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Old 01-22-2013, 07:58 AM   #28151
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Typical Vietnam-era Marine behavior.

No wonder when the going gets tough nowadays, the government sends in the Navy SEALS instead.

Semper Fag.
They would have done the same fucking thing pilgrim, maybe worse.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:11 AM   #28152
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West said he would walk thru HELL with 2 gasoline cans to save his men

WE NEED MEN LIKE THAT

Not fucking FAGS like "Gen" Casey who said after Nadal killed 14 people that it would be a shame if DIVERSITY died with it

Non of the above FAGS at ANY problem with supporting a WAR CRIMINAL, Kerry fr Pres
Lawyers are taking over the military like they have the government, the vast majority of aggressive warriors are on their way out by the time they get to the 06 level, with a few necessary exceptions most at the top are bureaucrats in uniform.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:19 AM   #28153
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if we have to have a black President.
The Angry Old White Man party speaks out.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:21 AM   #28154
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The Angry Old White Man party speaks out.
Angry? I'm not a Democrat.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:05 AM   #28155
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Angry? I not a Democrat.
 

Old 01-22-2013, 11:46 AM   #28156
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Lawyers are taking over the military like they have the government, the vast majority of aggressive warriors are on their way out by the time they get to the 06 level, with a few necessary exceptions most at the top are bureaucrats in uniform.
Very few aggressive warriors make O-1.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:07 PM   #28157
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The Angry Old White Man party speaks out.
His yelling at clouds is amusing for short periods of time, but then you realize that he's not someone's alt, but an actual person, somewhere in southern california.

Granted, he doesn't leave his house much, so he's not much of a threat to the general populace, but one day, you know he's going to run his camero into a station wagon full of black kids.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:58 PM   #28158
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The economy is great, BITCH's


Hero Of The Working Class Michelle Obama Sports Inaugural Dress Costing Between $5K-$10K…




The MSM would go ballistic if this was Ann Romney.

Via Enstarz:


First Lady Michelle Obama impressed fashion experts and amateurs alike with her inaugural outfit Monday morning created by New York-based designer Thom Browne, mostly known for his menswear collections.

The First Lady wore a navy silk jacquard coat and dress outfit in a checked pattern specially designed for her.

“I wanted ‘tailored’ for her. For me, she stands for strength and confidence, and that’s what I wanted to design for her,” Browne told the Associated Press about his creation for the First Lady’s inaugural dress.

According to the designer, the outfit was inspired by a men’s silk tie. It is unclear what the cost of the outfit was, but it could likely be at least $10,000, according to Enstars’ estimates. However, the actual price has not been confirmed and there is no word yet on whether the dress and coat outfit will be rolled out for customers.

Pleated dresses from Browne’s pre-fall 2013 collection for example, range from $3,500 to $4,400 while a knee length tailored coat from the same collection, similar in shape to the one worn by Mrs. Obama is prized at $5,100.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:45 PM   #28160
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CURRY will question the source

Forget the REALITY the source is THE LAW and OBAMA's words



Obama concedes: Obamacare didn’t do anything for rising health care costs









It started out with such high hopes:


“I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”

That was on the trail in 2008, an audacious promise Politifact ruled flatly “Broken.” Obama repeated the promises of lower premiums and bent cost curves as a central part of his pitch in passing the health care law. It is called “The Affordable Care Act.” But most supporters of Obamacare have stopped talking about cost savings and started focusing on increased benefits, acknowledging (sometimes explicitly and sometimes implicitly) that expanded coverage and more benefits will actually cost more money, not less, but that the trade-off is worth it.

President Obama joined that crowd in his second Inaugural address Monday. It came as Obama just barely grazed two issues rather important to the American people at the end of this paragraph:


We understand that outworn programs are inadequate to the needs of our time. So we must harness new ideas and technology to remake our government, revamp our tax code, reform our schools, and empower our citizens with the skills they need to work hard or learn more, reach higher. But while the means will change, our purpose endures. A nation that rewards the effort and determination of every single American, that is what this moment requires. That is what will give real meaning to our creed. We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit.

And, now for the “but,” clause, which includes all the reasons he can’t actually ever make hard choices:


But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future.

President Obama spent two years of his first term passing a giant health care bill that was supposed to address rising costs. This claim was front and center in his appeal to a joint session of Congress on the matter in 2009:


Then there’s the problem of rising costs. We spend one-and-a-half times more per person on health care than any other country, but we aren’t any healthier for it. This is one of the reasons that insurance premiums have gone up three times faster than wages. It’s why so many employers – especially small businesses – are forcing their employees to pay more for insurance, or are dropping their coverage entirely. It’s why so many aspiring entrepreneurs cannot afford to open a business in the first place, and why American businesses that compete internationally – like our automakers – are at a huge disadvantage. And it’s why those of us with health insurance are also paying a hidden and growing tax for those without it – about $1000 per year that pays for somebody else’s emergency room and charitable care.

Finally, our health care system is placing an unsustainable burden on taxpayers. When health care costs grow at the rate they have, it puts greater pressure on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If we do nothing to slow these skyrocketing costs, we will eventually be spending more on Medicare and Medicaid than every other government program combined. Put simply, our health care problem is our deficit problem. Nothing else even comes close.

These are the facts. Nobody disputes them. We know we must reform this system.

And, so we did, allegedly with an eye toward “bending the cost curve down” and lowering premiums for families. It has been more than two years since the law passed. Critics of the law have been proven right again and again in their skepticism that it could do those things.

HHS, 2010:


President Obama’s health care overhaul law will increase the nation’s health care tab instead of bringing costs down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation.

A report by economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department said the health care remake will achieve Obama’s aim of expanding health insurance — adding 34 million Americans to the coverage rolls.

But the analysis also found that the law falls short of the president’s twin goal of controlling runaway costs. It also warned that Medicare cuts may be unrealistic and unsustainable, driving about 15% of hospitals into the red and “possibly jeopardizing access” to care for seniors.

The mixed verdict for Obama’s signature issue is the first comprehensive look by neutral experts.

Kaiser, 2011:


The Kaiser Family Foundation shows family premiums topped $15,000 a year for the first time in 2011, increasing a whopping 9% this year, three times more than the increase the year before. The study says that up to 2% of that increase is because of the health care law’s provisions, such as allowing families to add grown children up to 26 years old to their policies.

CLASS Act turns out to be fiction, not revenue, 2011:


How did a program so obviously unsustainable that the White House had no choice but to shut it down produce an $80 billion surplus for ObamaCare accounting purposes? Very simply, actually. The Democrats designed the first five years of CLASS to be a “vesting period” in which enrollees would pay into the program but receive no benefits yet. In other words, for the first five years, the program would have been pure profit for the government — and then, when benefits finally kicked in, the hemorrhaging would begin. The reason they did it that way is the same reason they delayed the start of ObamaCare until 2014: They knew that CBO “scores” new legislation based on its first 10 years of operation, so the more they could game the numbers during those first 10 years, the better the “score” for ObamaCare would look while Democrats were trying to sell it to the public. It was a massive accounting fraud designed to make health-care reform seem much less expensive than it really was. According to Klein, CLASS’s phony “savings” accounted for fully $70 billion of ObamaCare’s supposed $143 billion in deficit reduction.

The 1099 reporting rule turns out to be overburdensome regulation, not revenue, 2011:


The very first part of ObamaCare to get the knife was the 1099 reporting requirement. That extremist bit of legislation passed the Senate 87-12 and the House, 314-112, and landed on the President’s desk for signing on April 14. The 1099 reporting requirement was one of the funding fictions ObamaCare supporters used to make it look as if the President’s plan would fulfill his promise not to “add a dime to the deficit.” Post-passage it was almost universally recognized as unworkable. It would have required businesses to fill out an IRS form (1099) for every $600 of staples and printer paper they bought at Target within a calendar year. It closed a loophole, and that loophole was shopping.

When it was repealed, Obama called it “a big win for small business.”

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, 2012:


When President Obama began pushing national health care legislation in 2009, he argued that reform was needed to rein in the unsustainable growth in health care spending that was crippling the budgets of businesses, states and the federal government. But a new government actuarial study finds that as a result of the law, health care spending will be $478 billion higher over the next decade than it would have otherwise been had no law been passed.

Furthermore, as a result of the health care law, about 50 cents of every dollar of health care spending in the United States will be financed by government by 2021, according to the report from the actuary’s office at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, unveiled today in the journal Health Affairs.

Then there’s the $63 Obamacare’s newly written regulations added to everyone’s premium in December, which even if it were the only increase for which Obamacare was responsible, would still put Obama $2,563 off his promise.


The charge, buried in a recent regulation, works out to tens of millions of dollars for the largest companies, employers say. Most of that is likely to be passed on to workers.

Oops, electronic records raise costs instead of lowering them, 2013:


The report predicted that widespread use of electronic records could save the United States health care system at least $81 billion a year, a figure RAND now says was overstated. The study was widely praised within the technology industry and helped persuade Congress and the Obama administration to authorize billions of dollars in federal stimulus money in 2009 to help hospitals and doctors pay for the installation of electronic records systems.

“RAND got a lot of attention and a lot of buzz with the original analysis,” said Dr. Kellermann, who was not involved in the 2005 study. “The industry quickly embraced it.”

But evidence of significant savings is scant, and there is increasing concern that electronic records have actually added to costs by making it easier to bill more for some services.

Politico discovers mandates of more benefits and more coverage paid for with more taxes might hike premium costs, 2013:


If you work for a small business, your next health insurance premium may give you sticker shock.
Many of the small-business and individual insurance policies are working the health reform law’s 2014 fees into their 2013 bills, contributing to double-digit premium increases for some people.

All those new consumer benefits packed into the health reform law — birth control without a co-pay, free preventive care and limits on when insurers can turn down a customer — had to be paid for somehow.

So the law’s drafters included a new tax on health insurers, starting at $8 billion in 2014 and increasing to $14 billion within four years, to help meet the new expenses. And insurers in 2014 will also have to pay a “reinsurance contribution” to cushion health plans that end up with a lot of sick customers under new rules requiring them to cover people with pre-existing conditions.

The Government Accountability Office, 2013:


The Government Accountability Office (GAO)’s annual audit of the government, released Thursday, raises serious concerns about the federal government’s long-term financial stability and the effectiveness of the Affordable Care Act’s cost-curbing measures.

The report found “that—absent policy changes—the federal government continues to face an unsustainable fiscal path.”

Obamacare has already failed in its promises. Our president spent two years, during the worst economic downturn since the Depression, passing a law more than 50 percent of the public still hates because 85 percent of them were satisfied with their current coverage, imperfect though it was. He turned the crayon box upside down to draw a picture no one wanted and we all must now pay more money to enjoy his vision. The only spending problem he’ll concede we have has been exacerbated by his own signature “achievement.”
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If you want to bring up one point we can talk about it but it's impossible to discuss an entire RW blather blog of that magnitude.
 

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CURRY will question the source

Forget the REALITY the source is THE LAW and OBAMA's words



Obama concedes: Obamacare didn’t do anything for rising health care costs









It started out with such high hopes:


“I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
No President has been more full of shit in history.
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If you want to bring up one point we can talk about it but it's impossible to discuss an entire RW blather blog of that magnitude.
it is NOT impossible


and stop with RW BLOG shit
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it is NOT impossible


and stop with RW BLOG shit
That article makes like 25 points. Which one titillates you most?
 

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That article makes like 25 points. Which one titillates you most?
Obama concedes: Obamacare didn’t do anything for rising health care costs
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Obama concedes: Obamacare didn’t do anything for rising health care costs
Where does Obama concede that?

Considering that exchanges, the Medicaid fix, and subsidies haven't began yet, how do we know?

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Old 01-22-2013, 02:49 PM   #28167
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read it

FIVE TIMES I ASKED YOU A QUESTION........FIVE TIMES YOU HAVE IGNORED IT

we know why
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He suffers from selective input.
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and shitty output
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I don't see a concession.
 

Old 01-23-2013, 06:59 AM   #28171
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This is a JOKE


I think


Or


Its another shovel ready job, brought to us by WhoSane Obama

A guy stopped at a local gas station, and after filling his tank, he paid the bill and bought a soft drink. He stood by his car to drink his cola and watched a couple of men working along the roadside.

One man would dig a hole two or three feet deep and then move on. The other man came along behind him and filled in the hole. While one was digging a new hole, the other was 25 feet behind filling in the hole.

The men worked right past the guy with the soft drink and went on down the road. "I can't stand this," said the man tossing the can into a trash container and headed down the road toward the men.

"Hold it, hold it," he said to the men. "Can you tell me what's going on here with all this digging and refilling?"

"Well, we work for the government and we're just doing our job," one of the men said.

"But one of you is digging a hole and the other fills it up. You're not accomplishing anything. Aren't you wasting the taxpayers' money?"

"You don't understand, mister," one of the men said, leaning on his shovel and wiping his brow. "Normally there's three of us: me, Elmer and Leroy. I dig the hole, Elmer sticks in the tree, and Leroy here puts the dirt back.

Elmer's job's been cut ... so now it's just me an' Leroy.
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No shit, about it too.
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Where does Obama concede that?

Considering that exchanges, the Medicaid fix, and subsidies haven't began yet, how do we know?
All Lit conservatives "know" these things.

They hold these trooths to be self-evident...
 

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Awesome News: Union Membership Hits New All-Time Low, 11.3%…




The unions can’t disappear fast enough.

Via LA Times:


Union membership is continuing to shrink throughout the country, even as companies add jobs in one-time union strongholds such as Michigan.

Union membership fell to 11.3% of wage and salary workers last year, down from 11.8% the year before, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said today. In 1981, 20.1% of wage and salary workers were unionized.

The latest numbers, while not a surprise, are the result of both political maneuvering and corporate negotiations. Both Michigan and Indiana became right-to-work states over the last year, meaning unions cannot require members to pay dues as a condition of employment. In other states, such as Wisconsin, state governments reduced the power of public employee unions.

“This is part of this fight that we’ve been seeing where business and political allies of business are continuing to go after the rights of Americans to join unions,” said William Spriggs, chief economist of the AFL-CIO, after looking at the numbers.

The public sector is the last stronghold of the union movement, which may be why it is a target of conservative leaders eager to cut costs in budget negotiations. About 36% of the public sector is unionized, compared to 6.6% of the private sector.

Membership is much higher for older workers, another bad sign for the labor movement.

Only 10.7% of 25- to 34-year-old workers were unionized last year, compared to 15.4% of workers aged 45 to 54 and 16.4% of workers aged 55 to 64.
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