Did You Catch the Israeli Attack on Iran?

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Dead is...

"Major General Hassan Moqqadam, described by Iranian state media as a pioneer in Iranian missile development and the Revolutionary Guard commander in charge of "ensuring self-sufficiency" in armaments, a challenging task in light of international sanctions"

...and at least 14 of his crew.

"The powerful blast or series of blasts — reports described an initial explosion followed by a much larger one — devastated a missile base in the gritty urban sprawl to the west of the Iranian capital. The base housed Shahab missiles, which, at their longest range, can reach Israel."

"Don't believe the Iranians that it was an accident," the official tells TIME, adding that other sabotage is being planned to impede the Iranian ability to develop and deliver a nuclear weapon. "There are more bullets in the magazine," the official says.

Read all about it:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099376,00.html
 
But...

...perhaps the Israelis did not act alone:

CIA operations in Iran underway to take out Tehran bigs in mission to dismantle weapons program

Explosions and assasinations at Iran nuke base pinned to Israel may have been CIA

In public Sunday, President Obama was at a summit unsuccessfully leaning on Russia and China to back diplomatic efforts to curb Iran’s nuke program.

In private Sunday, there was more evidence of an efficient and brutal covert operation that continues to degrade Iran’s military capabilities.

Iranian officials revealed that one of the 17 men killed in a huge explosion at a munitions depot was a key Revolutionary Guard commander who headed Iran’s missile program. And the IRNA state news agency reported that scientists had discovered a new computer virus in their systems, a more sophisticated version of the Stuxnet worm deployed last year to foul up Iran’s centrifuges.

Iran said the army base explosion was an accident and the new Duqu virus was contained. But Israeli newspapers and some U.S. experts said it appeared to be more from an ongoing secret operation by the CIA and Israel’s Mossad to eliminate Iran’s nuclear threat.

...There was a third mysterious event: The son of a top Iranian hard-liner was found dead — a seeming suicide — in a Dubai hotel on Sunday. His father called it “suspicious” and linked to the base explosion, without elaborating.

Israel was accused of deploying the 11 agents who killed a top Hamas terrorist in a Dubai hotel last year.

I know, I know...

...crazy conspiracy theory..................................right?

:D

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...on-dismantle-weapons-program-article-1.977103
 
I wish we could infect their systems with a virus that would detonate their missiles while still on the ground.
 
Yeah, you want all the toys for yourself and don't want anybody else playing with them. Typical pre-teen.
 
Why waste time and money. Just nuke them ourselves and enjoy Thanksgiving dinner.
 
More like "retaliation ability reduction."

Battle space prep will commence with a carpet bombing of their air bases, I would think.

I doubt they will use BUFFs or B1s. They might use B2s but it would probably be done, for the most part, by sea launch missles.
 
I doubt they will use BUFFs or B1s. They might use B2s but it would probably be done, for the most part, by sea launch missles.

Yeah, I should have just said "bombing," rather than "carpet bombing." The delivery system isn't the important consideration.
 
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Yeah, I should have just said "bombing," rather than "carpet bombing." The delivery system isn't the important consideration.

You have that right. But why drop many, when you can drop one. Enough pain and sorrow have come from that country in the last 30 years to just turn it into a glass parking lot and be done with it. It would be a nice Christmas present for the USA and probably get Obama reelected.
 
You have that right. But why drop many, when you can drop one. Enough pain and sorrow have come from that country in the last 30 years to just turn it into a glass parking lot and be done with it. It would be a nice Christmas present for the USA and probably get Obama reelected.

I'm not a huge fan of slaughtering millions of civilians, personally. There were spontaneous candlelight vigils in Iran after the 9-11 attacks. People I know who have gone there have said that the average Iranian is a pretty decent person, quick to help a stranger, make friends, just trying to make enough to feed and house the family. Why kill them and risk global war yet again? Just swat their military ability and let them get on with being a bunch of people.
 
Won't work Perg.


Gives the leadership an us against them rallying cry.

The leadership won't quit unless the people quit and they won't just up and quit with a few bombings.

They have to fear us more than the Mullahs. Same in Afghanistan and why we will not prevail; no one fears us in the least bit...
 
The Reelection Gambit

We might replace a President presiding over a bad economy, but we will never replace one at war...

NOVEMBER 16, 2011 4:00 A.M.
Iran: America’s Options
We have been indulging in wishful thinking for a decade. It’s time to stop.
Jim Lacey, NRO

In 2007, America’s intelligence agencies delivered a National Intelligence Estimate to President Bush declaring: “We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” As the latest report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) makes clear, Iran did indeed end its “structured” nuclear-weapons program. Kudos to the intel agencies for spotting this change. Where they did much less well was in spotting that the “structured” nuclear-weapons program was transitioned into an “unstructured” nuclear-weapons program.

One might wonder what the difference between a “structured” and an “unstructured” program might be. Well, the “structured” program was consolidated under the “AMAD Plan” and coordinated by the “Orchid Office.” In 2003, Iran halted the AMAD Plan and closed the Orchid Office. A few weeks later, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh — the head of the Orchid Office — opened the Section for Advanced Development Applications and Technologies (SADAT) and began coordinating nuclear-weapons research in an “unstructured” way. There you have it. All it took to fool the best and the brightest in U.S. intelligence was changing the nameplates on the door. This February, apparently worried that U.S. intelligence had finally found him out, Fakhrizadeh doubled down and renamed his nuclear-weapons research team the Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research. That should keep America’s spies running in circles for another few years.

In the meantime, Iran will get on with the serious business of building a nuclear weapon. According to the report released by the IAEA last week, Iran never ceased its nuclear program and is continuing it now at full throttle. The IAEA, not known for ever sounding the alarm early, is now convinced that Iran has been concealing nuclear-weapons activities for most of the last decade, including such things as:

• Construction of a secret nuclear-power plant at Darkhovin and a new nuclear-enrichment facility near Qom, along with construction of ten additional enrichment facilities, of which only five have been found by international inspectors.

• Enrichment of Iran’s uranium stockpile to a level of up to 20 percent U-235. As the IAEA has not found or been shown any evidence that this level of enrichment is for peaceful uses, its analysts assume the enriched uranium is part of a weapons program.

• Ongoing secret research and studies into technical areas whose only purpose would be as part of a weapons program, including: the development of exploding bridgewire detonators; re-engineering of the payload chamber of the Shahab-3 missile re-entry vehicle to fit a nuclear warhead; and a project to create suitable metals for the high temperatures a ballistic missile would face upon re-entry into the atmosphere

• Acquisition of nuclear-weapons design information from Libya in 2004, and more advanced designs in recent years from other sources.

• The development in 2008 of “exploding bridgewire devices” (EBW) that achieved a simultaneity of one microsecond. That is, the Iranians have created a system capable of compressing nuclear fuel to the point of ignition (an explosion). Although there are very limited uses of EBWs for peaceful purposes, Iran has not shown the IAEA any ongoing projects requiring an EBW capability.

• Continued secret research into a hemispherical initiation system to optimize a multipoint initiation design required for nuclear-weapons applications.

• Hydrodynamic experiments involving high explosives in conjunction with nuclear-material surrogates, which are consistent with known methods of nuclear-weapons development.

• The manufacture of neutron initiators, which are an essential component of a nuclear-weapons system and have no possible peaceful use.

Only fools and the willfully obtuse still believe Iran is not working on a nuclear bomb. In fact, the Iranians are probably much closer to having a bomb than even many pessimists have credited. The question now is: What are the United States and the world going to do about it? Continuing along the path we have been on for a decade would mean accepting that Iran will soon have the bomb. Sanctions, cyber attacks, and targeted assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists have slowed but not stopped Iran’s pursuit of the bomb. There is little chance that more of the same is going to deter the mullahs.

Quite a number of international specialists claim that our best option is to learn to live with and contain a nuclear Iran. Even if the United States found such an option acceptable, Israel is unlikely to do so. If the Holocaust taught the Jews anything, it is that, if someone says he is going to kill you, it is best to take him at his word. As Iran has a long record of threatening Israel with fiery annihilation, only a foolhardy Israeli government would allow it the wherewithal to do so without at least taking a stab at ending the threat.

Even apart from the threat to Israel, a nuclear-armed Iran would be a catastrophe. At the very least, with the nuclear genie out of the bottle, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt would go nuclear at speed, and there is no guarantee it would end there. No one can much look forward to an era in which the nations of the most volatile region of the world were armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

It should be recognized that an American or Israeli strike at the Iranian nuclear program is not without risk. Iran could attack oil facilities in the region, launch a global terror campaign, close, at least temporarily, the Straits of Hormuz, and make life more difficult for our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. However, after weighing the risks, I believe the threat posed by a nuclear-armed Iran is incalculably worse.

Can America destroy Iran’s nuclear program? The answer is an unequivocal yes. This may come as a surprise, since we have so often heard the opposite. For instance, many commentators claim that Iran’s program is so distributed that we cannot take it out in a single strike. So what? First, even a distributed program will have a relatively small number of crucial nodes. If those are taken out, the entire Iranian program will grind to a halt. More importantly, why are we limited to a single strike?

Another common objection is that the most important facilities are buried so deep as to make them impervious to bombing. Even if this is true, which is unlikely, of what use is a facility without power and buried under a few hundred yards of rubble and loose earth?

The most commonly used excuse for non-action, however, is that an American military strike would only cause the Iranians to redouble their efforts. Really? In any case, is there some rule against our blowing up their “redoubled” program a year or two from now? Is there not a point where even the Iranians will tire of seeing hundred-billion-dollar investments repeatedly turned into rubbish?

Moreover, there is recent evidence that the United States would not have to go it alone on such a strike. Last week the Pentagon announced that it was sending 4,900 JDAM bombs to the United Arab Emirates. These precision bunker-busting bombs are ideally suited for striking at Iran’s nuclear facilities. The UAE has also recently taken delivery of 80 F-16 E/F Block 60 aircraft. These are the most advanced F-16s in the world and nearly a match for America’s new F-35s. Still, it would take 60 attacks by each of the UAE’s F-16s to use up 4,900 bombs. One assumes that many of these bombs can be easily transferred for use by American aircraft in the region.

If the United States does make the decision to attack Iran, such a strike must be overwhelming. If we targeted only Iranian nuclear facilities, we would leave ourselves open to the Iranian counterstrikes mentioned above. To limit the chances Iran will be able to do serious damage to the West, any U.S. assault must be aimed at Iran’s command-and-control centers, power stations, airbases, and missile sites, as well as the nation’s murderous leadership. And this is the short list. In all likelihood, an attack on Iran would probably have to be a prolonged air assault over many days or weeks. If we, instead, leave the job of striking Iran to the Israelis alone, there is no doubt they could destroy the Iranian nuclear program, or at least set it back years. Israel, however, is incapable of launching the kind of sustained attack that could limit Iran’s ability to strike back.

The military option against Iran is fraught with danger, but doing nothing is more so. Last week’s IAEA report makes it clear that the decision cannot be postponed for much longer.
 
You have that right. But why drop many, when you can drop one. Enough pain and sorrow have come from that country in the last 30 years to just turn it into a glass parking lot and be done with it. It would be a nice Christmas present for the USA and probably get Obama reelected.

That won't be enough...he already has more than enough baggage to get his ass kicked next November. Obama is damaged goods, and rightfully so.
 
That won't be enough...he already has more than enough baggage to get his ass kicked next November. Obama is damaged goods, and rightfully so.

He'll be reelected.

No matter who the Republican Nominee is, he'll have a Sarah Palin moment and the Noonan-Brooks crowd will run right back to the guy with the sharp creases in his pants...

If they don't get Romney, they'll take their ball and run home. If they get Romney, no one else will be excited about voting for dirty air, dirty water, pushing granny off a cliff...,

I mean if the choice is between white Obama and black Obama, black is still the new black.
 
He'll be reelected.

No matter who the Republican Nominee is, he'll have a Sarah Palin moment and the Noonan-Brooks crowd will run right back to the guy with the sharp creases in his pants...

If they don't get Romney, they'll take their ball and run home. If they get Romney, no one else will be excited about voting for dirty air, dirty water, pushing granny off a cliff...,

I mean if the choice is between white Obama and black Obama, black is still the new black.

Betcha a double lobster dinner he won't!
 
Betcha a double lobster dinner he won't!

It's not a slam dunk.

He has the press, the money, a government educated citizenry and he's running against the racists and haters...

Sorry to break the news to you. Isreal is bye-biDUN! :(

He could give a shit if Iran has a nuke; worrying about it won't feed a single hungry child and Republicans want to deny them school breakfast, lunch and dinner because they want poor children to starve...
 
To Obama's cult-inside-a-cult, Israel is a problem, not a solution. This puts Obama at odds with the existence of Israel, which returned persecuted Jews in Europe and the Arab world (about a million refugees) to their ancestral homeland. You can't sink the refugee ship and pretend to love the drowning people. But that's the iron logic of the Obama left.

It was always in the cards that Obama would demand the abolition of Israel. If you don't remember that historic moment, it was because he lied about it, the way he does. When Obama "demanded" that Israel retreat to its 1967 borders, leftist low-brows around the world thought it sounded very reasonable. Everybody else realized that (a) there were no 1967 borders -- that's another Obama lie; rather, those were the 1949 ceasefire lines of the War on Independence, which the Israelis barely survived by stopping five invading Arab armies; (b) the resulting border between Israel and its deadly enemies looks like a gerrymandered Chicago ward, and is indefensible. Obama knows that. Anybody who bothers to read up on it knows it. But the vast, ignorant products of PC education, including half of American Jews, have never even thought about it.

Now, liberals always bring disaster. It's one of those fundamental truths of life. They think they have good intentions, and they think that's all they need. No farmer, hunter, ditch-digger, gardener, or politician in history has ever survived that way. Liberals survive because capitalist farmers, engineers, and even media protect them from reality and dis-illusionment. It's only in their private lives that they confront reality and become amazingly conservative. It's a miracle.

What does all that have to do with Israel and Disaster? It's simple. Israel is believed to have 200 nuclear weapons -- doomsday weapons that are never meant to be used except as a last resort.

Barack Obama has now created the conditions where in the next year, Israel (and the rest of the Middle East) may be forced to confront the doomsday option. The Saudis are the most directly threatened by maniacal Iran, because they live next door. They have openly said that they are importing nuclear weapons from Pakistan in the face of the Iranian threat. It was Barack Hussein Obama who helped push over Mubarak, Gaddafi, and maybe Syria's Assad, who is still fighting a vicious civil war. That's how you "organize communities" in Alinsky Cult.

In his celebrated Nobel Prize-winning quest to bring eternal love and peace to the Middle East, Obama is therefore driving every major government there to go nuclear. Read that again, please: Obama is forcing the Middle East to go nuclear precisely by his "peace" policies. Already 25,000 Arabs are reported to have died in the so-called "Arab Spring." The media are covering it up, as usual, but those are the actual facts on the ground.

If Iran is as suicidally determined to bring Shi'te Armageddon on earth, as soon as it gets enough nukes and missiles, as it seems like it's been saying at least once a day ever sing Jimmy brought Khomeini to power in 1979, there will be the first nuclear war in human history. When Golda Meir was prime minister during the 1974 Yom Kippur War, Israel seriously considered using nuclear weapons to stop the Egyptian tank divisions driving through the Sinai Desert from reaching Israel's civilian heartland. She would have done it, too.

By building up radical Muslims (who are winning the "Arab Spring" civil war), Obama is empowering the worst enemies of Israel and the West. Those radicals hate our guts, as they say every single day on MEMRI (the translation site for Muslim hate propaganda). But Israel and the West are not defenseless. When their backs are against the wall, they will certainly use weapons of mass destruction in self-defense.
Obama says he's all about bringing peace to the Middle East. In fact, like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and all the other liberals, he is creating greater dangers than any Republican ever would.

They start from false premises, they end up with false beliefs, and when they're in power, they inevitably bring disaster. It's not a surprise. It just follows step-by-step from their delusional beliefs.

Obama Peace-Bringer inevitably turns into Obama War-Monger.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/liberals_israel_and_disaster.html#ixzz1dsLjCBJM
 
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