I wish i was a transgender.

[Hard4Dick]

Im a guy who fantasies all the time about being a girl. I love seeing porn of girls sucking cock and wishing it was me that was her.I'm envious of the female body and wish I had one. I want to be made to suck cock and swallow Cum. I get off on being treated like a girl.

[Stella_Omega]

first of all, you are transgendered, and yeah-- it is painful and depressing.

Not so many of us get to change our sex-- our body-- to match our brain. We have to use our imagination.

You certainly can be made to suck cock and swallow cum in the body you already have. "being made to suck cock" is not a thing that makes you a woman.

[StarrOftheNite]

Stella Omega is absolutely correct. If you fantasize about being a woman, and dream of having sex with men as a woman, you are probably a transgender person. She is also correct that wanting to have sex with men is not the primary criterion for transgenderism. There are plenty of gay men who have no interest whatsoever in identifying with women when they have sex with other men.

There is an enormous spectrum of male to female transgendered behavior, ranging all the way from crossdressers who are not interested sexually in men, to transsexuals who have feminizing cosmetic surgery, take hormones, and want to have sex reasssignment surgery.

Thousands of websites are available on the internet, including professional medical and psychological analyses which discusses the subject clinically, forums which range from prim and proper to unimaginably graphic, and first person autobiographical accounts of individual people's journeys.

Every girl has her own route to travel, some of us do it sitting at their computers watching porn, some engage in forum discussions on the internet, some read the clinical articles, and some of us do it flat on our backs in motel rooms with our legs spread. I've done all of those things, and more, and can tell you that there isn't any one best route.

Welcome to the Shadow World!

[SissyElla]

Plenty of us understand what you're feeling, if you ever want to talk, feel free to message me

Originally Posted by StarrOftheNite

and some of us do it flat on our backs in motel rooms with our legs spread. I've done all of those things, and more, and can tell you that there isn't any one best route.

Welcome to the Shadow World!

Can I just say I love your turn of phrase =)

[EMPRESSLAINIE]

Originally Posted by Hard4Dick

Im a guy who fantasies all the time about being a girl. I love seeing porn of girls sucking cock and wishing it was me that was her.I'm envious of the female body and wish I had one. I want to be made to suck cock and swallow Cum. I get off on being treated like a girl.

Find Dr. Bushong's treatise: What is Gender on the net and read it. It only took me 72 years to realize I had been a female person all my life. Feel free to PM me with any questions you have. Never been happier. I wouldn't wish being TS on anyone, but my own path was easier than 98% of the others. Many of us go thru years of pure hell either trying to fight it, or having to deal with the problems after coming out. One reason I live stealth.

And my becoming famous quote: Trying to stop the progression of TS is like trying to stop a runaway freight train with your bare hands. It ain't gonna happen.

In many cases the options are: Transition or Suicide. I lost a dear 19yr old friend that way.

[StarrOftheNite]

Originally Posted by EMPRESSLAINIE

And my becoming famous quote: Trying to stop the progression of TS is like trying to stop a runaway freight train with your bare hands. It ain't gonna happen.

Great simile. I would only add that way too many of us Girls find the Truth of that statement only after throwing away hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars worth of clothing, shoes and wigs in periodic purges.

And, SissyElla, thank you for the "turn of phrase" comment. I should have added that the learning I've done in motel rooms has in most instances been more enjoyable.

[HaddenIndustries]

Originally Posted by Hard4Dick

Im a guy who fantasies all the time about being a girl. I love seeing porn of girls sucking cock and wishing it was me that was her.I'm envious of the female body and wish I had one. I want to be made to suck cock and swallow Cum. I get off on being treated like a girl.

Do you fantasize about making out with a guy? Or do your fantasies focus on cock?

[Celedriel]

I find it ridiculous that you define "being a girl" as: "I want to be made to suck cock and swallow Cum. I get off on being treated like a girl."

What you are (perhaps) is a submissive gay bottom, or sissy, or something. But it's extremely sexist to define what it means to be a woman soley in terms of submissive cock sucking and degrading sexual humiliation.

If someone said, "I was born a man, I really wish to have periods, and to worry about the size of my breasts, and some day to have children some day, and find a male life partner, or maybe even a female one..." then maybe you are transgender.

Otherwise you are listing sexual hangups or fantasies of submission.

[amylin456]

Perhpas they meant ' feeling like a girl' ?
I agree with your comments

[StarrOftheNite]

Originally Posted by Celedriel

I find it ridiculous that you define "being a girl" as: "I want to be made to suck cock and swallow Cum. I get off on being treated like a girl."

What you are (perhaps) is a submissive gay bottom, or sissy, or something. But it's extremely sexist to define what it means to be a woman soley in terms of submissive cock sucking and degrading sexual humiliation.

If someone said, "I was born a man, I really wish to have periods, and to worry about the size of my breasts, and some day to have children some day, and find a male life partner, or maybe even a female one..." then maybe you are transgender.

Otherwise you are listing sexual hangups or fantasies of submission.

Hi Celedriel,

I agree with your opinion that it's sexist to define what it means to be a woman solely in terms of "submissive cock sucking and degrading sexual humiliation."

But, I also think that you displayed a profound lack of knowledge of transgender issues and politics with your description of the defining indicia.

You are confusing the term transgender, which includes everyone who has any sort of gender dysphoria, with the term transsexual, which in popular lexicon tends to be restricted to people who identify themselves as a woman trapped in a man's body and would like to transform themselves so that their external body conforms to their internal gender identification. Transgender is an umbrella term which includes everything, from the man who wears pantyhose two or three times a year and considers himself to be a "straight heterosexual," to SRS pre-op candidates who are taking hormones and undergoing regular psychological counseling.

The vast majority of people with gender dysphoria are crossdressers who identify as heterosexual, but who love and admire women. They comprise at least 85% of the transgender population. In many ways, they are more like genetic female lesbians than gay men, and I am aware of CD's who are enthusiastic posters on non-sexual, issue-oriented Lesbian chat forums.

The next largest category is crossdressers who practice cosmetic, non-surgical body modification, and prefer to date men. Many of these people have male and female personalities, and most have absoutely zero interest in having sex with men when they are not in their full female personality and physical presentation.

I am in the latter category. I shave/depiliate my body all over, have four good wigs, a trunk full of cosmetics, a closet full of dresses and shoes, a dresser full of jeans, shorts, tees and tops, sweaters, and lingerie, and a jewelry box full of earrings, bracelets, rings, et cetera, and I go to the gym 3-4 times a week to do body shaping exercises. I enjoy having sex with men, but do not think of myself as a gay man, nor do I regard myself as a sissy, my female role model would be e.g. Samantha on Sex and the City.

The original poster said specifically, "I'm a guy who fantasizes all the time about being a girl." He also said, "I'm envious of the female body and wish I had one," These are classical manifestations of male to female gender dysphoria.

He also made comments about watching pornography and wishing that he was the girl, and listed examples of sexual submission in support of his desire to be a female. Identification with the female while watching pornography is another classic example of gender dysphoria manifestation, but "being forced to suck cock and swallow cum" is not. As you pointed out, neither submissiveness nor the desire to fellate men is exclusively female behavior

People should not confuse gender identification with sexual preference or behavior. The concepts are separate.

I suggest that your comments that the original poster "might be a submissive gay bottom or a sissy or something" might in context be perceived by some people to be sexist and insulting. If you don't think there are plenty of genetic women who enjoy being submissive, you should take a good look at the personals submitted by women on Craigslist or adult dating forums.

If you want a good look at how banal, boring, and sometimes tragically funny mainstream crossdressing is, I recommend you take a look at the very vanilla forum at crossdressers.com where a substantial number of the posts deal with married CD's who are having marital issues because their spouses incorrectly think that just because they want to wear pantyhose and a dress, have their ears pierced, or shave their legs, they must be gay. Hopefully, you would learn that there's a lot more to being transgendered than wanting to have female breasts and periods.

[Stella_Omega]

Starr, "genetic women" is still a problematic wording We like to say "cis women or man" meaning someone who is happy and comfortable and identifies gender-wise the same way their body's sex presents.

I suggest that your comments that the original poster "might be a submissive gay bottom or a sissy or something" might in context be perceived by some people to be sexist and insulting. If you don't think there are plenty of genetic women who enjoy being submissive, you should take a good look at the personals submitted by women on Craigslist or adult dating forums.

Sure, lots of cis women ID as submissive, but that's not what makes them female. This person's only stated reason for thinking they want to be female is because they feel submissive. That's not much.

[stickygirl]

Some interesting discussion here but phewee -'label' overload! I can see both sides here and maybe Hard4Dick will change his feelings over time - no one should be locked into one stereotype or another.
The question I put to people not sure of where they stand, is ask them to imagine a world with no sex, no orgasms and then decide if they would still want to be a woman. There is waay more to life than sex ... but I may be a little biased there

Hard4? Come back and make some comment - no one will bite your head off ( excuse pun ) That's the beauty of forums!

[Celedriel]

Originally Posted by StarrOftheNite

Hi Celedriel,

I agree with your opinion that it's sexist to define what it means to be a woman solely in terms of "submissive cock sucking and degrading sexual humiliation."

But, I also think that you displayed a profound lack of knowledge of transgender issues and politics with your description of the defining indicia....

Hi sister. I am tranny. Believe it or not. And I am not going to get into a giant blue-fonted argument with people who got more time than sense. I am going to reiterate:

Im a guy who fantasies all the time about being a girl. I love seeing porn of girls sucking cock and wishing it was me that was her.I'm envious of the female body and wish I had one. I want to be made to suck cock and swallow Cum. I get off on being treated like a girl.

And somehow magically 3-5 TGs popup to assure the fellow he is a TG, just not somebody feeling down or sub or blue.

You know what? Being female doesn't mean being a cocksucking sex slave. I am surprised you somehow fail to grasp this point and went on at great, blue lengths to berate me instead of the fucking OP.

Get off your high horse, nobody really interested out there IRL about such ludicrously granular, gemological distinctions about nothing.

Blatant sexism, yeah, that is going to help everything.

[Stella_Omega]

Celedriel

[Aberveen]

Genders, labels, and categories aside. I sympathize with what he's saying.
"see a woman in a porn fondling a beautiful cock, flaunting her gorgeous body and think, 'oh, I'd love to be her right now."

[stickygirl]

But Aberveen, you're saying 'a woman in a porn' - that's not real life , it's just stuff for people to whack off to.

I don't change what I've said: cut Hard4 some slack. Sex can be dazzling, it's a powerful force but given time he might modify his views. So yes, here's a TG who's popped up and I say live and let live and don't be too quick to judge

and here's some flowers hand them round. A bit of compassion goes a long way

[Stella_Omega]

Now that's an interesting point-- when I watch porn or read it or see images-- IF I am turned on, it's because I identify with someone in it. And usually, that's a male. I want to be that dude.

Even if the dude isn't exactly human...

[stickygirl]

Even if the dude isn't exactly human...

Lol! followed the link and NO, it doesn't make you a cartoon character either!

[Stella_Omega]

Originally Posted by stickygirl

Even if the dude isn't exactly human...

Lol! followed the link and NO, it doesn't make you a cartoon character either!

But-- i WANT to be a cartoon character!

What's really crazy about that character is the dude no longer has a penis at all, but a vag. And a tail.

it's been interesting to see what the female slashwriters make of it.

[stickygirl]

*hugs* you win!

[lindsey4cum]

Ok we have gone over a lot of things and I too would like at least a quick comment about me.

12 or 13 years old I wished all the time I was a woman, in the shower or in my dreams I fantasized about it, but as raised christian it was wrong. I fought it over the years and purged a lot if I felt I was found out.
Over the last 3 years I have gotten my cherry poped from a very nice black man in full dressing! I find women beautiful and exotic! Having sex with them is always fun! But on the other hand I don't find guys attractive at all unless they are taller than 6'2" and if they treat me like a lady when I'm dressed I'm puddy for him. I will do anything for him. Never had a boyfriend so I don't know how that will go, but women never get me to feel sexy or needed, a guy dose. Maybe I'm on the line untill someone can complete the two sides that I need! But I do smile and I'm more happy when I dress. Oh when I dress I hate to be untucked!!! I still love my "clit" to be played with yes, oh yes, but please never untuck me!! I feel I'm not a woman if I get untucked!

How would I be reckinized?

[stickygirl]

Hi Lindsey
There is too much made of these damned badges LGBTQ.... and mostly they are 'political' descriptions for people to identify with or to rally behind if they are trying to force change in our rights in society. So the transgender description has to cover a huge range of very different people and simply wearing one badge or another won't change much huh?
Forget the name for a moment and think about you as Lindsey: are you happy? Are you able to live a life with some balance, male <-> female? Do you need help? Do you need to 'come out'? Is you life fulfilled?
Only you can answer these things. If any of those are not right then perhaps go and find some outside help and a quick Google should help you find something by way of professional advisers or support groups near you - if you can't, PM me and I'll find some links.
Remember that anything goes as regards your sexuality: you don't have to live full time fem unless that is what you want; if you find sex with men and/or women is equally good then that is fine...there are so many variations (our sexuality is just another example of how ALL people are unique). You get the picture. There are lots of LGBTQ's out there in the community but we are a very small minority: remember than cis-gender people very often won't have a clue what you're talking about! Be careful and don't assume everyone has the same views as yourself.
Hope that helps? This is just my take on things - I hope someone else will chip in too. *hugs*

PS tell us about the black guy - that sounds hot!! Maybe not here though: we've gone all serious and sober

[Stella_Omega]

PS tell us about the black guy - that sounds hot!! Maybe not here though: we've gone all serious and sober

yeah. FUCK Politics! I am SO SICK of politics! LOL

Tell us about sex for a while.

[Little Bird]

sexual repruduction is a great thing, but making it that everyone gets only half the parts is the greatest unfairness of nature.

why can't we all be more like snails?

[EMPRESSLAINIE]

Originally Posted by StarrOftheNite

Stella Omega is absolutely correct. If you fantasize about being a woman, and dream of having sex with men as a woman, you are probably a transgender person. She is also correct that wanting to have sex with men is not the primary criterion for transgenderism. There are plenty of gay men who have no interest whatsoever in identifying with women when they have sex with other men.

There is an enormous spectrum of male to female transgendered behavior, ranging all the way from crossdressers who are not interested sexually in men, to transsexuals who have feminizing cosmetic surgery, take hormones, and want to have sex reasssignment surgery.

Thousands of websites are available on the internet, including professional medical and psychological analyses which discusses the subject clinically, forums which range from prim and proper to unimaginably graphic, and first person autobiographical accounts of individual people's journeys.

Every girl has her own route to travel, some of us do it sitting at their computers watching porn, some engage in forum discussions on the internet, some read the clinical articles, and some of us do it flat on our backs in motel rooms with our legs spread. I've done all of those things, and more, and can tell you that there isn't any one best route.

Welcome to the Shadow World!

I agree with everything you said. I have been my true self for over 5 years now....very few people have knowledge that I am trans; including a lovely woman I met the other day and had a little chat time with. UNTIL my gf's son used my old name and outed me the next day when they had a date.