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Old 11-24-2013, 08:02 PM   #1
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Exclamation the war on poverty = we lost

how many years has America been fighting this war?

lets face it, some people want to be poor! and obama is going at this wrong. the solution is never to hand out money or give people shit for free. welfare should be abolished as the only thing welfare as done is create slaves.

when we look at housing projects, why do they always look like a shit hole? because, when you give people free shit, they shit all over it. proving the fact that nothing in life should be free. after all, nothing in life is free as someone paid for it.

just like obama the welfare queen, someone else has been paying for his way of life his hole terrorist life. obama has never earned a dollar in his life! okay that's not totally true as many of the socialist nut jobs purchased the toil paper obama published as a book.

anyway, the solution to fix America is to focus on building jobs, end the obama welfare nation, and get a real president.
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:08 PM   #2
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clearly, obama is using welfare to buy votes. its sad, as we have what 4,6,10 generations that have lived off welfare.

people that vote for obama, are looking for excuses as to why they are a failure and use welfare to support their lazy ass
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Jenn is right on the money! The Walking Dead isn't about zombies, it's a documentary of Obama voters.
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:23 PM   #5
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Jenn is right on the money! The Walking Dead isn't about zombies, it's a documentary of Obama voters.

oh thanks for reminding me that The Walking Dead is on tonight


yeah, great saying!

obama people are zombies as they are consuming the working class
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I feel like we spend a lot of time trying go figure out better ways to take care of the poor as opposed to working toward making our citizens SELF reliant.
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:37 AM   #10
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Kinda funny how many wars are started under Republican Admins that the Country ends up "losing".
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Kinda funny how many wars are started under Republican Admins that the Country ends up "losing".
There haven't been any yet. JFK got the US involved in Viet Nam and LBJ escalated the involvement.
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Old 11-25-2013, 02:42 AM   #12
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There haven't been any yet. JFK got the US involved in Viet Nam and LBJ escalated the involvement.
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Old 11-25-2013, 02:47 AM   #13
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how many years has America been fighting this war?

lets face it, some people want to be poor! and obama is going at this wrong. the solution is never to hand out money or give people shit for free. welfare should be abolished as the only thing welfare as done is create slaves.

when we look at housing projects, why do they always look like a shit hole? because, when you give people free shit, they shit all over it. proving the fact that nothing in life should be free. after all, nothing in life is free as someone paid for it.

just like obama the welfare queen, someone else has been paying for his way of life his hole terrorist life. obama has never earned a dollar in his life! okay that's not totally true as many of the socialist nut jobs purchased the toil paper obama published as a book.

anyway, the solution to fix America is to focus on building jobs, end the obama welfare nation, and get a real president.
I think it was LBJ who declared "War on Poverty" and foisted another giant, ineffective bureaucracy on the population.

I will say, there are some people who, through no fault of their own, are unable to be self-supporting. These are sometimes called "the deserving poor" and I have no objection to giving them some help. However, there are so many more who are not deserving, and they have mostly gotten themselves in their predicament.

There are girls who drop out of school to start popping out babies at 14 years old, and there are illiterates who never even bothered to go to school or to learn to read or write and there are drunks and junkies who do nothing but lie around and remain stoned. And there are those who march to their own drummer and never worry about their own upkeep. I say, boot them off the dole.
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how many years has America been fighting this war?
More or less zero in the last 2,5 decades.
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I will say, there are some people who, through no fault of their own, are unable to be self-supporting. These are sometimes called "the deserving poor" and I have no objection to giving them some help. However, there are so many more who are not deserving, and they have mostly gotten themselves in their predicament.

There are girls who drop out of school to start popping out babies at 14 years old, and there are illiterates who never even bothered to go to school or to learn to read or write and there are drunks and junkies who do nothing but lie around and remain stoned. And there are those who march to their own drummer and never worry about their own upkeep. I say, boot them off the dole.
That sounds nice in theory, but are you positive you can sort out the "deserving poor" from the "undeserving"? Do you really think it's that clear cut all the time? Then you're incredibly naive. How many "deserving" poor would it be ok that the system fucked over because of incompetent attemts to filter out the "undeserving"? Remember, it's you and your ilk that keep saying Government can't to anything right. What makes you think they'd get that right?

Also, do you want to punish kids because their mother may or may not be a dumbass?
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More or less zero in the last 2,5 decades.
I suppose that depends on how you care to define the term "fighting" doesn't it? Since "The War on Poverty" was declared in 1965 the US has spent close to $16 trillion in welfare payments. This year alone the total will be close to $700 billion across 185 separate (do we really need 185 programs?) programs.

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That sounds nice in theory, but are you positive you can sort out the "deserving poor" from the "undeserving"? Do you really think it's that clear cut all the time? Then you're incredibly naive. How many "deserving" poor would it be ok that the system fucked over because of incompetent attemts to filter out the "undeserving"? Remember, it's you and your ilk that keep saying Government can't to anything right. What makes you think they'd get that right?

Also, do you want to punish kids because their mother may or may not be a dumbass?
There's the rub, who is truly deserving and who just manages to fill out the paper work correctly? The programs have become so vast with so many on the dole that it's now virtually impossible to really verify whether the 'means' tested individual is qualified for the assistance or not.

Something has to be done though. We know that when the benefits from these programs reaches a certain payout level (is is now approx. $50K/yr for a family of 4) that it transitions from assistance to a way of life. Or as Daniel Patrick Moynihan put it, "defining deviancy downwards." (Moynihan was one of the architects of "The War on Poverty" and later became an advocate of welfare reform after observing the effects of the "War" after 30 years.)

The current systems and policies are not healthy for either the nation nor the recipient and are unsustainable in the long term.

As far as the OP's statement is concerned, yes we have lost the "War." And the reason is that it is a war that can't be won. The poor will always be with us. We can reduce the numbers, but poverty can never be entirely eliminated. And until such time as some administration focuses on growing the economy, seriously focuses on growing the economy, the numbers are just going to get worse.

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It is not simply the content of his political agenda, which, though wretched, is a good deal less ambitious than was Woodrow Wilson’s or Richard Nixon’s. Barack Obama did not invent managerial liberalism, nor has he contributed any new ideas to it. He is, in fact, a strangely incurious man. Unlike Ronald Reagan, to whom he likes to be compared, President Obama shows no signs of having expended any effort on big thinkers or big ideas. President Reagan’s guiding lights were theorists such as F. A. Hayek and Thomas Paine; Obama’s most important influences have been tacticians such as Abner Mikva, bush-league propagandists like the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and his beloved community organizers. Far from being the intellectual hostage of far-left ideologues, President Obama does not appear to have the intellectual energy even to digest their ideas, much less to implement them. This is not to say that he is an unintelligent man. He is a man with a first-class education and a business-class mind, a sort of inverse autodidact whose intellectual pedigree is an order of magnitude more impressive than his intellect.

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“Democracy never lasts long,” Adams famously said. “It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide.” For liberal regimes, a very common starting point on the road to serfdom is the over-delegation of legislative powers to the executive. France very nearly ended up in a permanent dictatorship as a result of that error, and was spared that fate mostly by good luck and Charles de Gaulle’s patriotism. Long before she declared her infamous state of emergency, Indira Gandhi had been centralizing power in the prime minister’s office, and India was spared a permanent dictatorship only by her political miscalculation and her dynasty-minded son’s having gotten himself killed in a plane wreck. Salazar in Portugal, Austria under Dollfuss, similar stories. But the United States is not going to fall for a strongman government. Instead of delegating power to a would-be president-for-life, we delegate it to a bureaucracy-without-death. You do not need to install a dictator when you’ve already had a politically supercharged permanent bureaucracy in place for 40 years or more. As is made clear by everything from campaign donations to the IRS jihad, the bureaucracy is the Left, and the Left is the bureaucracy. Elections will be held, politicians will come and go, but if you expand the power of the bureaucracy, you expand the power of the Left, of the managers and minions who share Barack Obama’s view of the world. Barack Obama isn’t the leader of the free world; he’s the front man for the permanent bureaucracy, the smiley-face mask hiding the pitiless yawning maw of total politics.

In an important sense, the American people have no political say in the health-care law, for example, because Congress did not pass a law reforming the health-care system; instead, Congress passed a law empowering the Obama administration, through its political appointees and unelected time-servers, to create a new national health-care regime. The general outline of the program is there in the law, but the nuts and bolts of the thing will be created on the fly by President Obama and his many panels of experts. There are several problems with that model of business, one of which is that President Obama, and more than a few of his beloved experts, have political interests. The partisans of pragmatism present themselves as disinterested servants of the public weal, simply collecting the best information and the best advice from the top experts and putting that into practice. Their only political interest, they would have us believe, is in helping the public understand what a great job is being done for them. Consider President Obama’s observation that his worst mistake in his first term was “thinking that this job was just about getting the policy right . . . .The nature of this office is also to tell a story to the American people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times.” (It never seems to have entered into the president’s head that he might have got the policy wrong.) But of course there is a good deal more to politics than that. For example, the president would very much like the unemployment problem to be somewhat abated by the time of the 2014 congressional elections, but he knows that this is unlikely to happen with employers struggling under an expensive health-care mandate that he has not told enough of a story about. And so he has decided — empowered to do so by precisely nothing — that the law will not be enforced until after the elections. Neither does the law empower him arbitrarily to exempt millions of his donors and allies in organized labor from the law, but he has done that too.

This is a remarkable thing. The health-care law gives the executive all sorts of powers to promulgate regulations and make judgments, but it does not give the executive the power to decide which aspects of the law will be enforced and which will not, or to establish a different timeline from the one found in the law itself. For all of the power that Congress legally has given the president in this matter, he feels it necessary to take more — illegally. There is no obvious and persuasive legal rationale for the belief that the president can willy-nilly suspend portions of the law or delay their execution. There is still less reason to believe that the president has the unilateral authority to overturn the law’s fundamental requirements, including the requirement that all health-care plans on offer meet certain federal regulations. Honoring the law meant breaking a key promise — “If you like it, you can keep it” — which the president and his advisers knew all along would be the case. What they did not know was how unpopular breaking that promise would prove to be, and so the final breaking of it has been put off, along with the enrollment deadline, until after the midterm elections. The administration is transparently violating the letter of the law to see after its own political interests. That is an intolerable state of affairs.

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how many years has America been fighting this war?

lets face it, some people want to be poor! and obama is going at this wrong. the solution is never to hand out money or give people shit for free. welfare should be abolished as the only thing welfare as done is create slaves.

when we look at housing projects, why do they always look like a shit hole? because, when you give people free shit, they shit all over it. proving the fact that nothing in life should be free. after all, nothing in life is free as someone paid for it.

just like obama the welfare queen, someone else has been paying for his way of life his hole terrorist life. obama has never earned a dollar in his life! okay that's not totally true as many of the socialist nut jobs purchased the toil paper obama published as a book.

anyway, the solution to fix America is to focus on building jobs, end the obama welfare nation, and get a real president.
We've spent trillions on the "poor" only to earn their hatred and contempt in return.
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Well obana says welfare is a valid career path....if u vote pro obana
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I love watching people like jen and boxlicker and ishamel are the absolute experts on a field they clearly don't know the first thing about

it's awesome
I'd argue they DO know the first thing about being poor. I mean look at jen's typing skills. I learned how to type in 4th grade. Jen's "skool" probably didn't even have electricity.

Anyway, I'm curious as to what it, jen, would do if President. How would it fix poverty?
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