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Old 02-08-2013, 02:05 PM   #1
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How Deeply You Are Known

My Master knows me to an extent that I can't even really fathom. I have taken to writing journal entries after we do a scene, and He is never surprised, and has told me before that He already knew all of what I've said.

This is interesting to me, in part, because I discover new things as I'm writing each time. It is truly like He knows me better than I know myself. In the interest of full clarity, I must let it be known that He is the only person I've ever been with, in any sense.

Any Tops out there know your submissive this well, or any subs get the same feeling about your PYL? Any related thoughts are also appreciated.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:16 PM   #2
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I try to deny it most of the time, but every now and again the realization smacks me in the face. It is simultaneously spooky and comforting.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:15 PM   #3
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I try to deny it most of the time, but every now and again the realization smacks me in the face. It is simultaneously spooky and comforting.
Are you a sub, then?

For me, it is also both those, but I mostly find it a comfort that someone knows me better than I do. I find myself pretty confusing. Maybe I should ask Him to explain myself to me?
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:07 AM   #4
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So... He says he already knew X, after reading your blog stating X?
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:13 AM   #5
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So... He says he already knew X, after reading your blog stating X?
Stop thinking my thoughts before I do! It's like you know me better than I know myself!
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:20 AM   #6
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:52 AM   #7
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So... He says he already knew X, after reading your blog stating X?
I was thinking that just before you posted it!

speaking seriously though-- He's not telling the truth. I do NOT mean that he's lying. Your master may be deeply empathic. When you put your feelings into words, he may be putting them together with the impressions he was getting from you during the scene, and honestly feeling that-- yes he knew that, of course! But he can't actually know anything "before you do" that you don't know. Otherwise, he could tell you about it before you wrote it.

Or, he might be pulling some pimp shit on your ass. That's not unknown either.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:43 AM   #8
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there is another angle to consider; she is going through sub-frenzy. Her self epiphanies are likely fairly stereotypical, and so he says "yup, that's what happens with sub-frenzy," only less informative and more mysterious, too keep up the dom fantasy.

Better? no not necessarily. Did he have some insight before he read what she wrote? yeah probably.

What everyone here is hinting at but not saying; If he acts too much on that insight, if he genuinely thinks he already knows all there is to know, without paying attention to what's actually going on; things get dangerous.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:06 PM   #9
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I have usually found that subs are incredibly complex ,self aware and highly analytical individuals.

They are the last persons I would claim to"know" better then they know themselves.I make no such claims about anyone actually,I have too much self love to allow myself to sound like such a tool.

Arrogance stands in the way of awareness,why would anyone concede power to arrogance?

Awareness and empathy does not decrease my pleasure in an other person's pain or humiliation ,it actually increases it.

Perhaps if your master presumed less he might enjoy himself a little more.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:16 PM   #10
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There once was a girl who seemed to know me very well indeed.

She knew to seek me when I fled, about how far I could even go (as bad as my back was at the time; not far with a load), and where to find me.

She could order my food, and claimed there were times she could finish my sentences, though she was polite enough not to try.

There were still a great many things she didn't understand, my tangled feelings about honesty, drugs or scouting (not related, just examples)

She ultimately left me for someone she could better share her love of pot with.

My wife and I make no such claim, and though there are times when we are indeed strange creatures to one another, we both cherish that, make as few presumptions as possible, and I think our relationship is stronger for it.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:33 PM   #11
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Clearing Things Up...

I am MoreFreeBound's top and I want to start things off by apologizing for any misunderstandings or presumed arrogance on my part.

Stating that I know the emotions of my sub after a scene is probably a bit inappropriate. As many of you have mentioned, subs and humans in general are quite complex beings and knowing every facet of another may be difficult or even impossible.

It would most likely be more appropriate for me to refactor my "knowing" into "not being surprised" at the emotional state of my sub at the end of the scene.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:04 PM   #12
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"not being surprised" at the emotional state of my sub at the end of the scene.
Indeed, a goal to be sought after
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:32 PM   #13
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Alas! the Mustache twirling villain appears onstage AND...

oh that's not so bad. Congenial, responsive, down right relatable.

In fact the only twirly mustache i see here is on stella... hmm.

maybe this is a comedy.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:52 PM   #14
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Everybody thinks they're more complicated than they are. People rarely consider themselves predictable. You think you don't know how you'll react to something or feel about something until it's there, but another person can guess by your past behaviors. A lot of the time I know what my wife will do or say or think before she does/says/thinks so but that isn't me knowing her better than she knows herself, I just know what I'm going to do -- and therefore know how she'll react -- before she does.
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:33 AM   #15
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Everybody thinks they're more complicated than they are. People rarely consider themselves predictable. You think you don't know how you'll react to something or feel about something until it's there, but another person can guess by your past behaviors. A lot of the time I know what my wife will do or say or think before she does/says/thinks so but that isn't me knowing her better than she knows herself, I just know what I'm going to do -- and therefore know how she'll react -- before she does.


I'm mysterious and complicated, DAMMIT!


For instance ... I hate onions, but ... I love onions rings. You weren't expecting that, were you!?!?! I'm a mystery!!!! An enigma wrapped in a conundrum!!!


DAMN IT! See? I spelled that differently, yet both are acceptable.

I am fucking unpredictable!!!!!

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Old 02-11-2013, 07:17 AM   #16
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I remember one break up where my exe for some reason felt it necessary to rub salt in the wound by telling me I was predictable.

You're right; no one wants to hear that.

Her long standing crush? A complete asshole, she even admitted that, but hey, he was unpredictable, a regular force of chaos...
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I am MoreFreeBound's top and I want to start things off by apologizing for any misunderstandings or presumed arrogance on my part.

Stating that I know the emotions of my sub after a scene is probably a bit inappropriate. As many of you have mentioned, subs and humans in general are quite complex beings and knowing every facet of another may be difficult or even impossible.

It would most likely be more appropriate for me to refactor my "knowing" into "not being surprised" at the emotional state of my sub at the end of the scene.
Darn it,it felt so good to feel morally superior to you,then you came along and shattered my illusions of moral superiority.

Now have to seek out another cardboard caricature to scoff at and make myself feel so much better.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:14 PM   #18
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I am MoreFreeBound's top and I want to start things off by apologizing for any misunderstandings or presumed arrogance on my part.

Stating that I know the emotions of my sub after a scene is probably a bit inappropriate. As many of you have mentioned, subs and humans in general are quite complex beings and knowing every facet of another may be difficult or even impossible.

It would most likely be more appropriate for me to refactor my "knowing" into "not being surprised" at the emotional state of my sub at the end of the scene.

Wow. You created an account here just to clear up some ramblings on a porn board? And people tell me I would be a whackjob. I don't get people.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:20 PM   #19
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Wow. You created an account here just to clear up some ramblings on a porn board? And people tell me I would be a whackjob. I don't get people.
It's pretty understandable, actually. People care what other people think about them, it's called "Status hunger" and also "empathic response" and several other well-known, well-documented phenomena.

For the same reasons, you had to post your own response here.

As did I.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:31 PM   #20
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It's pretty understandable, actually. People care what other people think about them, it's called "Status hunger" and also "empathic response" and several other well-known, well-documented phenomena.

For the same reasons, you had to post your own response here.

As did I.
Well, I for sure didn't create my account just for this reply. And neither did you. And we both didn't have to send our toy in here to ask questions he should have asked. And I for sure never had a toy that had the urge to let the people here decipher what "the limit" is. So, no, it's not that understandable for me. Of course, I don't need to.
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Well, I for sure didn't create my account just for this reply. And neither did you. And we both didn't have to send our toy in here to ask questions he should have asked. And I for sure never had a toy that had the urge to let the people here decipher what "the limit" is. So, no, it's not that understandable for me. Of course, I don't need to.
To be honest... I am a bit frustrated at all this. I am new to this forum, and to talking to most anyone about BDSM, and my wording is off. I shouldn't be berated for this, nor my curiosity in learning more. I ask questions because I want to, and He has no problem with that. Just because I am His doesn't mean I am not still free to wonder, and learn about what I think I need to learn. If He doesn't like it, let Him handle it.

Also, if you are referring to my question in the BDSM Q&A forum, obviously I didn't want people to tell me what my limit would be. I wanted to know their experience with going to the point of needing their safeword from impact play, essentially. Not knowing how to explain that, my first time posting on any such forum, is surely understandable.

I am a toy, but I am also a person, just like anyone else. He didn't send me here, my curiosity brought me, and as a newbie I expected a more understanding attitude from those more experienced than I. Sometimes, I get understanding, like Stella trying to clarify my question on the Q&A. Other times (such as now), I feel like maybe my curiosity isn't worth the apparent hostility or belittling I receive.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:19 PM   #22
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1) no one is berating you, but we do get worried-- honestly-- for people's safety. And we have probably over-tuned our warning bell system, speaking as forum regular. But no one likes to see people get hurt nonconsensually.

2) Your guy did right in showing up here.

3) When someone is being hostile about something that no one else cares about, like your Master being polite -- they are being a troll. You can totally ignore them.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:56 PM   #23
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1) no one is berating you, but we do get worried-- honestly-- for people's safety. And we have probably over-tuned our warning bell system, speaking as forum regular. But no one likes to see people get hurt nonconsensually.

2) Your guy did right in showing up here.

3) Primalex is on his period or something.
^ Thank you, for all of the above. You deserve so many 's.

I'd tell the forum as a whole not to worry so much, but that seems kind of silly.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:59 PM   #24
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3) When someone is being hostile about something that no one else cares about, like your Master being polite -- they are being a troll. You can totally ignore them.
Awwe, come on, "hostile" is really mean. The "Oh great, he knows what you think when you write about it" crowd was much more hostile and it was directed at her. I question the presence of a person. You call him a liar. But I'm the hostile one. Great.

I want a pout smilie now.
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I remember one break up where my exe for some reason felt it necessary to rub salt in the wound by telling me I was predictable.

You're right; no one wants to hear that.

Her long standing crush? A complete asshole, she even admitted that, but hey, he was unpredictable, a regular force of chaos...
It's how it's said/who's saying it too. There are a number of people I wouldn't mind telling me that I'm predictable.
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