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I know, I know, I have no business being in this part of the forum. Problem is, to me, this seems like the best place to put this.

Some stories get the Little Big Red H. I know it means hot or something close to it. How exactly does it work? Views? Or votes? Or both? Or neither?

What are the number you have to hit if these are the basis?

Just wondering. If there is a thread about this already, here or somewhere else, I apologize. If you could link me to the other(s), if they exist, that'd be swell.
 
Ask wherever, we's not fussy.

If, after a minimum of 10 votes, you have an average of 4.5 or better, then you get a red H. You keep it as long as the votes keep you above 4.5 average.

Given the math, I'm not sure this measure of 'popularity' equates to the NYT bestsellers lists.

I would suggest that a better judgement of the popularity of your story is the number of public comments and private mails you get.
 
elfin_odalisque said:
Ask wherever, we's not fussy.

If, after a minimum of 10 votes, you have an average of 4.5 or better, then you get a red H. You keep it as long as the votes keep you above 4.5 average.

Given the math, I'm not sure this measure of 'popularity' equates to the NYT bestsellers lists.

I would suggest that a better judgement of the popularity of your story is the number of public comments and private mails you get.
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The red "H" does mean that at least 49.5% of your readers who bothered to vote gave you a five.
 
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CarlusMagnus said:
The red "H" does mean that at least 49.5% of your readers who bothered to vote gave you a five.
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Actually that isn't true. You need to do far better than that to get a 4.5 average.

If 8 people give you a 'five' and 2 people give you a 'one' then you have 8x5+2x1=42 and an average of 4.2, even though 80% of your readers gave you a 'five'.
If 9 people give you a 'five' and 1 person gives you a 'one' then you have 9x5+1x1=46 and an average of 4.6 Hooray

That's why trolling with 'one' votes is so successful.
 
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snoopercharmbrights said:
Actually that isn't true. You need to do far better than that to get a 4.5 average.
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I don't disagree with your math, Snooper, but Carlus's statement was true if you re-read it. He said "at least 49.5%" of the readership gave you a 5. Do the math. If the other 50.5% gave you 4's, the 49.5% 5-vote would suffice on account of rounding. If someone votes lower than a 4, you'd need a higher percentage of 5's to make up that difference, which is encompassed by Carlus's use of the word "at least."

I must have stirred some extra nitpicky into my coffee this morning.

-PF
 
PayDay said:
So, so far, from what you all have told me: H = Mystery

Thanks though, regardless, anyone know for sure?
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Yes, and this was related in the first response to you. When your story has a combined rating of 4.5 or above with at least ten votes, it will get an H. It has to maintain the rating in subsequent votes to retain (or recover) the H. The definition of having an H is no more complex than that.
 
Word.

sr71plt said:
Yes, and this was related in the first response to you. When your story has a combined rating of 4.5 or above with at least ten votes, it will get an H. It has to maintain the rating in subsequent votes to retain (or recover) the H. The definition of having an H is no more complex than that.
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Awesome. Thanks, and thanks elfin_odalisque for hitting it quick, just was not sure after someone rebuttled.
 
snoopercharmbrights said:
Actually that isn't true. You need to do far better than that to get a 4.5 average.

If 8 people give you a 'five' and 2 people give you a 'one' then you have 8x5+2x1=42 and an average of 4.2, even though 80% of your readers gave you a 'five'.
If 9 people give you a 'five' and 1 person gives you a 'one' then you have 9x5+1x1=46 and an average of 4.6 Hooray

That's why trolling with 'one' votes is so successful.
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This is correct (except for the first sentence), but it doesn't address what I said. What I said was that if you have ten votes and a score of 4.5, then at least 4.95 of your ten votes were fives.

Here's more: If you have ten votes and a score of 4.2, then at least 19.5%, or 1.95, of those ten votes were fives. If you have ten votes and a score of 4.6, then at least 59.5%, or 5.95, of those ten votes were fives.

You're going the other way: If you have ten votes and a score of 4.2, then at most 80.125%, or 8.0125, of your ten votes were fives. If you have ten votes and a score of 4.6, then at most 90.125%, or 9.0125, of your votes were fives.

Now put the two together. If your ten votes got you a score of 4.2, you have somewhere from 2 to 8 fives. It's not a very tight estimate, but it's the best we can do.
 
*face palm*..... two guys arguing math and I've got a grin on my face...

(To self: Such a geek. )

Thanks for the workout, anyway. :D Enjoyed the mental flexing, and it is pertainable. Just got my first approved chapter today and it's at 8 votes with an 4.25 . This helps keep it in perspective. :)
 
Etaski said:
Just got my first approved chapter today and it's at 8 votes with an 4.25 . This helps keep it in perspective. :)
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One more 5, followed by a 1 vote, and you'll experience the pattern that most of us see with our stories. :D
 
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Which may or may not hold for even a day. ;)


Oh, trust me, I'm at least passingly familiar with the fickleness of humanity and the wobbly trend on any graph to not take it too seriously. :p Just have to stuff down the "I'm being GRADED!" response I learned from public school....
 
PacoFear said:
I don't disagree with your math, Snooper, but Carlus's statement was true if you re-read it. He said "at least 49.5%" of the readership gave you a 5. Do the math. If the other 50.5% gave you 4's, the 49.5% 5-vote would suffice on account of rounding. ...
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Damn, that nit-picky got into my coffee also this morning!

Nobody has said that there is any rounding. Looking at my old scores*, there does not appear to be any rounding going on.

Assuming your 49.5% is accurate, you have at least 200 votes.
101x4+99x5=899 and 899/200<4.5 so no H.

* Long years ago, "in the second age of Middle Earth" (actually 2002), I had a few stories on here as Charmbrights, with the voting switched on.
 
snoopercharmbrights said:
Damn, that nit-picky got into my coffee also this morning!

Nobody has said that there is any rounding. Looking at my old scores*, there does not appear to be any rounding going on.

Assuming your 49.5% is accurate, you have at least 200 votes.
101x4+99x5=899 and 899/200<4.5 so no H.

* Long years ago, "in the second age of Middle Earth" (actually 2002), I had a few stories on here as Charmbrights, with the voting switched on.
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There is rounding in my scores. And 899/200 = 4.495, which rounds to 4.50. Which means H.
 
CarlusMagnus said:
There is rounding in my scores. And 899/200 = 4.495, which rounds to 4.50. Which means H.
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Fair enough. However that will be extremely rare, a value between 4.495 am 4.499.

Perhaps nit-picking mathematical discussions like this should be marked N?
 
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N

snoopercharmbrights said:
Fair enough. However that will be extremely rare, a value between 4.495 am 4.499.
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Values between 4.495 and 4.499 will constitute about 40% posted scores of 4.50—all of which come from actual averages between 4.495 and 4.504999… :)

snoopercharmbrights said:
Perhaps nit-picking mathematical discussions like this should be marked N?
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Trouble is, the code doesn't work in the title field.
 
CarlusMagnus said:
N

Values between 4.495 and 4.499 will constitute about 40% posted scores of 4.50—all of which come from actual averages between 4.495 and 4.504999… :)
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ROFLMAO :D

And you can't get that damned little line above the last 9, can you?


But 40% of a miniscule sliver of pie is still a miniscule sliver you wouldn't notice on your dessert plate... I'm guessing that in essence was his point. :)

Now I want chocolate...

Trouble is, the code doesn't work in the title field.
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*looks up* Seems like it did work here.... It's cute. :D

Or did you mean as a thread-starter?


EDIT: Whoops, never mind. doesn't work....
 
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Etaski said:
ROFLMAO :D

And you can't get that damned little line above the last 9, can you?
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Too many people don't know what that little line means, so I didn't even try. But I think you're right; you can't do it in HTML without the appropriate CSS.

I see your stories are doing well (haven't had time to read them, though). 4.58 with 43 votes for the first and 4.63 with 41 votes for the second. That's at least 25 fives for the first and at least 26 for the second. :D
 
CarlusMagnus said:
Too many people don't know what that little line means, so I didn't even try. But I think you're right; you can't do it in HTML without the appropriate CSS.
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:cool: So there is a way....

I see your stories are doing well (haven't had time to read them, though). 4.58 with 43 votes for the first and 4.63 with 41 votes for the second. That's at least 25 fives for the first and at least 26 for the second. :D
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*does happy jig* :D Yay!

As for reading them... unless you have a particular liking for Drow, I wouldn't sweat it, Mr. Magnus. Always invited, never expected. :)

The math is fun, though. :)
 
Etaski said:
:cool: So there is a way....
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Yeah. But I think the website owner has to set it up for you by providing an appropriate style sheet. :(

Etaski said:
*does happy jig* :D Yay!
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Wonder if there's a "How to…" note here?

Etaski said:
As for reading them... unless you have a particular liking for Drow, I wouldn't sweat it, Mr. Magnus. Always invited, never expected. :)

The math is fun, though. :)
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More fun than anything but sex.

And it elevates the thread intellectually, too. :D
 
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CarlusMagnus said:
Yeah. But I think the website owner has to set it up for you by providing an appropriate style sheet. :(
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For a little line...nah, obviously won't happen.

But you still thought about it. :D

More fun than anything but sex.
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That does it, I'm going to have to write a goofy story about two kids that get each other hot n' bothered talking in a Math Club...

Or Biology Club.

Maybe I'll go with a Science Club...

CarlusMagnus said:
Wonder if there's a "How to..." note here?
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snoopercharmbrights said:
I'm ⅞ certain it can be done.
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As opposed to 8/9 certain... :D

*ahem* Well, if you mean "How to Calculate the Minimum Number of 5 Scores Received"...hell, I'd give it a read just to play with people's numbers until I tell myself I'm neurotic and stop. :) The lack of complete certainty would eventually make me give up.

But it's a good thing to know how to do for my mentality. I'm the one always calculating the sales taxes for people who aren't sure if they have enough money. Sometimes in my head (but I'm obviously rounding 7.925%...)

I guess it's a type of exercise..."Use it or Lose it!!"
 
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