/daughter "participate" with each other so to speak.

The closest they get is passing his cock back and forth during a double blow job. Aside from that he takes turns fucking one while the other simply watches or touches him or one rides his face while the other his cock. In the scene they don't so much as even touch each others tits.

There's a some language along the lines of "how does my daughters tight pussy feel & "do you like watching my mother suck your cock etc....

To me this is not incest(pretty sleazy on the part of all involved, but not incest) however Amazon is a pain with this and I'm looking for some opinions.

I can if I need to make them step mother daughter and at which point I may as well let them play with each other, but that's not the story I intend on writing.

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Have you tried that?

Besides nothing like calling attention to yourself, "So I have this idea that maay or may not violate your...."

Besides, seriously according to Amazon's guidelines they allow no "pornographic" material. Meaning if they wanted to they could literally wipe every work of erotica off their shelves and point to that rule.

Yet at the same time they have an erotica category to publish under. I'm not going to get them thinking.
Here's where you lose me in your logic on not understanding why Amazon won't publish your story. You're acknowledging Amazon's guidelines that they don't allow pornographic material, yet you're also trying to publish a story/book there that seems to violate those guidelines?

I don't do Amazon, so I am not familiar with their policies. No doubt though, there are published books being sold there that contain pornography.

My only advice is that you try to publish your story somewhere else, then try to sell it through Amazon.
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The fundamental question to me is not, is it incest? The question to my mind is, Is this proposal honest?

My own view is that the proposal is dishonest in that it attempts to con Amazon.
The appropriate response from Amazon would be to at least ban the story as contrary to the intent of their clear policy. It would not be unreasonable for Amazonto ban the author entirely - "pour encouragement les autres."
WEll, first that's why I'm asking

second let's not make Amazon out to be so moral in their policies.

They caved to an infinitesimal group of customers who were upset about real incest and banned it(rumor is they were embarrassed their top 1000 seller list was full of incest stories including those by Lit's own Selena Kitt)

However, what they do allow is step stories. I am sure some have complained of those, but fact is it is not an illegal act just a sleazy one.

You know what most step stories consist of? A couple of sentences where the kid refers to mom/dad as a "step" then the entire rest of the book its "mommy/daddy please do me!"

I have seen that these books have been complained of but amazon has no issue with them if someone wants to "assume" they are real mother/son they cannot help that.

so let's back off comments like "is it being honest to them?" I doubt they care that much.

If a book is reported that book is banned and the author warned, if it happens again the author is banned.

also amazon could save the questions if they made even an iota of an effort to screen books there wouldn't be questionable content to begin with.

When I search the kindle store I find titles like "my sister's hot pussy and mommy likes it in the ass" most are step, but many are real incest that they let through and as long as no one reports them they will stay forever and by the way? both those title shave rankings in the top 5k in the store. people are dying to buy real incest amazon just pretends they are appalled by it.

But I did ask the question to garner opinions and try to judge how it would be perceived by readers not amazon.

If the readers have no issue amazon will never get involved.

They follow their content the way Lit enforces their rules-the readers do it.
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SeaDaddy, trust me when I tell you that Amazon publishes flat-out pornography ALL the time. Like, a never-ending torrent of smut. That's why.
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Here's where you lose me in your logic on not understanding why Amazon won't publish your story. You're acknowledging Amazon's guidelines that they don't allow pornographic material, yet you're also trying to publish a story/book there that seems to violate those guidelines?

I don't do Amazon, so I am not familiar with their policies. No doubt though, there are published books being sold there that contain pornography.

My only advice is that you try to publish your story somewhere else, then try to sell it through Amazon.
Like I said amazon's "no pornographic material" policy is hard to be taken seriously when they have erotica as a category its a CYA rule that gives them the right to ban anything they choose too at any given moment.

And on their strict incest policy that is why I'm asking if people will feel this qualifies as incest. If the overwhelming response here is "yeah, it is or well its pretty close" I don't put it there.

If I really wanted to fly in their face I would not waste time asking what people thought.
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SeaDaddy, trust me when I tell you that Amazon publishes flat-out pornography ALL the time. Like, a never-ending torrent of smut. That's why.
Yup and it sells well. Men and women can now own nasty books like mine, but not have to worry about their mother in law finding the book laying around somewhere.
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I have no reason not to believe you.

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Like I said amazon's "no pornographic material" policy is hard to be taken seriously when they have erotica as a category its a CYA rule that gives them the right to ban anything they choose too at any given moment.

And on their strict incest policy that is why I'm asking if people will feel this qualifies as incest. If the overwhelming response here is "yeah, it is or well its pretty close" I don't put it there.

If I really wanted to fly in their face I would not waste time asking what people thought.
I see your point now.

I do think of it as incest. I don't think it's fair if Amazon allowed other incest stories and not yours.

I wasn't aware that Amazon has a forum for publishing stories on their site.

I'm not trying to discourage you in any way. I'm just trying to figure out where best to publish it. I have no experience there.
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