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snoopercharmbrights

snoopercharmbrights

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As some of you will be aware, the UK law on crime and pornography is about to change and I am afraid that has some impact on my present publisher and my own position.

From 26th January it will be an offence if you either live or run a business in the UK to own or disseminate:

1) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which threatens a person`s life.
2) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person`s anus, breasts or genitals.
3) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse.
4) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether
dead or alive).

The "own" provision above means that ANY story which is construed as breaching this law will mean that you risk a criminal record if it is found in your computer.

The same applies to pictures.

Sad, isn't it. that the most horrific murder and mayhem apparently do not encourage people to imitate them, whereas books including sex apparently turn readers into raving maniacs.

Since the law says "material" that includes story ideas or outlines, as well as finished stories.
 
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I'd like to see a pile of my books being burnt in the street as I'm dragged up the court steps.
 
So wait, does this mean when I do another story containing sex and violence you can't edit it for me?

I know you said business and I'm not paying you for the editing but it also says live and far as I know you live in England. :eek:
 
My guess is that, in practice, they'll only be gunning for people who associate this kind of stuff with paedophilia.

Consenting adults using material depicting adults will scarcely be troubled, especially if it is kept to private emailing.

People who try to make a living out of it in a mass production way might be another 'story'...
 
You're kidding! So, is there no violent porn in the UK?

I thought the USA was bad, but at least we do not have laws about the type of stories we can write.

Seems like under those rules, a lot of books would be banned, including some mainstream thrillers.

Wow.....
 
its great here in the uk: theres tonnes of CCTV cameras watching your every move, the council has the right to go through your bins (they say its for recycling) the taxes are some of the highest in the world, im not allowed to smoke in a public place any more (nazi germany anybody?) and now im not going to be able tp buy any more of the violation series of dvds, after all they include anal sex and some very large toys....
 
In certain ways worse than nazi germany, then they had to rely on neighbors, family members and their own 'police' to find the lawbreakers. There they just gotta watch TV and wait for them to screw up, which of course will happen.

Course there is little beyond that to compare present England with nazi germany, nazi germany hunted down jewish peoples, anyone who spoke against hitler and able bodied men who had not already joined the military. Pretty sure that's not happening in England. :rolleyes:
 
Question from accross the pond

How do you folks tolerate that? Here in the colonies we abuse free speech to the point of absurdity. What is the world coming to if we restrict what people can write. Is there truly that much crime that derives from the written word?

Why can't they just enforce the laws they have without added more laws.

Unless of course they are seeking to start a whole new black market for porn?

Words do not make people commit crimes. People commit crime because they can.

My thoughts are with you that it does not impact your source of income.
 
The first time they take someone to the block for a ~story~, the public is going to unload like a fully automatic with a hair trigger and that'll be that.
 
emap said:
So wait, does this mean when I do another story containing sex and violence you can't edit it for me? ...
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Since your writing seems to have dried up, that is a hypothetical question!

emap said:
... as far as I know you live in England. :eek:
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No, but I do not live in England. I live in Tirphil.

What do you mean, you don't know where Tirphil is? It's mid way between Brithdir and Pontlottyn of course, and yes that is in the UK.
 
And once again the air is filled with the lilt of Celtic bristling.

Actually, I do sympathise. It must be fed-up-making to continually be told that places in Wales or Scotland are in England.

What you have to understand is that this is not some kind of Anglo plot. It simply comes about from the attitude of foreigners. For once, the Americans are not unique in their legendary and gobsmacking ignorance of anything beyond their borders. Even people much closer - in European countries, for example - commonly have no understanding of how the UK is made up.

Just one teensy question - would all Welsh people stipulate intelligently and instantly that someone living in Minsk is a Belarus citizen? Or, just because they happen to speak Russian and live roughly in that part of the world, would our worthy Cambrian come out straight away with 'Russian'...?

I think I know what the answer is...

Love the Tal-y-Llyn valley, by the way.
 
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snar said:
You're kidding! So, is there no violent porn in the UK?

I thought the USA was bad, but at least we do not have laws about the type of stories we can write.

Seems like under those rules, a lot of books would be banned, including some mainstream thrillers.

Wow.....
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You'd never get the problem of your government trying to regulate your thoughts or literary tastes. You've got the wonderful First Amendment to protect you.
 
Hey it has not dried up, it's hit a snag that's going away, I just gotta remember what happens after what I have typed up already. :eek:
 
TallDarkandRandom said:
You'd never get the problem of your government trying to regulate your thoughts or literary tastes. You've got the wonderful First Amendment to protect you.
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Actually, for practical purposes, it is really our Supreme Court that saves our ass in cases like this. It is much harder in the USA (believe it or not) than in some other countries to pass sweeping laws like the ones mentioned in the OP because of the judicial system.
 
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Will they actually enforce it though? I reckon things will be ok.
 
Of course they will, on businesses, people on the other hand would be harder unless they are searching the residence already for other things. I'm pretty sure for regular old people this new law will be like having some marijuana in your car when you get pulled over, just an extra crime to tack on if you actually did something wrong. :rolleyes:

I am wondering how long it will take before somebody gets dragged before a judge with this law and gets it overturned because it's not a porn book. :eek:

I mean think about it, porn is a pretty darn broad category, if somebody writes up a conan style book with sex it could be outlawed because of this law. Actually I am going to work on just such a thing eventually, I suppose good I'm not in england. :catroar:
 
Storyfeller said:
My guess is that, in practice, they'll only be gunning for people who associate this kind of stuff with paedophilia.

Consenting adults using material depicting adults will scarcely be troubled, especially if it is kept to private emailing.

People who try to make a living out of it in a mass production way might be another 'story'...
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Now where did you get that?
I didn't see any mention of children.

The word "business" has to be legally defined as either creating, modifying, displaying, distributing, transporting, or exchanging items for money.
If a combination of definitions, it should be stated.

This is actually an amendment to a UK law passed in May 2008.

Edit: I didn't see this part:
snoopercharmbrights said:
The "own" provision above means that ANY story which is construed as breaching this law will mean that you risk a criminal record if it is found in your computer.
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snar said:
Actually, for practical purposes, it is really our Supreme Court that saves our ass in cases like this. It is much harder in the USA (believe it or not) than in some other countries to pass sweeping laws like the ones mentioned in the OP because of the judicial system.
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Does the U.S. Constitution apply to the U.K. as well?
 
snoopercharmbrights said:
As some of you will be aware, the UK law on crime and pornography is about to change and I am afraid that has some impact on my present publisher and my own position.

From 26th January it will be an offence if you either live or run a business in the UK to own or disseminate:

1) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which threatens a person`s life.
2) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person`s anus, breasts or genitals.
3) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse.
4) Material of a pornographic nature that pertains to a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether
dead or alive).

The "own" provision above means that ANY story which is construed as breaching this law will mean that you risk a criminal record if it is found in your computer.

The same applies to pictures.

Sad, isn't it. that the most horrific murder and mayhem apparently do not encourage people to imitate them, whereas books including sex apparently turn readers into raving maniacs.

Since the law says "material" that includes story ideas or outlines, as well as finished stories.
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Eventhough I am against censorship, I would agree with this if "that pertains to" was changed to "that encourages or promotes".
 
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Fantasies_only said:
Eventhough I am against censorship, I would agree with this if "that pertains to" was changed to "that encourages or promotes".
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The law, as you would rewrite it, would still be pretty wide reaching, no? Sounds like you are not really against censorship.

That law (the real one and your proposed edit) scares the pants off me. I'm glad I'm in sunny California.
 
Really sad in so many ways

The key to the legal changes, of course, is the definition of "pornographic material."


If one assumes or can argue legally that pornographic material is defined as bestiality, and/or involving children under the age of XXX, or with those whom it can be demonstrated are of diminished capacity, then this law will have little effect on the broad adult literary community. I think it will be fairly easy to demonstrate several icons of British arts and letters have already run afoul of this language. C. Marlowe, W.S. Shakespeare, G.B. Shaw and of course, James Joyce are writers that come immediately to mind.
 
So, what has the reaction been to this in the UK? Frankly I'm shocked people are not outraged. Aren't you, as citizens, concerned that there are laws dictating what you can write about?
 
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