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PROTEST TODAY!! New UK Laws banning BDSM Pornography.

I found out about this by chance but thought it would interest people here.

snoopercharmbrights said:
As some of you will be aware, the UK law on crime and pornography is about to change and I am afraid that has some impact on my present publisher and my own position.

From 26th January it will be an offence if you either live or run a business in the UK to own or disseminate:

1) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which threatens a person`s life.
2) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person`s anus, breasts or genitals.
3) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse.
4) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether
dead or alive).

The "own" provision above means that ANY story which is construed as breaching this law will mean that you risk a criminal record if it is found in your computer.

The same applies to pictures.

Sad, isn't it. that the most horrific murder and mayhem apparently do not encourage people to imitate them, whereas books including sex apparently turn readers into raving maniacs.

Since the law says "material" that includes story ideas or outlines, as well as finished stories.
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Taken from this thread in Story Ideas.

There will be a protest from 2-5pm today at Parliament Square, Westminster, London. See Consenting Adults Action Network for more details.
 
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It's not a ban on BDSM porn in total.

The law is against beastiality (which is just ewww anyway), necrophilia (same, ewwwww), then anything that depicts a threat to life or injury to the genitals.

There are things that could be gotten away with, but its just another case of the government trying to tell us how to be.

They really need to get rid of the stigma that we're all a bunch of freaks.
 
I didn't read anything in that quote that suggests to me that BDSM (as I know it) would be illegal in porn but thanks for the update.
 
wicked woman said:
I didn't read anything in that quote that suggests to me that BDSM (as I know it) would be illegal in porn but thanks for the update.
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I would say that certain activities under the BDSM umbrella will come into that law.

Things like edge play, and I would say possibly whipping breasts etc will come under it, but most activities will be fine.

My wonder is how on earth are they going to police this law? Are they suddenly going to start invading our privacy by nosing around our computers on local network systems?

Quite frankly, anyone who DOES get caught by this law, and they've used methods like that to find the evidence would be well within their right to take it to the european courts under the human rights act.
 
wicked woman said:
I didn't read anything in that quote that suggests to me that BDSM (as I know it) would be illegal in porn but thanks for the update.
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True but it's the thin end of a fairly all encompassing wedge as far as BDSMers are concerned. When I think of some of the nastiness lurking on my harddrive... :eek:

From what I can gather from the CAAN site there's no distinction made between consensual BDSM and abuse or assault/bodily harm. Also, breathplay would come firmly under the heading of "Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which threatens a person`s life." As umbrella terms go, that one could end up bigger than it looks.

I'm not entirely sure how this would affect written erotica but 'pertains to' is also a rather ambiguous choice of wording.

I also wish I was nearer to London but I'm with her in spirit. Well done mylaceratedheart and welcome to Lit.

Way to make an entrance. :catroar:
 
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Does this include stories that we might have written or in the process of writing??

Thanks for starting this thread..

xxx
 
Besides whipping breasts, it would also, to my way of thinking, prohibit anything in regard to piercing breasts, whether temporary or permanent. How about crops and breasts? How does one define "serious injury?" WHO does the defining?

And as VelvetDarkness noted, it's the thin edge of the wedge. If you've ever seen someone splitting logs, you know that once that leading edge is driven in, it only takes one or two more whacks of the hammer to split the wood entirely through. Likewise, any court's slightly broader reading of the vague terms of that law will widen the split, and I doubt that the UK's version of SCOTUS is stocked with any more liberals than SCOTUS is.
 
Homburg said:
Supreme Court of The United States.

Who, I might add, refused to hear a final apeeal on a major anti-porn law here, which had the effect of killing said law by making it unenforcable. Go SCOTUS
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That wouldn't happen there. Our government and court system is too full of stuffy old prudes lol.
 
Sir_Winston54 said:
Yeah, because nobody ever was influenced by the writings of de Sade or anyone who wrote about murder, mayhem, etc.
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Hey, no one ever said our government was intelligent.

They seem to think that this law will stop violent crime and the sort, and make us a less violent society.

Bullshit it will. Majority of the people who access this sort of material are perfectly sane people who access it because its their sort of thing, for enjoyment, not because they're going to watch it then go "RIGHT TIME TO GO RAPE SOMEONE LIKE THIS~!".
 
Anything is justifiable if it "protects the children." Yeah, I know this doesn't mention "the children" but believe me, that's the thought in the back of people's minds.
 
Netzach said:
Anything is justifiable if it "protects the children." Yeah, I know this doesn't mention "the children" but believe me, that's the thought in the back of people's minds.
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It is.

There was a show on Radio 4 the other day that I listened to about porn inthe 21st century and its accessibility because of the internet, and one guy on there talked about how the mobile phone internet providers banned all porn from being accessed unless you could prove you were 18.

He then went on to state that this would be a good idea for the computer internet providers to bring into force.

Um, isn't that what parental control systems are for?

Anyway, I realise the sort of thing we would look at you do want to sheild children from until they're old enough, but we need to stop wrapping kids in cotton wool. It's producing a generation of wimps.
 
Harmony_1985 said:
It is.

There was a show on Radio 4 the other day that I listened to about porn inthe 21st century and its accessibility because of the internet, and one guy on there talked about how the mobile phone internet providers banned all porn from being accessed unless you could prove you were 18.

He then went on to state that this would be a good idea for the computer internet providers to bring into force.

Um, isn't that what parental control systems are for?

Anyway, I realise the sort of thing we would look at you do want to sheild children from until they're old enough, but we need to stop wrapping kids in cotton wool. It's producing a generation of wimps.
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I don't think its producing a generation of wimps, I think its producing a generation of confused kids who are cynical about authority at age 13.
 
00Syd said:
I don't think its producing a generation of wimps, I think its producing a generation of confused kids who are cynical about authority at age 13.
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Over here, majority of children over the age of 10/11 I've met fall into 2 groups.

a) The "you can't touch me" children. The ones who "know" all about the fact its now illegal in the UK to smack your child and the ones that know all they have to say is one simple sentence and they can get you arrested for child abuse or sexual assault. The ones who swagger around saying "you can't do anything about my behaviour else I'll have you arrested".

b) The wimps. These children have the parents who think you shouldn't shout at children and that they should be wrapped up in cotton wool and a nice layer of bubble wrap before they do anything. These parents are the sort who have induced things like games of conkers being stopped in school playgrounds in case a child gets injured. These children are the ones who go home to mum and dad, state they got shouted at at scouts and instead of going "why, what did you do wrong?" get the response "its okay darling, mummy will handle it" then complains about it.

No discipline or too much namby pambying.

Bring back national service I say.

[/rant]

[/thread hijack]
 
VelvetDarkness said:
True but it's the thin end of a fairly all encompassing wedge as far as BDSMers are concerned. When I think of some of the nastiness lurking on my harddrive... :eek:

From what I can gather from the CAAN site there's no distinction made between consensual BDSM and abuse or assault/bodily harm. Also, breathplay would come firmly under the heading of "Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which threatens a person`s life." As umbrella terms go, that one could end up bigger than it looks.

I'm not entirely sure how this would affect written erotica but 'pertains to' is also a rather ambiguous choice of wording.
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These were my thoughts as well. From what I can gather there have been rumblings about this law for quite a while now. The fact that yet another civil freedom has been encroached upon without any form of publicity or public debate is also highly questionable. I know people are unlikely to chat about kinky porn on Newsnight but I really think it's appalling that consenting adults are being criminalised in this way. These laws won't protect people who are abused or forced into producing pornography. They won't protect anybody really. There's no purpose to these laws whatsoever except to get arbitrary access to personal harddrives. Are kinksters in the UK now going to face the same type of prosecution and vilification as child pornographers?

I also wish I was nearer to London but I'm with her in spirit. Well done mylaceratedheart and welcome to Lit.

Way to make an entrance. :catroar:
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Now you made me blush. :eek:
 
Harmony_1985 said:
Over here, majority of children over the age of 10/11 I've met fall into 2 groups.

a) The "you can't touch me" children. The ones who "know" all about the fact its now illegal in the UK to smack your child and the ones that know all they have to say is one simple sentence and they can get you arrested for child abuse or sexual assault. The ones who swagger around saying "you can't do anything about my behaviour else I'll have you arrested".
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Oh how I hate these nasty little brats. Kids are growing up with an almost total lack of discipline these days. The main reason the care system fails so many children is that they are completely unable to discipline them. I'm not suggesting we should bring the canes back but teachers are now advised not to touch a child in any way whatsoever if it can be avoided. What manner of adult does that create? Also, it still remains a final taboo that you can't call someone a shit parent. Challenging adults who are failing to control their kids in public just gets you a load of verbal or even physical abuse. Also, the benefit system has encouraged women to kick out baby after baby that they have zero interest in or concern for just to ensure their benefits won't dry up and they won't be forced to go out and work. I know a woman who has a 3 bedroom house rent free while I pay through the nose to live in a shoebox. Her youngest has just reached school age and she had such a panic when the benefits people threatened to put her on jobseekers that she went out and had a one night stand. Cue brat number 3.

b) The wimps. These children have the parents who think you shouldn't shout at children and that they should be wrapped up in cotton wool and a nice layer of bubble wrap before they do anything. These parents are the sort who have induced things like games of conkers being stopped in school playgrounds in case a child gets injured. These children are the ones who go home to mum and dad, state they got shouted at at scouts and instead of going "why, what did you do wrong?" get the response "its okay darling, mummy will handle it" then complains about it.
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Oh yeah, the health and safety generation who will sue a nursery if their precious poppet manages to shove macaroni up their nose. We're creating a generation of failing parents who blame everyone else within radius and are never challenged or brought to account by society. Kids are getting fatter because mummy and daddy won't let them out of their sight. They'd rather have a fat kid playing computer games under their beady eye than a fit kid who goes out to the park playing football or whatever. My mum actually used to lock us out of the house and demand we sod off and play to get 5 minutes peace and quiet. She'd probably be jailed now. We all know that kids are more likely to get hit by a bus than abducted by a stranger and yet we still insist on scaring the shit out of them with warning stories about poor Maddie McGann. A school near me has just removed their climbing frame because a kid fell off of it - which is exactly what kids are supposed to do. People who think their little tot can reach adulthood without a skinned knee should be shot. These are the people who have disinfected their home from top to bottom, creating MRSA superbugs and kids with no immune systems. As far as I'm concerned, that's as abusive as raising them exclusively on happy meals.

Harmony, I know exactly how you feel.[/rant]
 
mylaceratedheart said:
Oh how I hate these nasty little brats. Kids are growing up with an almost total lack of discipline these days. The main reason the care system fails so many children is that they are completely unable to discipline them. I'm not suggesting we should bring the canes back but teachers are now advised not to touch a child in any way whatsoever if it can be avoided. What manner of adult does that create? Also, it still remains a final taboo that you can't call someone a shit parent. Challenging adults who are failing to control their kids in public just gets you a load of verbal or even physical abuse. Also, the benefit system has encouraged women to kick out baby after baby that they have zero interest in or concern for just to ensure their benefits won't dry up and they won't be forced to go out and work. I know a woman who has a 3 bedroom house rent free while I pay through the nose to live in a shoebox. Her youngest has just reached school age and she had such a panic when the benefits people threatened to put her on jobseekers that she went out and had a one night stand. Cue brat number 3.

Oh yeah, the health and safety generation who will sue a nursery if their precious poppet manages to shove macaroni up their nose. We're creating a generation of failing parents who blame everyone else within radius and are never challenged or brought to account by society. Kids are getting fatter because mummy and daddy won't let them out of their sight. They'd rather have a fat kid playing computer games under their beady eye than a fit kid who goes out to the park playing football or whatever. My mum actually used to lock us out of the house and demand we sod off and play to get 5 minutes peace and quiet. She'd probably be jailed now. We all know that kids are more likely to get hit by a bus than abducted by a stranger and yet we still insist on scaring the shit out of them with warning stories about poor Maddie McGann. A school near me has just removed their climbing frame because a kid fell off of it - which is exactly what kids are supposed to do. People who think their little tot can reach adulthood without a skinned knee should be shot. These are the people who have disinfected their home from top to bottom, creating MRSA superbugs and kids with no immune systems. As far as I'm concerned, that's as abusive as raising them exclusively on happy meals.

Harmony, I know exactly how you feel.[/rant]
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This made me chuckle. :D
 
Oh yeah, it's terrible that we might discourage people from beating on their kids in any degree and that those victimized to the point of wanting to kill themselves in school when they're 14 might have legal recourse.

No, my point is that images are not the problem. Shit parenting is.
 
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