Agonophilia

[KatieTay]

agon = struggle

Probably because my life has been combative in many ways, at many levels, I find that my strongest turn-on is not so much "muscular women", as "muscular women engaging in an intense physical contest".

The muscles are even sometimes optional - I could just as well fantasize about engaging in some kind of struggle with another average-looking woman, both of us looking somewhat fit but not exceptionally muscled.

Or, it would be great to also do it with a man, someone strong. Perhaps he's respectful, and our strength contests are a meeting of equals. Or, perhaps he's cocky and arrogant, and I'm challenging him to take hi down a peg. In such a case, it's actually a turn-on for me to lose, to feel helplessly mastered. Of course, this is just fantasy.

In no case do I want a weakling male opponent (or a female one, come to that) who will simply roll over and submit... I've found I really do like the struggle element.

I wonder if anyone else has any similar feelings or kinks. My stories express some of them.

[TheLM]

Originally Posted by KatieTay

agon = struggle

Probably because my life has been combative in many ways, at many levels, I find that my strongest turn-on is not so much "muscular women", as "muscular women engaging in an intense physical contest".

The muscles are even sometimes optional - I could just as well fantasize about engaging in some kind of struggle with another average-looking woman, both of us looking somewhat fit but not exceptionally muscled.

Or, it would be great to also do it with a man, someone strong. Perhaps he's respectful, and our strength contests are a meeting of equals. Or, perhaps he's cocky and arrogant, and I'm challenging him to take hi down a peg. In such a case, it's actually a turn-on for me to lose, to feel helplessly mastered. Of course, this is just fantasy.

In no case do I want a weakling male opponent (or a female one, come to that) who will simply roll over and submit... I've found I really do like the struggle element.

I wonder if anyone else has any similar feelings or kinks. My stories express some of them.

I resonate this to a degree, but I also like a psychological struggle.

Matching wit with someone with the very real possibility that one wrong move could result in the complete loss of your chance with a woman is thrilling to me; a girl has to be very sharp for an exchange like that.

[curl4ever]

Originally Posted by KatieTay

agon = struggle

Probably because my life has been combative in many ways, at many levels, I find that my strongest turn-on is not so much "muscular women", as "muscular women engaging in an intense physical contest".

...

I wonder if anyone else has any similar feelings or kinks. My stories express some of them.

I'm a big fan of this dynamic.

(Some favorites of mine are G.I.Jane, Sigorney Weaver in the Alien movies, and there's a great scene in the Return of the Mummy series Scorpion King movie.)

- curl

[wannabebitchboi]

This makes me think back on you ger days where I was a wrestler. I was a smaller guy wrestling 98lbs my freshman year and 103 after that. Because of my size a number of my female friends like to challenge me to matches. Being a typical male I never turned down a little female body contact (and being too shy to engage otherwise), but never had a real female challenge. Id be curious to see what a real fight with a woman would, I can't imagine losing, although I'm sure some of the serious female fighters coud kick my ass.

[KatieTay]

The battle scene in that Scorpion King movie, with that Anak su-Namun (not sure about the spelling) was just fantastic. It feeds also into a very powerful related fetish of mine. Namely:

A powerful woman, respected by all, is challenged to ritual combat by a despised evil woman. She enters the match with supreme confidence, but somehow the evil woman has sapped her counterpart's strength, or increased her own, making the fight more even and desperate.

In the end, if the "good" one loses, I find it to be fantastically stimulating.

[KatieTay]

Originally Posted by wannabebitchboi

This makes me think back on you ger days where I was a wrestler. I was a smaller guy wrestling 98lbs my freshman year and 103 after that. Because of my size a number of my female friends like to challenge me to matches. Being a typical male I never turned down a little female body contact (and being too shy to engage otherwise), but never had a real female challenge. Id be curious to see what a real fight with a woman would, I can't imagine losing, although I'm sure some of the serious female fighters coud kick my ass.

It all depends on how strong and how well-trained your opponent would be. Definitely, I have to admit, most average guys could defeat most average women with little problem. With skill levels being equal, men are just plain stronger than us, unfortunately. We're just built that way.

But when I think of mixed wrestling fantasies, I make my female character struggle hard, even against overwhelming odds or stacked odds, because that is the core of my fetish.

[Stella_Omega]

Katie, that's one reason why I like bondage, because I like watching-- or doing it myself-- the struggle against the ropes. Which isn't exactly what you're talking about, of course..

[KatieTay]

Bondage has its own appeal. But you're right, I probably feel differently about that than you might. I'd be focussing on the flexed musculature as I - or the victim - struggle against the ropes. I'd also prefer body to body contact, but not by that much. Ropes, chains, force-fields, it all works for me. But again, the dimension of enjoyment is probably different.

[desertslave]

I enjoy the feeling/sense of being overpowered, physically and mentally, very much.

[Stella_Omega]

Originally Posted by KatieTay

Bondage has its own appeal. But you're right, I probably feel differently about that than you might. I'd be focussing on the flexed musculature as I - or the victim - struggle against the ropes. I'd also prefer body to body contact, but not by that much. Ropes, chains, force-fields, it all works for me. But again, the dimension of enjoyment is probably different.

well, yeah-- that's what I meant. Sorry, I didn't make that more clear.

[KatieTay]

Nono, it was clear, I understood.

[KatieTay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GOF3cH_BXo

This kind of stuff is what gets me excited.

[Arlan]

I'm with you on this one, KatieTay. Wrestling for control of a jar of simulated bacon bits (I wanted to put them in cookies, and he thought it was a bad idea) with my boyfriend a while back was kind of a turn on. If only we were better housekeepers and there weren't so many things all over the place to potentially knock over, step on, and smash...

[Alanija]

Originally Posted by TheLM

I resonate this to a degree, but I also like a psychological struggle.

Matching wit with someone with the very real possibility that one wrong move could result in the complete loss of your chance with a woman is thrilling to me; a girl has to be very sharp for an exchange like that.

A little off topic, but I'm with you on this one, TheLM. I had never thought to think of it as a sexual thing, but I suppose it really is, at least in a way. I'm exhilarated whenever flirting is mixed with this battle of wits. Maybe it's because so few actually are up for it or its because only then do I really feel challenged, but I do truly love this feeling of being up on my toes. That'll definitely make a guy much harder to forget

And of course, I just patted myself on the back

[TheLM]

Originally Posted by Alanija

A little off topic, but I'm with you on this one, TheLM. I had never thought to think of it as a sexual thing, but I suppose it really is, at least in a way. I'm exhilarated whenever flirting is mixed with this battle of wits. Maybe it's because so few actually are up for it or its because only then do I really feel challenged, but I do truly love this feeling of being up on my toes. That'll definitely make a guy much harder to forget

And of course, I just patted myself on the back

But it's true; I feel like women make things a little too easy for men in this regard.

If a man is attractive and has money, his words can be as callous as pompous as he wishes and no-one will treat him as a lesser man. The women still flock.

I find the sexuality of a verbal exchange is magnified when there is some risk and mystery. Maybe both individuals are flirting and hope to be flirted with back, but there is some silent agreement that each party must be intellectually worthy...

[Alanija]

Originally Posted by TheLM

But it's true; I feel like women make things a little too easy for men in this regard.

If a man is attractive and has money, his words can be as callous as pompous as he wishes and no-one will treat him as a lesser man. The women still flock.

I find the sexuality of a verbal exchange is magnified when there is some risk and mystery. Maybe both individuals are flirting and hope to be flirted with back, but there is some silent agreement that each party must be intellectually worthy...

If a man is attractive and has money, he isn't automatically entitled to be stuck up and all-important. But, there are always different kinds of people and some don't care. Others do, so it is all a matter of choice.

I would go as far as to say that it is a test of the said worthiness. It is one thing to talk of intellectual matters in a dry, lecturing way. It is a completely different thing to add successful social interaction and the other person to the core of it. I suppose most people have never thought about it so they have no clue how much you can learn about the person in a very little time that way

[TheLM]

Originally Posted by Alanija

If a man is attractive and has money, he isn't automatically entitled to be stuck up and all-important. But, there are always different kinds of people and some don't care. Others do, so it is all a matter of choice.

I would go as far as to say that it is a test of the said worthiness. It is one thing to talk of intellectual matters in a dry, lecturing way. It is a completely different thing to add successful social interaction and the other person to the core of it. I suppose most people have never thought about it so they have no clue how much you can learn about the person in a very little time that way

It's true!

Sometimes a little inquisition helps as well... Some men (and women!) have telling quirks.

[Dvus_D]

I'd love to have some kind of physical struggle as foreplay. Having my muscles work that hard is deeply satisfying, and I can see how it would easily turn to sexual arousal.

[Alanija]

Originally Posted by Dvus_D

I'd love to have some kind of physical struggle as foreplay. Having my muscles work that hard is deeply satisfying, and I can see how it would easily turn to sexual arousal.

Oh definitely! I adore 'play fights', although it's only really good when the guy enjoys the physical struggle as much as I do, not rushing to show he can pin me down for good. Being a slender woman I'm not the strongest one, although I am a slippery one (no pun intended lol), but if it's over too quickly, I'll be disappointed. Somehow it really gets my adrenaline kicking, satisfies my kink for struggling, lets me involve my brain to figure out what to do or how to evade (it's not just a tangle of limbs, really!) and has a lot of delicious body contact, having the guy overpower me in the end. Absolutely amazing!! If only more guys were into it...

[MatveiPavlovitch]

You can have a really great sexual experience, if you can combine some strugle to it. It is, however, not often that emotions and feelings match and give an oportunity to this kind of love. If you make pre-arrangenments for the act it becomes easily an artificial act.

It is a very nice experience when your lady decides to fuck you, and without words she forces you on your back and fucks you in a cowgirl position, restricting your arms, sometimes biting you. We both have a screaming orgasm just in few minutes. It is the best way to have quick sex.

[MatthewVett]

I love a women who can fence: that's my favorite physical activity to watch. I love when the Olympics roll around...

[Ropebunny]

I didn't know there was a paraphilia that covered this!

So hi, I'm Ropebunny and I'm a agonophiliac.

After doing some introspection recently I've come to the conclusion that it's this idea of struggle that really gets me going, both sexually and non-sexually. I need to 'fight' for something to make it feel worthwhile. I'm even seriously considering changing the path of my studies to put me in a profession where I will get to experience this (thinking of law, as I am a passionate and sucessful debater).

Sexually speaking, I need some form of struggle to get off. It can mental or physical, but my preference is for both at the same time, with some sprinkles of humilitation. I don't even need to feel I'm struggling against someone; as I kid I got immense satisaction from rolling myself up in rugs, covering myself with piles of clothes that I pretended were avalanches and crawling into sleeping bags the wrong way up, just to tossle and turn and fight against something. I count myself really lucky to be with someone that not only gets this but also enjoys fighting with me.

I think this paraphilia very closely ties to alternating feelings of powerfullness/powerlessness. I know that for myself, I enjoy feeling both of these and I think it's the alternation between the two in the one setting that sets me off like a rocket.

Thanks KatieTay for starting this thread! I hope you'll see some more responses, coz I'd be very interested in seeing some more opinions about this.

[KatieTay]

Yay for power play!

I really, REALLY get that struggle leads directly to arousal

We're not alone!

[KatieTay]

Have posted up another story, awaiting approval

this one is REALLY about struggle and the delicious feeling of either overcoming OR being overcome...

it's also set in the Fallout 2 universe on a random whim. would anyone care to guess what i've done exactly?

[agon]

There are quite a few people who are into this, both FF and/or Mixed; and there is a market for thousands of these types of videos being filmed. Heck, there are even series of comics, cartoons, PC/console games, and dedicated websites (since the early 1990's) created both in the West and more so from Japan.

The semi-pro level Japanese fan artbooks numbers in the hundreds, and there has been at least two to three hundred fans who are dedicated enough to spend their energy, resources, and time to create tens to hundreds of thousands of semi-pro to pro level artworks or fanfics; unfortunately they are in Japanese.

Even today, there are still about ten Japanese artists who updates weekly or monthly, and hundreds who updates annually. Sadly old fan artists or fan writers do stop for whatever reasons, but new talents always appear.

Personally has been a FF fan since the tenderly twisted age of seven. But due to more personal twisted religious reasons, only collects Japanese non-photorealistic stuff.

As for real-life experiences, had trained, played, sparred, or fought quite a few guys in full contact TMAs, rugby, and school fights; not gay but had a few hard-ons. (Had they known, some of them would probably commit murder, and some probably still would.) Had only sparred with a girl once where thankfully she also danced around till the clock stopped. Think of what you will, not sick enough to attack females, but sick enough to really enjoy watching skilled females attacking consenting skilled females.

Personally, pain also feel different when inflicted by female. Pain is the same depending on the amount of force and method, but there is also some sort of excitement.

Anyway, apologies for the long winded rant and thanks for the fanfics. There is a pro shojo manga author by the name of Akiko Monden who has created two series of manga concerning FF that feels emotionally quite similar to your story of the journey against Ryoko. One is called "Ryuu no Kesshou".