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Old 04-03-2014, 01:18 AM   #1
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Just experimenting with my story structures and trying to put my writings in the order I meant them to be read. Comments, Constructive criticism and technical suggestions are wellcome


(Date format followed throughout this thread is that of: Day-Month-Year)
OTHER

Student Union Consultation (March 1983)

THEORY "X" (mostly in Greek)

CHAPTER: BELLE EPOQUE 1 => SCENIC MATTERS => BRITISH COAST LINE

Lowestoft Blues (spring 1990)

CHAPTER: BELLE EPOQUE 1 => CIVIC MATTERS
Monsieur Antoine (May 1990)
Golden Age (Summer 1990)


CHAPTER: BELLE EPOQUE 2 => DECEMBER AFFAIRS

Yappie To Yappie (7/12/1995)
A Whore's Soliloquy (14/12/1995)


LEMONIA (Working Title/Mostly in English)

PART 1: SUMMER BLAST
CHAPTER: A DREAM OF LONG AGO

Is She Or Is She Not? (21/7/2008)
A Dream Of Long Ago (21/7/2008)
INTERTEMPORAL: SOMETIMES MY KELEBIA MAKES A NOISE (working title)

Not Responding (13/8/2008)

CHAPTER: OCTOBER REFLECTIONS (working title)

Adagio Cunt-Abile 1 (October 2008)

CHAPTER: TOWN ROAMING => ONE RAINY SUNDAY AFTERNOON

Watching The Documentaries (date?)

CHAPTER: BIG SOUTH WEATHER no. 1

Of Drinking Brandy (Nov/Dec. 2008)
Horny At Morn (Variations On A Celtic Air 1) / (December 2008)
The Seaman That I Never Was (8/12/2008)


LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD (Working Title/Mostly in English)
PART 1: THE MILF

INTER-TEMPORAL: BRIEF CHRONICLES

The Flavii And Their Era (wninter 2010)
Augusta Leigh (Winter 2010)
Anais Is Getting Fucked 1 (Winter 2010)
Anais Is Getting Fucked 2 (Winter 2010)

PART 2: THE BITCH

PART 3: THE PSYCHOBITCH

CHAPTER: AN EASTER TIME BALLADE

AWYSIWYG 2 (8/4/2012)
Betting (8/4/2012)
Suspicion (8/4/2012)
A Lover 2nd Best (9/4/2012)
We Made Love Again (9/4/2012)
OUT SHE COMES WITH IT-unfinished
Creperie Framboise (10/4/2012)
Like The Fanny And The Dick (10/4/2012)
Counterpoint (10/4/2012)
Travel South (10/4/2012)
OUR RADIOACTIVE FUTURE-unfinished (10/4/2012)
SEX WITH OTHERS-unfinished (10/4/2012)
UNWORKED AREA 1: MESSINIAN OBLIVION
GOOD WEDNESDAY CONFESSIONS-unfinished (11/4/2012)
Top Deck (12/4/2012)
At Mid Sea (12/4/2012)
UNWORKED AREA 2: HERAKLION
THE DRIVE-unfinished (13/4/2012)
TAVERNA "AVRA" (13/4/2012)
THE SPRING HAS COME-unfinished (13/4/2012)
OF SUMMER SEASONS (14/4/2012)
DRINK AND DOPE (15/4/2012)
MOST PEOPLE GO THIS AFTERNOON unfinished (16/4/2012)
ROOSTER DINNER unfinished (17/4/2012)
MANUELA unfinished (18/4/2012)
UNWORKED AREA 3: HERAKLION
"ACHNIA MILIA" unfinished (20/4/2012)
THROUGH THE DUSK (20/4/2012)
NOW THE DAY IS OVER (20/4/2012)
QUIET DAY unfinished (21/4/2012)
WITH DIFFERENT LOVERS unfinished (22/4/2012)
POSTLUDE (22/4/2012)


CHAPTER: ...AND THE ENSUING SPRING TIME

Fiddle Out Of Tune (23/4/2012)
Glorious Blue Day (26/4/2012)
New Summer Plan (22/5/2012)
My Brand Name Vest (22/5/2012)
A Good One / Adio (24,25/5/2012)
CHAPTER: ...AND THE ENSUING SPRING TIME => APPROPRIATIONS
Marie Celeste 3 (25/5/2012)
YOUR INTUITION (29/4/2012)
DAYDREAM SHOVING (2/5/2012)
HAVING FUN (4,5,6/5/2012)
THE OTHER SIDE OF NOWHERE (5/5/2012)
TURNING OF THE TIDE (7/5/2012)
PHONE SEX 1 (9/5/2012)
SECTARIAN LOVE (11/5/2012)
OLIVE GROVE (13/5/2012)
High Light Of My Day (14/5/2012)
SIMPLE QUESTIONS (15/5/2012)
A LONG AND PAINFUL UNDERTAKING unfinished (15/5/2012)
BOAST unfinished (16/5/2012)
FOR RICHER OR FOR POORER unfinished (16/5/2014)
I WISH YOUR NIGHT WAS OVER unfinished] (16/5/2012)
A Time That Has Been (16/5/2012)



CHAPTER: SUMMER WILD

Summer Ticket (7/6/2012)
Summer Has Come Again To Avra Beach (7/6/2012)
For Greek Lovers There's No Death (7/6/2012)
Dispeling Northern Winters(7/6/2012)
Making Love Is Another Thing (7/6/2012)
I'm A Poet, I know How (7/6/2012)
Watch 1 (7/6/2012)
Watch 2 (7/6/2012)
One Night Stand (7/6/2012)
First Summer Breeze (7/6/2012)
The Thin Line Between Love And Hate (7/6/2012)
About Intuition (12/6/2012)
Kamaki Report (12/6/2012)
Greek Kamaki Out Of Work (13/6/2012)
Traveling With Minoan Lines (24/6/2012)
A Few Caring Thoughts (25/6/2012)
A Business Trip (25/6/2012)
Exit With A Bow (28/6/2012)
Bugle Of Loneliness #? (1/7/2012)

CHAPTER: REMEMBERING A WEEK FROM HELL

SUB-CHAPTER: WEEK FROM HELL => GENERAL APPROPRIATIONS
I MUST BE CAREFUL (27/8/2012)


CHAPTER: LEFT OVERS

In A Trance (28/9/2012)
The Bright Full Moon Of September (29/9/2012)

INTER-TEMPORAL: ANY REBETIKO WILL DO

CHAPTER: BIG SOUTH WEATHER no. 3

Nostalgia (14/2/2013)
The Stork (17/2/2013)
Our True Colours (18/2/2013)
STAFF OF DREAMS unfinished (18/2/2013)
Vain Hope (19/2/2013)
No One Gets Near (19/2/2013)
A LINE A DAY unfinished (20-23/2/2013)
Discovering Yourself Anew (24/2/2013)
FLASH-BACK TO WEEK FROM HELL unfinished (24/2/2013)
No Nephew (24/2/2013)
LIKE MY FATHER, ZEUS (24/2/2013) (in greek)
ANOTHER AVATAR (24/2/2013) (maybe unfinished)
OUR TIME IS NOT WHAT IT HAS BEEN (25/2/2013)
OUR SEX LIFE PHOTOS (25/2/2013) (nearly finished)
SENDING YOU MY C.V.(26/2/2013) (nearly finished)
Melody Is The Essence (27/2//2013)
MELODY IS THE ESSENCE-SEQUEL (27/2/2013) unfinished
A Little Theory Of Time 1 (27/2/2013)
A Little Theory Of Time 2 (28/2/2013)
A Little Theory Of Time 3 (28/2/2013)
RE-WRITING NOTE 1 (28/2/2013) unfinished
Legal Like Letter (28/2/2013)
Shot In The Dark (2/3/2013)
SAFELY FROM THE LAND (3/3/2013) unfinished
Romancing In The South (3/3/2013)
YOU POUR THING! (3/3/2013)
A HOPEFUL RUMOR 1 (3/3/2013) unfinished
COMPLETELY OURSELVES SOMEDAY (?) (3/3/2014) unfinished
In Kind (3/3/2013)
YOU HAVE THE NERVE (3/3/2013)
Ostria Sirocco (3/3/2013)
THE SAME MELANCHOLIC PROMENADE (3/3/2013)
HAWORTH (3/3/2013)
GHOSTS 1 (4/3/2013)
GHOSTS 2 (4/3/2013)
GHOSTS 3 (4/3/2013)
GHOSTS 4 (4/3/2013)
Sex, Drugs And Rock 'N' Roll (4/3/2013)
Each Other's Salt (10/3/2013)
"Napoleon" In Early March (11/3/2013)
Nikos' Father (11/3/2013)
It's Friday Night For All Of Us (15/3/2013)
Orthodoxy Of Love (16/3/2013)
Reiner (16/3/2013)
Our Own Remains Of A Day (18/3/2014)
The Spring Equinox Ballade (21/3/2013)
Not Time Yet (24/3/2013)
Past Stories (25/3/2013)
Ice To The Tropics (3/4/2013)
Those Weirdoes Of Frankfurt (3/4/2013)
Scary (4/4/2013)



CHAPTER: AND SO, YOU ALL GO...
Never The Same Mistakes (27/4/2013)
INTER-TEMPORAL: THE INTERNATIONAL NETWORK OF FREUD CRITICS
Maria Bo (8/5/2013)
The Shrink From Hell (8/5/2013)

Meeting Christina (24/5/2013)
Neither Love Nor Hate (26/5/2013)
Yellow Easter Flower (9/6/2013)
The Tale Of Life (13/6/2013)
Soliloquy 2 (16/6/2013)
I Called Eleni (19/6/2013)
Evi One Sunday, Iffi TheNext (19/6/2013)
Let Summer Begin (19/6/2013)
The Thing (19/6/2013)
Adieux, My Loves (19/6/2013)
Paper Moon-Parody 2 (19/6/2013)
Bugle Still Resounding (1/7/2013)


CHAPTER: UNHOLY ECHO DA LONTANO

All Drunk 1-Avoiding An Alco Test (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 2-Zodiac Signs (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 3-Orion (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 4-Obvious Wish (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 5-Different Moods (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 6-My Mission (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 7-Calling Me By Name (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 8-Late O' Clock (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 9-Yellow Lights (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 10-"Blonde June" (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 11-Inocent Romance (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 12-New Bonds (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 13-Air On The G String (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 14-Latched (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 15-What A Night! (14/7/2013)
All Drunk 16-All Drunk (14/7/2013)
Koutsounari Is Not Ablaze Anymore (21/7/2013)
We're Not Human Anymore (26/7/2013)
Just Fuck Off (26/7/2013)
Unholy Echo Da Lontano 1 (26/7/2013)
Let The Big Hunter Decide (26/7/2013)
INTER-TEMPORAL: ANY REBETIKO WILL DO
First Venetian Summer (6/8/2013)

Bimbo (12/8/2013)
What's To Be Done With An Old Fuck-Review 1 (30/8/3013)
What's To Be Done With An Old Fuck-Review 2 (30/8/3013)

CHAPTER: THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

I Hope I Understood You (30/8/2013)
Encore (2/9/2013)
You Cannot Fuck About (8/9/2013)
Yia Mas, Cheers Und Prost! (9/9/2013)
A Long Song I will Not Write(3/10/2013)


CHAPTER: FOR OTHER REASONS (working title)
INTER-TEMPORAL: BRIEF CHRONICLES
Hurricane (27/10/2013)

CHAPTER: LIKE YESTER YEAR

Der Dressierte Mann (5/12/2013)
Fuck You (14/1/2014)
Vertically (14/1/2014)
SUB-CHAPTER: LIKE YESTER YEAR => APPROPRIATIONS => ODES TO SISTER SOULS
Ode To Eleanor (1995-22/12/2013)
SUB-CHAPTER: LIKE YESTER YEAR => APPROPRIATIONS => NOT POSTED
Life Styles (11/1/1997)
SUB-CHAPTER: LIKE YESTER YEAR => APPROPRIATIONS => PIRAEUS CHRONICLE
A Different Truth (13/1/2014)


CHAPTER: TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT

Old Craft Of Ours (14/1/2014)
Two Doors Away (16/1/2014)
Asterix In A Fix / Room 43 (16/1/2014)
SUB-CHAPTER: TO HAVE AND HAVE NOTE => APPROPRIATIONS => REMEMBERING A WEEK FROM HELL
Real Time Problem (16/1/2014)
Why Make A Fuss? (19/1/2014)
Coming Thoughts (20/1/2014)
Winter Is Not Over Yet (21/1/2014)
The Same Blue Trap (21/1/2014)
White Sea Foam (23/1/2014)
To Have And Have Not 1 (24/1/2014)
Unbearable Time Again (26/1/2014)
To Have And Have Not 2 (26/1/2014)
Fuck Me Dead (Room 26, 27, 28) / (28/1/2014)
Pain Of Love (2/2/2014)
Half-Forgotten (8/2/2014)
We Touch (11/2/2014)
The Art Of Connoisseur (11/2/2014)
I Don't Know Why (11/2/2014)
Essence Of This Blue (11/2/2014)
What Shall We Talk About (11/2/2014)
Your Turn To Deal (11/2/2014)
Another Joint (15/2/2014)
To have And Have Not 3 (12,15/2/2014)
Who The Fuck? (15/2/2014)
SUB-CHAPTER: TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT => APPROPRIATIONS => MARIA PIA
Feel This Air? (17/12/1997)
To Have And Have Not 4 (15/2/2014)
More Desperate Than Drunk (15/2/2014)
Demand And Supply (18/2/2014)
Oblivion No Solution (18/2/2014)
Daily Routine (18/2/2014)
Protocol And Etiquette (18/2/2014)
Sms From Southall (18/2/2014)
Self Portrait (23/2/2014)
Part Of The Deal (1/3/2014)
Koulouma 2014 3/3/2014)
Democratic Centralism (6/3/2014)
Ode To Any Virus Monger (7/3/2014)
SUB-CHAPTER: TO HAVE AND HAVE NOTE => APPROPRIATIONS => CIVIC MATTERS
Like An Oxford Spire (14/2/1996)
AFTERTHOUGHTS: TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT
A Bach Gavotte (25/4/2014)


CHAPTER: HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILESS

Delay (13/3/2014)
A Second Call (13/3/2014)
Week End Currents (13/2/2014)
To "The Brethren" (21/3/2014)
Music Minimalism 1 (24/3/2014)
So Much Fuck (4/4/2014)
Saharan Visibility (6/4/2014)
The Pleasure Was All Mine (10/4/2014)
Without Much Ado (10/4/2014)
The Milf, The Bitch, The Psychobitch (10/4/2014)
Canella (12/4/2014)
INTER-TEMPORAL: THE INTERNATIONAL NETWORK OF FREUD CRITICS
Nasal Reflex Neurosis (15/4/2014)
By The By (21/4/2014)
Sinking Deep (21/4/2014)
Chaos (29/4/2014)
Cesaria (5/5/2014)
Gods Don't Die (10/5/2014)
SIGNS OF SUMMER (20/5/2014) unfinished

CHAPTER: THROUGH NEED AND DECENCY(working title)

THE ANGELS OF MY LIFE (24/5/2014) unfinished
Empty Beaches (24/5/2014)
I've Had Enough (25/5/2014)
In Between Two Calls (26/5/2013)
"Alatsi vs "Avra Palm" (30/5/2014)
Rainy Summer Start (3/6/2014)
Ten Cocaine Dealers (4/6/2014)
Why Can You Not See Poetry (5/6/2014)
Fusion Breeding Confusion (9/6/2014)
Clean Your Act (11/6/2014)
Separating The Elements (15/6/2014)
Bye Bye Big Ship (20/6/2014)
Summer Solstice (21/6/2014)
Our Best (1/7/2014)
Boreas Tramontana (4/7/2014)

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Old 04-11-2014, 08:32 AM   #2
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AMEND 1

Items:
Delay (13/3/2014)
A Second Call (13/3/2014)
Week End Currents (13/2/2014)
To "The Brethren" (21/3/2014)

have been transferred from chapter "TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT" into next chapter "HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILESS"
Obviously they need re-submission but that's too much work and too tedious. Literotica submissions page is just such an unfit and restricting place to move submitted items about. And its preoccupation with "unity of look" sounds silly to me.
Any suggestions?

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Old 04-13-2014, 04:58 PM   #3
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Yeah, I've been thinking about this.

Maybe you can create a _SUMMARY poem (the underline is to force it to be listed first)? You'd be able to use formatting and links to present your poems in a similar fashion as you've done above. Also, you'd only have to modify one poem, if you ever need to make changes/corrections.

It would only help guide those who came upon your submissions page, though. Readers coming from the New Poems page would probably miss it.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:02 PM   #4
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Actually, I doubt they'd let you publish a poem called summary, with a summary. So perhaps a "How-to", called "How to read my poems"?
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:42 AM   #5
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Thanks for considering the problem, Tsotha, and for suggesting ideas.
I am still thinking about what's the best way.
For my particular demands the best way would be those tags that we talked about before.
And actually a tag on any poem could be an active link to a collection of poems forming a cycle or a "chapter", as the case may be.
That could be done easily by Literotica submissions page editors, unless of course they are other reasons why it could not. But I cannot think of such reasons.
No news from the "tags" issue we raised, eh?
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:55 PM   #6
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Thanks for considering the problem, Tsotha, and for suggesting ideas.
I am still thinking about what's the best way.
For my particular demands the best way would be those tags that we talked about before.
And actually a tag on any poem could be an active link to a collection of poems forming a cycle or a "chapter", as the case may be.
That could be done easily by Literotica submissions page editors, unless of course they are other reasons why it could not. But I cannot think of such reasons.
No news from the "tags" issue we raised, eh?
No news. Laurel has probably forgotten about it.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:02 PM   #7
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Hey, Pelegrino. I sent Laurel a PM about the poetry tags. She doesn't know why it isn't available, so she has opened a support ticket to have it looked into. However, she has also informed me that the support queue is very long (there are requests she made months ago that still haven't come through), so there is no ETA on it.
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Old 04-18-2014, 01:34 PM   #8
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It was worth trying, Tsotha, and thanks for it.
Well, we can wait, I suppose, since we cannot do anything else on that score.
I, on my part, and with the help of an IT friend have started building up a music-poetry page, on a free Joomla application and I carry on my structuring there.
I'm loading stuff like mad whenever I have access to the net, which is not always
For this thread I'll carry on the same way, but i thought that every time I amend my original post containing the information of the structure and the links to my poems, to copy-paste the code to a new post and amend the original post as "amended" and link it to the latest post, so I can keep this thread current and stop it disappearing.
It is not an ideal solution, but what do you think of it?
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Old 04-18-2014, 01:55 PM   #9
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Well, I tried it but is confusing, I thought that every post had a unique URL, but no, every thread has. I made a worse mess than I thought

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Old 04-18-2014, 06:10 PM   #10
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For this thread I'll carry on the same way, but i thought that every time I amend my original post containing the information of the structure and the links to my poems, to copy-paste the code to a new post and amend the original post as "amended" and link it to the latest post, so I can keep this thread current and stop it disappearing.
It is not an ideal solution, but what do you think of it?
It should work. Or you could do the opposite — amend the original post and post a new message to announce that you've modified it, bumping it to the top.

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Well, I tried it but is confusing, I thought that every post had a unique URL, but no, every thread has. I made a worse mess than I thought
Perhaps I don't understand your problem, but if you want to link to a specific post in the forum (say, to link from the original post to the latest post in a thread), it IS possible. Notice that there is a number on the top right corner of this post (#10). It provides a link to this post. So, if you use this URL:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost...4&postcount=10

You can link to this post.
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:49 PM   #11
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Thanks, Tsotha, I think both ways you suggested are very helpful.
I think I will follow the first as the simplest.
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:54 PM   #12
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Newest additions into HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILESS:
The Milf, The Bitch, The Psychobitch
Canella
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:28 PM   #13
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Newest additions into AN EASTER TIME BALLADE
Top Deck
At Mid Sea
Creperie Framboise


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By The By
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:08 PM   #14
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NEWEST ADDITIONS TO "TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT"

A Bach Gavotte

NEWEST ADDITIONS TO "HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILESS"

The Pleasure Was All Mine
Without Much Ado
Chaos

NEWEST ADDITIONS TO "…AND THE ENSUING SPRING TIME"

A Time That Has Been

Pending from "BRIEF CHRONICLES" : HURRICANE
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:58 PM   #15
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LATEST ADDITIONS

To: BIG SOUTH WEATHER no.3

It's Friday Night For All Of Us
Orhodoxy Of Love
Reiner

To: SUMMER WILD

A Few Caring Thoughts

To: BRIEF CHRONICLES

Hurricane

To: HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILESS

Cesaria
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LATEST ADDITIONS

To: BIG SOUTH WEATHER no.3
Each Other's Salt
Our Own Remains Of A Day
In Kind
Past Stories
SCARY pending

to: HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILES
Sinking Deep
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:44 AM   #17
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LEMONIA=> SUMMER BLAST=>> A DREAM OF LONG AGO

Is She Or Is She Not?
A Dream Of Long Ago

Latest additions to:
LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD=>AND SO YOU ALL GO...
Never The Same Mistakes

LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD=>SUMMER WILD
A Business Trip
Exit With A Bow


LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD=>BIG SOUTH WEATHER no.3
Scary
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Yellow Easter Flower
Bugle Still Resounding

LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD => THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

A Long Song I will Not Write

LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD => HOMELESS, JOBLESS, PENNILESS

Gods Don't Die

LEMONIA (F)LEAP EDELTRAUD => THROUGH NEED AND DECENCY

Empty Beaches
In Between Two Calls
I've Had Enough
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:23 AM   #19
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Evi One Sunday, Iffi TheNext
Let Summer Begin
The Thing
Adieux, My Loves
Bugle Still Resounding

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Old 06-08-2014, 12:58 PM   #20
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Since you mentioned this thread in your reply I thought I'd move my comments here.

First, I still feel that grapes was the quick easy choice. Crepe, in my mind would work better. As it implies time and care spent to feed the speaker and has a more sensual mouth feel both as a food and a word.

And, no I'm afraid I still don't get it. You can't clean a crime. A crime scene yes, but not a crime. Atone the crimes maybe or clean the grime. A clean crime is one you get away with unnoticed or at least unscathed.

What the piece sounds like to me is someone railing at someone else, and in that context the refrain just doesn't make sense to me.

You jump from the speaker to the other, are you trying to imply that the other coming to terms with the hellish week will allow the speaker to do so as well? Is the speaker waiting for the other to atone? It's just not clear. And "Unless" what? It's not made clear what the unless refers to and therefore it doesn't make sense.

I like the thought in the stanzas, the hellish experience has colored everything that followed it no matter how sweet. It's the refrain that throws it off.
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And, no I'm afraid I still don't get it. You can't clean a crime. A crime scene yes, but not a crime. Atone the crimes maybe or clean the grime. A clean crime is one you get away with unnoticed or at least unscathed.
That would be considered the same meaning, esp. if the concept of purgatory is included.
Another possible meaning is that of a cleaner (the second for the perp) who removes evidence or the body.
Clean " goes without a hitch" although his use of the pronoun would seem to exclude it.
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That would be considered the same meaning, esp. if the concept of purgatory is included.
Another possible meaning is that of a cleaner (the second for the perp) who removes evidence or the body.
Clean " goes without a hitch" although his use of the pronoun would seem to exclude it.
Lol, ok, you just reminded me of Pulp Fiction, I concede. Pulp Fiction made little overall sense but was still a good movie. Sometimes you just gotta roll with it when it looks/sounds good.
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Lol, ok, you just reminded me of Pulp Fiction, I concede. Pulp Fiction made little overall sense but was still a good movie. Sometimes you just gotta roll with it when it looks/sounds good.
This is more of a case of wondering of why the term was such a non reaction to me, your point was well taken and there is a comment you made to GM, that impressed me.

Pulp Fiction makes sense to me, the key is Walken's ring speech.

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