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I did a search here and it won't include "grey" so I'll just ask.

Apparently this book is causing quite a stir as it has BDSM in it. It's also the hottest thing for Manhattan "socialites" lately. It was on the freaking 'Today' show this morning.
Have you read it?
Is it worth the read?
Is the whole stir good or bad for BDSM?

Actually the subject sounds like many BDSM stories I've read, (including one of my favorites from Lit "The Dom of my Dreams" which was disappearing as I read it here because a publisher had bought it *sigh*) wealthy Dom awakens young, innocent woman...


Also I apologize to the BDSM book club, if this was in there, again the search was unhelpful.
 
without having read the book, because Romances tend to make me break out in hives-- I found the amazon reviews enlightening.

Some people say: "I don't know nothing about BDSM but this was hot!" And some people say; "If you don't know nothing about BDSM, you might find the BDSM scenes hot."

This was a good review, imo; Fifty shades of entertaining! (four stars)
 
Um. That Today show clip was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

Two words: Boca Raton.

And, god, Dr. Drew is such a dork.
 
intothewoods said:
Um. That Today show clip was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

Two words: Boca Raton.

And, god, Dr. Drew is such a dork.
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I agree.

At firs I was like, oh a BDSM link, cool. But then I was like, gaaaarrrrrr, girl talk!!!!
 
intothewoods said:
Um. That Today show clip was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

Two words: Boca Raton.

And, god, Dr. Drew is such a dork.
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OK, yes, girl talk and vanilla and all that, however this is the reason for my third question. Does this type of main stream exposure hurt or help the kink community.
For example, some of us, um older folk, remember "Are you there God, it's me Margaret" as a racy book, when we were in grade school. Lordy, give that to girls these days and they'll laugh in your face. For me it was, the Sleeping Beauty Chronicles, in 9th grade that really hit home. Oh yes, I'm sure those made a lasting imprint on me.

I suppose this "new" book got me thinking, what now? what next?... although I have a box of 60's and 70's paperbacks I got at a garage sale as a joke, I've been meaning to sell that are, shockingly!!!! more dirty than anything you'll find on Lit. I actually hid them from myself as they were too much. Gotta get rid of that box ... But I digress ... Is BDSM the new vanilla sex?
Awww hell I'm drunk, so I may not be able to explain my question ... Sigh
 
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We live in a world where the mainstream is so desperate to avoid boredom, that it devours anything that smacks of originality and/or edginess.

People react in one of two ways; they either reject the latest offering as offensive, or they ingest it as the latest flavour of the month. In either case a few months from now there will be someone even more shocking that will be on the air.

And while it is intended to generate controversy and shock, I believe that this is ultimately a good thing because the more information that gets out, the better off people will be.

W~
 
Loverskitten said:
I did a search here and it won't include "grey" so I'll just ask.

Apparently this book is causing quite a stir as it has BDSM in it. It's also the hottest thing for Manhattan "socialites" lately. It was on the freaking 'Today' show this morning.
Have you read it?
Is it worth the read?
Is the whole stir good or bad for BDSM?

Actually the subject sounds like many BDSM stories I've read, (including one of my favorites from Lit "The Dom of my Dreams" which was disappearing as I read it here because a publisher had bought it *sigh*) wealthy Dom awakens young, innocent woman...


Also I apologize to the BDSM book club, if this was in there, again the search was unhelpful.
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Glad you posted - I saw The Today Show this morning too and was just about to post about it. Those women from the Boca Raton book club looked pleasantly jostled. LOL.
 
Last I saw it was an e-book. That's a hard limit for me. :devil:

FF
 
Loverskitten said:
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For example, some of us, um older folk, remember "Are you there God, it's me Margaret" as a racy book, when we were in grade school. Lordy, give that to girls these days and they'll laugh in your face. For me it was, the Sleeping Beauty Chronicles, in 9th grade that really hit home. Oh yes, I'm sure those made a lasting imprint on me.

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Umm... "Are You There, God" - 1970. I was four years out of high school and already out of the Navy.

"Sleeping Beauty Chronicles" (only the first volume of which I really enjoyed; volumes two and three were, to my tastes overdone and had too much gay), 1983-1985. I was thirty-something.

Honey, you ain't even CLOSE to qualifying as "some of us, um older folk!"
 
Sad as it is to say, very shortly BDSM will become "Trendy".

And when it becomes trendy the books that will lead the way will not be true representatives of the culture.

BDSM is rapidly becoming the fantasy of the bored housewife, the person who watches the Today show every day. BDSM is replacing Harlequin romance and Nora Roberts as the new trend.

If Fabio wants to make a come back the boy better slap a dog collar on, because that's what will be in demand.

It will lead to people wandering around saying that they are now BDSM experts because they read shades of Grey. I have not, but a friend of mine has and assures me that the "conflicted bad boy" that I created for my series on lit is far more interesting than Mr. Grey.

he also stated that the majority of BDSM stories here are better than that. It is well written but end of the day is a watered down "crossover" designed to milk the romance crowd and create a buzz.

On that note good for him, he's making money and getting that buzz. I hold that against no one, but get ready to start rolling your eyes as poser-dom starts running rampant, and things like safe words start getting discussed every where.

On another note, do you see where in hardcover this book is selling for $135.00? Are you fucking kidding me? last time I paid that for a book it was an issue of Weird Tales that featured a first printing of a Lovecraft story not some crap that just came out.
 
This is not the first romance bodice ripper that includes BDSm, not even the hundredth.

And I read reviews of these genre romances that talk about "How realistic this book is!" because the man explains safe words to the woman before the first spanking that reveals to her her inner sub for ever and ever.

Probably thousands of women think they understand BDSM because they read BDSM romance novels.

They are the women who show up here, saying "I would like to be a sub! I need a Dom!" meaning a perfect gentleman husbandly type-- with money, of course, because these BDSM Romance Doms are always filthy rich.

Meanwhile, the men who show up saying I AM A DOMLY DOM SUBMIT UNTO ME are probably reading John Ringo. Who doesn't ever say jack shit about safewords, but does say that mothers and daughters should love to do threesomes with him.

There is definitely a gap.
 
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Stella_Omega said:
This is not the first romance bodice ripper that includes BDSm, not even the hundredth.

And I read reviews of these genre romances that talk about "How realistic this book is!" because the man explains safe words to the woman before the first spanking that reveals to her her inner sub for ever and ever.

Probably thousands of women think they understand BDSM because they read BDSM romance novels.

They are the women who show up here, saying "I would like to be a sub! I need a Dom!"
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I knew you would bring up safe words! Stella, you do not disappoint.

At times I wonder if these books are a little scary. creating a group of women who think every dom is secretly romantic and will fall for them. If that is the case, reality is going to hit pretty damn hard, as hard as the whipping they're going to catch before they use the safe word.

Also allow me to say how sick and tired I am of the conflicted bad boy in the appealing to women story lines.

As someone who could be described as one, I will tell you that baby, you are not going to melt my heart and win me over, you are not going to undue a life time of issues and I am not catering to your vanilla crap as Mr. Grey was attempting to do at points in this BDSM meets vanilla ice cream hash together.

I know these are escapes from reality, but it amazes me how in people's minds that fictional setting becomes reality very quickly.

ladies, a word of warning that I have shared with my daughters, if the guy is that fucked up and has that much baggage, back the fuck off, you were not put here to be a savior. Your ass is the ass that matters, say sorry, but no thanks and back away slowly.
 
Ehh...

I read Fifty Shades of Grey last night after happening upon this thread. The character development is very predictable at times and the first person narrative has an angsty undertone. The tone, some character traits, some details, and some of the plot remind me strongly of Twilight. I was repeatedly annoyed by the lack of open communication between him and her. Their relationship kind of pissed me off. I'll understand that better after I digest it for a day.

On the other hand, at least it wasn't a total cliche. The characters have some depth. It's engaging. There are some hot scenes. There are some very amusing email exchanges. Plus, I appreciate almost any BDSM-flavored romance/erotica work that has been proofread for spelling and grammar. It is not in my top 10 favorite books list but I'll probably read book two next time I'm bored.
 
The tone, some character traits, some details, and some of the plot remind me strongly of Twilight.
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As it happens, I have just become aware that this story was written as twilight fan fiction. The author "filed off the serial numbers" as we say, and I guess she did a damn good job of it. Some reviewers claim that they couldn't find any resemblance, but you are one of those sensitive types who catch the undertones. I'm impressed!
 
lovecraft68 said:
At times I wonder if these books are a little scary. creating a group of women who think every dom is secretly romantic and will fall for them. If that is the case, reality is going to hit pretty damn hard, as hard as the whipping they're going to catch before they use the safe word.
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But they ARE out there *sigh*
<---- hopeless romantic
 
Sir_Winston54 said:

"Sleeping Beauty Chronicles" (only the first volume of which I really enjoyed; volumes two and three were, to my tastes overdone and had too much gay), 1983-1985. I was thirty-something.
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I loved those books, probably still have one round here somewhere.
Back when I sold my condo, the agent was sooo nice, she gave the buyers keys before escrow closed. And they were sooo nice, they packed up the few drawers of stuff I had left, right on top was one of those books, haha
 
Stella_Omega said:
As it happens, I have just become aware that this story was written as twilight fan fiction. The author "filed off the serial numbers" as we say, and I guess she did a damn good job of it. Some reviewers claim that they couldn't find any resemblance, but you are one of those sensitive types who catch the undertones. I'm impressed!
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I guess that ends my debate of whether or not I wanted to read it. I only own one e-book, which I bought so I could do a review for a good friend of mine here.

I love regular books, but that insane price is out of the question so I was thinking of having the wife get it on her kindle.

Seeing what you're saying I'm glad I didn't waste the time ($6 on kindle isn't really an investment, but these days my time is worth more than my money)

Not a twilight fan and if it is that obvious and written to the "bubblegum" crowd I need not bother. Please tell me "Mr. Grey" is not a damn vampire.
 
Loverskitten said:
But they ARE out there *sigh*
<---- hopeless romantic
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Well then I will let you know when I post my BDSM Hardcore soap opera "Tales of The Circle" hopefully hitting Amazon by early April.

It has romantic aspects in it, and a lot of plot and character development, but some of the sex scenes fall under "vicious"

Unlike Shades, in the end the conflicted bad boy character? Turns out to be more screwed up than anyone can imagine and his "interest" loses interest.
 
Stella_Omega said:
As it happens, I have just become aware that this story was written as twilight fan fiction. The author "filed off the serial numbers" as we say, and I guess she did a damn good job of it. Some reviewers claim that they couldn't find any resemblance, but you are one of those sensitive types who catch the undertones. I'm impressed!
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I'm flattered. Thank you. :)
Replace vampirism with BDSM and the clumsy high school girl with a clumsy college girl and it's more or less the same story. There are a bunch of details that make it even more obvious but I won't spoil it in a public forum any more than I already have.
 
ellezee said:
I'm flattered. Thank you. :)
Replace vampirism with BDSM and the clumsy high school girl with a clumsy college girl and it's more or less the same story. There are a bunch of details that make it even more obvious but I won't spoil it in a public forum any more than I already have.
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Urgh...after reading this, I'm not going to waste my time or money. Thanks for the heads up ellezee.

Is anyone else getting a 'deja vu' feeling here?

Remember all the mainstream hype about "The Secretary" and the sudden (temporary) influx of wannabe kinky people?

Don't get me wrong, I thought alot of the emotional and psycological conflict was well portrayed. It tried to go some way into showing the more than physical need involved in the relationship.

But the typical "happy ending" annoyed me. And did anybody watch it with the commentary? I sat there thinking " wow, how did you get so much right when you clearly have no idea what the hell you're on about?" :mad:

Mainstream exposure is great for helping closet kinksters into finding their local community and a way for us to slowly gain acceptance into the vanilla world. After all, if we can fall in love then what we do must be sort of okay right? :rolleyes:

Let the lynching begin...
 
I knew you would bring up safe words! Stella, you do not disappoint.
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And you seem to have misread, lovecraft, as you so often do.

What I said was that these (mostly female) romance novelists think that "safewords" makes their bdsm romance realistic.

And the (also mostly female) readers think so, too.

Therefore, because the writer wrote in a discussion about safewords, they think she knows more about BDSM then she actually does. So they believe they've learned about BDSM-- from a half-baked novel.

And I have a problem with that.

Unlike Shades, in the end the conflicted bad boy character? Turns out to be more screwed up than anyone can imagine and his "interest" loses interest.
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Kudos to you for that! :rose:
 
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lovecraft68 said:
Well then I will let you know when I post my BDSM Hardcore soap opera "Tales of The Circle" hopefully hitting Amazon by early April.

It has romantic aspects in it, and a lot of plot and character development, but some of the sex scenes fall under "vicious"

Unlike Shades, in the end the conflicted bad boy character? Turns out to be more screwed up than anyone can imagine and his "interest" loses interest.
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Well sheesh, you gave away the ending. You're going to have to add a talking pie to keep me interested now.
 
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