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Old 05-15-2017, 12:07 PM   #1
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Make your incest moms realistic, please.

If you are going to write a mother focused incest story, good for you! But could you do a confirmed oedipalist a favor? Make the moms realistic! No "My mother was 45, but she could pass for 25!" It is not a contradiction for an older woman to look her age and still be attractive. A little gray in the hair, a little sag in the boobs, a few more pounds than in her younger days. It is all good. Indeed, it is what makes mom that appealing sex machine that many of us devoted oedipalists want to fuck all night and all day while dad's away! Just saying.
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:24 PM   #2
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Now....

Now usually i don't weigh in on things like incest but with my sadistic "happy go lucky" nature it seems appropriate to ask "What makes a good realistic incest mom to you?"
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Old 05-15-2017, 04:15 PM   #3
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I think you've hit on a topic many have touched on. (oops a few unintended puns in there)

For me, good erotic writing is a blend of reality and fantasy; occasionally loosely based on our own experiences but then expanded on. I think a good incest mom would be just that, a typical mom with loving feelings to her children and let's face it, has taken care of herself as well.

A mom looking like a playboy centrefold doesn't do much for me.

The sexiness actually comes from the storyline and the complexities of the mixed up emotions.

But look, some people love extreme fantasies, like alien scenes. So if they want 25yo looking moms that's up to them and readers will vote with their feet.

And, on different note; I don't even know what an oedipalist is.
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If you are going to write a mother focused incest story, good for you! But could you do a confirmed oedipalist a favor? Make the moms realistic! No "My mother was 45, but she could pass for 25!" It is not a contradiction for an older woman to look her age and still be attractive. A little gray in the hair, a little sag in the boobs, a few more pounds than in her younger days. It is all good. Indeed, it is what makes mom that appealing sex machine that many of us devoted oedipalists want to fuck all night and all day while dad's away! Just saying.
Mother incest and realistic are pretty much a misnomer in the main to begin with.
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:49 PM   #5
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If you are going to write a mother focused incest story, good for you! But could you do a confirmed oedipalist a favor? Make the moms realistic! No "My mother was 45, but she could pass for 25!" It is not a contradiction for an older woman to look her age and still be attractive. A little gray in the hair, a little sag in the boobs, a few more pounds than in her younger days. It is all good. Indeed, it is what makes mom that appealing sex machine that many of us devoted oedipalists want to fuck all night and all day while dad's away! Just saying.
My favorite is when the mom looks like a sister to her daughter, like in this story:
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To look at [my mom], you'd never guess she'd turned forty last year and had two grown up kids, me and my sister Lois who looked more like her sister than her daughter.
I know lots of moms who look like sisters to their daughters - NOT
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I'd believe a mother and daughter being look alikes (I've known some) long before I'd believe they'd have sex together (I'm sure there are some who do; not many, I believe).
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Zoe Holloway
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They are just four names I decided to post. Four out of dozens of late thirties to mid forties porn stars who are as hot as...well porn stars.

It is possible for women in their forties to look good. I don't know about where you folks live, but I see a lot of women that age rocking yoga pants and looking damn fine for themselves.

Um, in fact you people may have heard of this obscure thing in porn called a "Milf" heard of that? Maybe a little? It stands for mother I'd like to fuck and generally those young boys want to fuck that milf because....she's hot.

So the 42 year old woman next door can be hot, but the MC's mom can't be hot?

So I'll go the other way and say why does a mom have to be frumpy with saddlebags and sagging breasts?

Don't get me wrong if that's what you picture and want in a story then that's your right and I'm sure it can be found.

As pilot has pointed out mom/son incest is pretty unrealistic anyway so why is it a mom fucking her son is 'yeah, I can dig it!' but the fact she's described as being porn star perfect....that's the deal breaker?

People can write whatever ideals they want and people are free to not read them.

I do understand the OP's point in a sense, but again, this is all damn fantasy anyway so for me? I always go all the way and mom's usually a hot cougar and anyone can fee free to check out my numbers here. No one seems to be put off by it.

But I would be curious to ask if the male writers who want mom's to be somewhat frumpish will write the fathers in dad/daughter stories as balding with love handles and pot bellies or are they the 'construction worker who still has a six pack' Curious on that one.
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Old 05-16-2017, 04:44 PM   #8
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Nice - "While George was a rugged figure as a young man, his daughter Sassy wondered if he could even see his penis over his large belly. Nevertheless, she longed to..."
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:22 AM   #9
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To Lovecraft -

About 'fat dads' - you bring up something pretty interesting there. While most male writers tend to idealize, there are a LOT of women with daddy complexes that associate fathers with big guts as a visual cue, so that actually turns them on. It's probably similar to the whole 'bear' thing with gay men. For straight guys, though, it is not easy to write about a fat dad getting with his hot daughter because they just can't see the appeal and it's honestly kind of gross to think about. Fat and hairy are two things I do not want to visualize. But then, on the flip side, what does it say about straight guys that we have any preference at all for how a guy is supposed to look and why are we so preoccupied with big cocks? Maybe Ron White had a good point...
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:20 PM   #10
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About 'fat dads' - you bring up something pretty interesting there. While most male writers tend to idealize, there are a LOT of women with daddy complexes that associate fathers with big guts as a visual cue, so that actually turns them on. It's probably similar to the whole 'bear' thing with gay men. For straight guys, though, it is not easy to write about a fat dad getting with his hot daughter because they just can't see the appeal and it's honestly kind of gross to think about. Fat and hairy are two things I do not want to visualize. But then, on the flip side, what does it say about straight guys that we have any preference at all for how a guy is supposed to look and why are we so preoccupied with big cocks? Maybe Ron White had a good point...
The thing is these stories are fantasy so I don't know why people start deciding that the one unrealistic thing in an erotic story is a woman(and now we're discussing men) looking good in their middle to upper years.

I'm 49 and run twice a week and hit the gym three times a week. Am I 'chiseled'? No, but I'm in pretty damn good shape and don't see where I'm superhuman for being so. In other words, there are plenty of attractive and fit older people of both sexes.

Want a gross visual? How about making erotic gang bang stories what they are in real life? A bunch of flabby guys with small dicks standing around jacking off to try and stay hard for the thirty seconds they'll get with the woman, who although there are better odds will be in better shape than the man, may also be less than the porn ideal.

That's reality. But who wants to read it?

It comes down to for each their own, but wow its a head scratcher to think on a site where all woman want to be raped, all family members have sex, all shy girls turn into gang banging porn stars within seconds and every guy has a big dick and goes for hours that....a forty four year old woman-or guy-who is in good shape is 'unrealistic'
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:15 PM   #11
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To Lovecraft -

About 'fat dads' - you bring up something pretty interesting there. While most male writers tend to idealize, there are a LOT of women with daddy complexes that associate fathers with big guts as a visual cue, so that actually turns them on. It's probably similar to the whole 'bear' thing with gay men. For straight guys, though, it is not easy to write about a fat dad getting with his hot daughter because they just can't see the appeal and it's honestly kind of gross to think about. Fat and hairy are two things I do not want to visualize. But then, on the flip side, what does it say about straight guys that we have any preference at all for how a guy is supposed to look and why are we so preoccupied with big cocks? Maybe Ron White had a good point...
Interesting stuff and illustrates a possible gulf between the genders. Women don't necessarily looking for a chiselled look, but, dare I say it, someone that cares and will look after them. That's why guys with money or power never have problems with attracting a women. Keeping them is another story, of course. And sure, a women might fantasize about a gang bang, but more likely with her man at her side.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:34 AM   #12
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The thing is these stories are fantasy so I don't know why people start deciding that the one unrealistic thing in an erotic story is a woman(and now we're discussing men) looking good in their middle to upper years.

I'm 49 and run twice a week and hit the gym three times a week. Am I 'chiseled'? No, but I'm in pretty damn good shape and don't see where I'm superhuman for being so. In other words, there are plenty of attractive and fit older people of both sexes.

Want a gross visual? How about making erotic gang bang stories what they are in real life? A bunch of flabby guys with small dicks standing around jacking off to try and stay hard for the thirty seconds they'll get with the woman, who although there are better odds will be in better shape than the man, may also be less than the porn ideal.

That's reality. But who wants to read it?

It comes down to for each their own, but wow its a head scratcher to think on a site where all woman want to be raped, all family members have sex, all shy girls turn into gang banging porn stars within seconds and every guy has a big dick and goes for hours that....a forty four year old woman-or guy-who is in good shape is 'unrealistic'
I generally agree with you about not getting bogged down in realism in an erotic fantasy. I also don't think it's at all unrealistic for a middle-aged man or woman to be very attractive. My mom is 54 and looks better now than she did when she was in her 30's. Same for my dad - he's 53 and in better shape than I am and has women chasing him left and right without really even trying.

I was only commenting on this part of your post in my last one:

"But I would be curious to ask if the male writers who want mom's to be somewhat frumpish will write the fathers in dad/daughter stories as balding with love handles and pot bellies or are they the 'construction worker who still has a six pack' Curious on that one."
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"But I would be curious to ask if the male writers who want mom's to be somewhat frumpish will write the fathers in dad/daughter stories as balding with love handles and pot bellies or are they the 'construction worker who still has a six pack' Curious on that one."
How much money and/or a power position does this balding father with love handles and a pot belly have?
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I understand the issue

But Literotica is a broad church.
For every person who wants a realistic setting there is another who wants fantasy all the way.
Truthfully moms and dads come in all shapes and sizes and I don't think there is any type of body shape that favours incest.
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I always figured part of the point of mom/son incest is that the mom is a MILF, as in definitely older-looking but not in a bad way. May/December relationships in porn always emphasize the superior experience of the older partner (regardless of which one is whichever gender).
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How much money and/or a power position does this balding father with love handles and a pot belly have?
Funny you mention power position. One of the dynamics I've noticed in incest stories is a glaring double standard.

A hot mom coming on to the son is hot and sexy, its seduction.

The father coming on to the daughter however, many incest writers/readers I've spoken with seem to feel uneasy about. It has more of a rapey molestation feel to it...abuse of power even if written with 100% consent.

Because of that a lot of dad/daughter stories feature the daughter as the little minx hot for daddy and coming on to him.

Of course I'm going by stories that have some story, flat out strokers don't have much in the way of factions and dynamics its as long as they're fucking and quickly who cares about much else?

In real life I have a think for sibling incest if consensual. The forbidden love intrigues me and I believe as long as you're not hurting anyone why not?

But parent child in real life? Even if the child is of age, that smacks of abuse or just horrible parenting. Siblings are peers. Parents should always know better, so squicky to me in real life. Because I think as you said "Power position'
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I don't have any incest inclinations, so I couldn't speak for what readers of incest would be most turned on by what combinations of partners. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if male incest readers would be more aroused by a vixen daughter going after Daddy than Daddy going after vixen daughter.
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I don't have any incest inclinations, so I couldn't speak for what readers of incest would be most turned on by what combinations of partners. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if male incest readers would be more aroused by a vixen daughter going after Daddy than Daddy going after vixen daughter.
I've found that to be pretty universally the case. Incest erotica seems to steer well clear of situations that could be likened to molestation, so the daughter or younger sister is always the instigator in the situation.

Of course the usual gender double standard applies, the one where a consenting younger girl is considered to have been preyed upon, while a consenting younger guy is considered "lucky". So with mom/son stories the instigator might be either one.
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Something I just thought to add to this conversation. What helps with having a 'hot mom' and making it realistic is give a reason she looks that good.

What I mean is well, what does mom do for work? In one of my stories the mother was a long time dance instructor. A woman who has danced her entire life is going to be in good shape with a fairly tight body.

Physical therapist, aerobics instructor....describe how she's a jogger or goes to the gym during the week. Give plausible reasons.

Same goes for guys in stories as well. I'm in good shape and it's not simple genetics and for the most part eating and living right, its work. Jogging, the gym, karate...have your characters involved in these things and it makes it believable their in their forties or older and still looking good.
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Physical therapist, aerobics instructor....describe how she's a jogger or goes to the gym during the week. Give plausible reasons.

Same goes for guys in stories as well. I'm in good shape and it's not simple genetics and for the most part eating and living right, its work. Jogging, the gym, karate...have your characters involved in these things and it makes it believable their in their forties or older and still looking good.
I don't know, I mean body shape yeah, but for an older woman who has big tits and not a lot of facial wrinkles, that's pretty much genetics. And body shape can be genetics too, some people just have really good or really bad metabolisms no matter how much or how little they do by way of exercise and proper eating.

But point taken, for a fictional story, when you're tossing out character exposition, such things do help paint a broader picture of the characters.
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I don't know, I mean body shape yeah, but for an older woman who has big tits and not a lot of facial wrinkles, that's pretty much genetics. And body shape can be genetics too, some people just have really good or really bad metabolisms no matter how much or how little they do by way of exercise and proper eating.

But point taken, for a fictional story, when you're tossing out character exposition, such things do help paint a broader picture of the characters.
Funny you mention the large breasts because I always get stuck in that one myself. If a women is busty then unless they have surgery, there's mot much they can do to avoid gravity.

One thing I've done is some of the mothers have smaller breasts. Small tits defy gravity much longer. Other occasions I've gone along the lines of. "Considering her age and their size, mom's breasts were still holding up well."

But what all this comes down to is what reader expectations are. Many readers want to turn off reality. Like Pilot said when dealing with mom son incest how believable is it to begin with? You're suspending a lot of reality just with the premise.

So my guess is many readers aren't concerned with "forty looks 30 yeah, right" they're just excited that mom looks good for sonny boy. Now some may have that eye roll reaction of "Sure mom could be a model and dad could be on the cover of GQ whatever....

For personal tastes it doesn't bother me and I'm one of those oddball nitpicky types that certain things will jar me out of a story, but for whatever reason this topic doesn't.
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If you are going to write a mother focused incest story, good for you! But could you do a confirmed oedipalist a favor? Make the moms realistic! No "My mother was 45, but she could pass for 25!" It is not a contradiction for an older woman to look her age and still be attractive.
Amen to that...something I've pointed out for years. Most of the teenage boys I talk to imagine their fantasy mother figures ranging 38-55 thereabouts. And its NOT the porn star look they love...its more like the moms seen on TV.

Jane Kaczmarek, Patricia Richardson comes to mind...even Doris Day!
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There are plenty of Hollywood actresses out there that are in their 50s and up and are still smoking hot MILFs.

Alright, yeah, older women with large breasts they most likely sag a bit when the bra comes off. I don't think anybody really minds that?
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Amen to that...something I've pointed out for years. Most of the teenage boys I talk to imagine their fantasy mother figures ranging 38-55 thereabouts. And its NOT the porn star look they love...its more like the moms seen on TV.

Jane Kaczmarek, Patricia Richardson comes to mind...even Doris Day!
While I'm not a teenager anymore, I do find more 'natural' looking mature women to be much sexier in amateur porn than MILF porn stars, especially when they are with a young guy. Strangely, Russian amateur porn has a lot of this and the chemistry between the older women and younger men is so much more genuine and natural. Something about watching a confident mature woman draping herself over a young guy and kissing him while staring into his eyes just gets me every time.


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There are plenty of Hollywood actresses out there that are in their 50s and up and are still smoking hot MILFs.

Alright, yeah, older women with large breasts they most likely sag a bit when the bra comes off. I don't think anybody really minds that?
Don't take this the wrong way, because I'm really not interested in my own mom in real life, but it's pretty hard not to notice her body when she still runs around half naked most of the time. She's 54, hardly ever wears a bra, and has really big boobs that don't sag much at all. Maybe that's genetics. Growing up I remember she had a big ol' bubble butt, though I have noticed that it has gotten flatter in the last few years, but she doesn't really have any cellulite and her skin is still supple even though she smokes. She has wrinkles on her face, but I'm pretty much blind to them because I see her everyday. I think in incest stories there is a certain amount of this kind of blindness going on.
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