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Extinct Ibex resurrected by cloning.

I'm not sure what I think of this - it's sort of Jurassic Park-ish - but the idea is certainly intriguing.

Should we bring these species back? What about the ones that went extinct due directly to man's interference?
 
It's an intriguing idea. It might work in the case of a recently extinct animal like this.

But bringing something back that's been long gone? I'm not sure that's wise. We don't know what we'll bring back with it.

We really don't understand the universe enough to play God.
 
Certainly any species that humans exterminated is due for rebirth just as soon as it's feasible. All those critics who come up with a raft of tiresome excuses for doing nothing can go take a hike, preferably towards some hungry threatened species of predator. As to those species gone extinct for climatic or catastrophic reasons, the world has changed a great deal in the last 10,000 years, even those parts that haven't been paved over. Pyrannean ibex? Damned straight. Columbian mammoth . . . I dunno.

Oh, and do be advised that it isn't necessarily required that the species be cloned. The tarpan, aurochs and quagga have all been recreated from back-breeding. You could even buy one, if you had enough money. :D
 
I say go for it! Introduction of rats, cats, dogs, rabbits, et al by accident or design to ecosystems unfamiliar with these species caused many an animal, bird, reptile or insect to become extinct. Human predation and deforestation over the centuries has eliminated countless others.

We should at least make an attempt to undo the damage we've done. ;)
 
TE999 said:
I say go for it! Introduction of rats, cats, dogs, rabbits, et al by accident or design to ecosystems unfamiliar with these species caused many an animal, bird, reptile or insect to become extinct. Human predation and deforestation over the centuries has eliminated countless others.

We should at least make an attempt to undo the damage we've done. ;)
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Especially if they turn out to be good tasting! :D
 
Cousin Larry! ;)

But seriously, I don't like the idea of cloning extinct species. We don't have complete DNA of them, and things are going to go wrong, or weird, or something other than we want them to. even if it isn't Jurassic Park dangerous, things won't be right in any sense of the word.

I really only approve of the cloning of body parts for organ transplants. Not entire clones for harvesting, but just the parts.
 
cloudy said:
Sure, because the whole point of bringing them back is so that we can kill them again.

:rolleyes:
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We brought the bison (buffalo) back from the edge of extinction with such success we can eat them again. ;) Not mass slaughter like the old days, but just enough to thin the herds so they can survive without predators that would do it naturally.
 
TE999 said:
We brought the bison (buffalo) back from the edge of extinction with such success we can eat them again. ;) Not mass slaughter like the old days, but just enough to thin the herds so they can survive without predators that would do it naturally.
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As Cloudy well knows, when she isn't being contrary, hunters have saved more species than any other group. Worried about a species? Tell SCI that they taste good and the next thing you know, there will be reintroduction programs, habitat protection and game wardens all over the place. Tell the Sierra Club and all you'll get is sniveling and calls to pass a law.
 
cloudy said:
Sure, because the whole point of bringing them back is so that we can kill them again.

:rolleyes:
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Amen!

I never been on an Ibex hunt.;)

Actually, I think we need to store as much DNA of wildlife as we can. Then one day when we stop being the A-holes that we are, we can appreciate some of the other forms of life that have existed along with us.

Sad thing is...it's too late for some.
 
Misty_Morning said:
Amen!

I never been on an Ibex hunt.;)

Actually, I think we need to store as much DNA of wildlife as we can. Then one day when we stop being the A-holes that we are, we can appreciate some of the other forms of life that have existed along with us.

Sad thing is...it's too late for some.
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That's true...but the Ivory Billed Woodpecker has been seen in an Arkansas swamp...and several other animal and bird species thought to be extinct have been spotted as well.

I think we should bring back as many species as we can...even if they can exist only in zoos and preserves. ;)
 
TE999 said:
That's true...but the Ivory Billed Woodpecker has been seen in an Arkansas swamp...
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Yeah, but how many does it take to satisfy an apetite?

I just can't see gnawing on those little rib bones....:rolleyes:

Actually, I heard about this while I still living in Memphis. I'm just surprised that some of those gool ol' boys didn't head out there to a get a "little" trophy.
 
I see bringing back an extinct species in the same light as introducing any species to a new environment. OK for a zoo, but just fucking up the ecology more for any other scenario. But then, that's what we humans do on this planet, yeah? ;)
 
Misty_Morning said:
Yeah, but how many does it take to satisfy an apetite?

I just can't see gnawing on those little rib bones....:rolleyes:

Actually, I heard about this while I still living in Memphis. I'm just surprised that some of those gool ol' boys didn't head out there to a get a "little" trophy.
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Heh! The gators prolly got 'em when they were drinkin' beer in a bass boat and fell in. :D

I can't see snackin' on a woodpecker...too gristly...besides it takes four and twenty blackbirds to make a decent pie...and only one or two Ivory Bills have been seen so far. ;)
 
TE999 said:
Heh! The gators prolly got 'em when they were drinkin' beer in a bass boat and fell in. :D

I can't see snackin' on a woodpecker...too gristly...besides it takes four and twenty blackbirds to make a decent pie...and only one or two Ivory Bills have been seen so far. ;)
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Well, it seems it only take one windshield for woodpeckers....

I swear to god, at least 5 flew into my windshield when I lived in Hattiesurg MS...


But the 4+20 got me to thinking......


"4 and twenty years ago I come into this world........."
 
Misty_Morning said:
Well, it seems it only take one windshield for woodpeckers....

I swear to god, at least 5 flew into my windshield when I lived in Hattiesurg MS...


But the 4+20 got me to thinking......


"4 and twenty years ago I come into this world........."
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Even four and twenty isn't a lot to eat. Starlings, now, come in clouds and they're a famous dish when grilled whole and served with polenta. A really good use for an alien pest.
 
voluptuary_manque said:
Even four and twenty isn't a lot to eat. Starlings, now, come in clouds and they're a famous dish when grilled whole and served with polenta. A really good use for an alien pest.
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LOL!



Bear, are you sure you ain't a redneck republican from MS?


I'm beginning to think the CA thang is just a front,,,,:D
 
I need to get my first girlfriend cloned so I can see if I can get past second base.
 
As a start we could reintroduce particular animals which are extinct in some environments but not others. For example I would like to see the European species of Brown bears, Wolves, Beavers, Elk and wild Boar reintroduced to the British Isles. Most of these became extinct there since 1200.
 
I agree with the idea of cloning a recently extinct animal that became extinct because of humans.

Because a) they did not die due to climate and habitat changes and b) they are recent enough to still be able to survive in the habitat they naturally lived in because it probably hasnt changed much since when they were there.

But, as for Wooly Mammouths? and such like? no. Not only because they became extinct due to climate etc, they were around way back in the day (around when Amicus was born), and would not survive in the climate etc.
 
rgraham666 said:
We really don't understand the universe enough to play God.
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Well, there was probably a time when being able to make fire was considered playing God.

Anyway, even with woolly mammoths frozen in permafrost, the integrity of the DNA preserved is far, far too low. Anything else, insects in amber, mummified Egyptians, forget it.

Interestingly, as it's pretty likely that Neanderthals interbred with humans, it may be possible one day with smart detective work, to sequence Neanderthal DNA using evidnece from human DNA and ultimately produce a Neanderthal clone.
 
Bring back the Dodo. Christmas dinners just aren't the same.

I'd rather the effort be put into cloning events... there is so much I would have done differently.
 
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