Should we discard the political label "progressive"? I say no.

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In this recent article, political commentator Michael Lind argues that "progressives" should drop that label and start calling themselves "liberals" again -- revive that once-honorable name, instead of trying to distance themselves from the RW's demonization of it by rebranding. Reasons given:

1) It's futile -- the RW is going to bash the center-left based on its policies, whatever name it uses.

2) Neoliberals have tried to appropriate the name "progressive" for themselves, which makes it rather confusing.

3) Radical leftists -- socialists and Communists of various stripes -- have done the same. (See Henry Wallace' 1948 presidential campaign, as a "Progressive Party" candidate, and also endorsed by the Communists.)

4) There is also risk of confusion with the early 20th-Century Progressives, whose politics were substantially different from all of the above.

5) The word "progressive" is "too German," deriving as it does from Germany's bureaucratically-oriented 19th-Century Deustche Fortschrittspartei (the word Fortschritt means "progress), whereas liberalism proper is rooted in values and civil liberties, not state action.

6) The most interesting objection: The world "progressive" implies "progress," which is not necessarily a liberal value.

Unlike progressivism and conservatism, liberalism is not a name that implies a view that things are either getting better or getting worse. Liberalism is a theory of a social order based on individual civil liberties, private property, popular sovereignty and democratic republican government. Liberals believe that liberal society is the best kind, but they are not committed to believing in universal progress toward liberalism, much less universal progress in general. Many liberals have been skeptical about the idea of unlimited progress and have believed that a liberal society is difficult to establish and easily changed into a nonliberal society.

Because liberalism refers to a particular kind of social order, and does not depend on any implied relationship of the present to the past or future, liberals can be either progressive or conservative, depending on whether they seek to move toward a more liberal system or to maintain a liberal system that already exists. For that matter, liberals can be revolutionary, if creating or establishing a liberal society requires a violent revolution. Liberals can even be counterrevolutionary, if they are defending a liberal society from revolutionary radicals, including anti-liberal revolutionaries of the radical right like Timothy McVeigh or Muslim jihadists.

7) "Liberal" is, or could be once again, a badge of pride. It describes an American political tradition with an honorable history and great achievements to its credit.

Those, then, are six arguments in favor of using liberalism to describe the center-left. I've reserved the seventh for last. The word "liberal" is a badge of pride. What is more embarrassing in 2008, to be associated with self-described liberals like Roosevelt and Johnson, Martin Luther King Jr. and Barbara Jordan, or with conservatives like Reagan and George W. Bush and Tom DeLay? I much prefer the public philosophy of the mid-century liberals, for all their blunders and shortcomings, to that of the three movements in American history that have called themselves progressive: the moderate-to-conservative progressives of the Democratic Leadership Council in the 1980s and 1990s; the deluded pro-Soviet progressives of the mid-20th century; and the Anglo-Protestant elite progressives of the 1900s, who admired Bismarck's Germany and wanted to keep out immigrants and sterilize the native poor.

All very good reasons, to be sure; very persuasive and cogently argued; but I object for the following two reasons:

1) The word "liberal" also is prone to ideological confusion. In the 19th Century it meant more or less what we call "libertarianism" today, which, at least in its modern incarnation, is also very, very different from what Lind considers "liberal" as described above. Some still speak of "classical liberalism."

2) In my judgment, in contemporary American political discourse, the word "progressive" actually means something, and not what Lind seems to think it does. Specifically, it means something well to the left of "liberal" and well to the right of "socialist." It is the political position of Canada's New Democratic Party, and of America's erstwhile NDP-inspired New Party, or the Working Families Party, or the Vermont Progressive Party -- any of which is easily distinguishable from even such a moderate socialist organization as the Democratic Socialists of America. Their politics is that of the social democrats of Europe. They don't envision wholesale expropriation of wealth or socialization of all means of production, but they do regard greater socioeconomic equality as an important end-in-itself, and they do regard movement in that direction as a form of "progress," and they do believe in the idea of "universal progress in general." The American Greens -- at least, the main body of them, the Green Party of the United States -- are a branch of American progressives. (There is also a smaller and distinctly far-leftist, Marxist-influenced party, the Greens/Green Party USA.) And progressivism so defined is an important political tendency, far more important in American politics today than socialism as such -- and, I think may become much more important in coming decades, potentially more important than any other, especially now that conservatism, however defined, has been so thoroughly discredited by events (and, more importantly, doomed to very slow political marginalization due to permanent demographic, generational and cultural changes -- see here, here and here). The word "progressive" is worth preserving in American political discourse because it denotes that political tendency as no other term in current usage adequately does.
 
I just read Eric Alterman's bookk rehabilitating the "liberal" label.

Started off strong, but bogged down in hundreds of pages of whiny rehash of old "talking points".
 
I just read Eric Alterman's bookk rehabilitating the "liberal" label.

Started off strong, but bogged down in hundreds of pages of whiny rehash of old "talking points".

This one? I thought it was pretty good, even if it has not much new to say it organizes and lays all out very well.

But, it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about in the OP.
 
I disregard all labels.

Peel all the labels off, and everyone is just a human.

Well, most are.

;)
 
Why are liberals so afraid to be called Marxist? God knows they aren't interested in liberty, unless it's liberty for people that agree with them. They display only intolerance and ridicule of those who don't.
 
I disregard all labels.

Peel all the labels off, and everyone is just a human.

Well, most are.

;)

Maybe so. But political ideologies, traditions and movements are, like religions, organisms with a life of their own, greater than the sum of their followers as you are greater than the sum of your cells. And we do need names for them.
 
Why are liberals so afraid to be called Marxist? God knows they aren't interested in liberty, unless it's liberty for people that agree with them. They display only intolerance and ridicule of those who don't.
Why are conservatives so afraid to be called corporate statists? God knows you aren't interested in liberty, unless it's liberty for the rich and corporate elite. Conservatives have a history of showing intolerance for blacks, anti-war activists, native Americans, the Japanese, gays, Muslims, Liberals, the working class, and let's not forget abortion clinics plus the odd FBI building and the workers therein.

What? Nothing else to say? Oh look, off2bed is running for the door. Heh.
 
Why are liberals so afraid to be called Marxist? God knows they aren't interested in liberty, unless it's liberty for people that agree with them. They display only intolerance and ridicule of those who don't.

Nice generalization.

I guess by your simplified logic this means all conservatives are bigoted stereotypers?
 
Maybe so. But political ideologies, traditions and movements are, like religions, organisms with a life of their own, greater than the sum of their followers as you are greater than the sum of your cells. And we do need names for them.

It all boils down to biological necessity.

I can call myself a "Breatharian", but I still will need to eat.

:p
 
KingO says:

"Should we discard the political label "progressive"? I say no."

Well looking back at the failures of Socialism and Communism...I say yes. Let's call a spade a spade and call them "regressive".

What failures of socialism?

Europe and Scandanavia are kicking ass.
 
From "The American Paradox," by Ted Halstead, published in The Atlantic Monthly, January/February 2003:

Nothing illustrates America's profound contradictions more starkly than a comparison with other advanced democracies: among these the United States is either the very best or the very worst performer on a wide range of social and economic criteria. We are simultaneously the leader and the laggard among our peers—almost always exceptional, almost never in the middle.

Without question we are the richest, most powerful, and most creative nation on the planet. Our economic and military might stems from our embrace of a particularly high-octane brand of capitalism, supported by financial markets that are deeper and broader than any others, labor markets that are more flexible, and a culture of entrepreneurialism that is unparalleled. These attributes have turned America into the world's unrivaled engine of innovation and wealth creation. We boast more patent applications than the entire European Union; almost three times as many Nobel laureates as Britain, our closest competitor; and more business start-ups per capita than almost every other advanced democracy. One in twelve Americans will start his or her own business, evincing another outstanding American trait—our great tolerance for risk. And our export of movies, television shows, music, and fast-food chains makes us, for better or worse, the dominant cultural force on the globe.

But like the Roman god Janus, America has two faces. Despite being the richest nation on the planet, we suffer from higher rates of poverty, infant mortality, homicide, and HIV infection, and from greater economic inequality, than other advanced democracies. We have far more uninsured citizens, and a lower life expectancy. On a per capita basis the United States emits considerably more greenhouse gases and produces more solid waste. We spend more per student on K-12 education than almost all other modern democracies, yet our students perform near the bottom on international tests. We have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and among the highest proportions of single parents, and American parents have the least amount of free time to spend with their children; indeed, the average American works nine weeks more each year than the average European. Our performance on many social indicators is so poor, in fact, that an outsider looking at these numbers alone might conclude that we were a developing nation.

How do we reconcile these two faces of America? To a remarkable degree the United States seems to have exchanged social cohesion and a broad-based middle class for economic dynamism and personal freedom. Have we abandoned what used to be referred to as the common good?

<snip>

THE TWO FACES OF AMERICA

This list of "bests" and "worsts" is based on a variety of sources—including statistics from the United Nations, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, and a number of other groups and experts—but the basic criteria are consistent. Among advanced democracies, America had to rank in the top three for a category to be listed under "bests" and in the bottom three for a category to be listed under "worsts." (Where applicable, all rankings were determined on a rate basis or as a percentage of population.)

Bests-------------------------------------------------Worsts

Gross domestic product------------------------------Poverty
Productivity---------------------------------------------Economic inequality
Business start-ups------------------------------------Carbon-dioxide emissions
Long-term unemployment---------------------------Life expectancy
Expenditure on education---------------------------Infant mortality
University graduates----------------------------------Homicide
R&D expenditure---------------------------------------Health-care coverage
High-tech exports--------------------------------------HIV infection
Movies exported---------------------------------------Teen pregnancy
Breadth of stock ownership--------------------------Personal savings
Volunteerism--------------------------------------------Voter participation
Charitable giving---------------------------------------Obesity

Each approach to the social contract has its pluses and minuses, of course, but on balance America has made a very bad bargain for itself and should learn from the examples of others.

Progressives can make that happen.
 
Why are conservatives so afraid to be called corporate statists? God knows you aren't interested in liberty, unless it's liberty for the rich and corporate elite. Conservatives have a history of showing intolerance for blacks, anti-war activists, native Americans, the Japanese, gays, Muslims, Liberals, the working class, and let's not forget abortion clinics plus the odd FBI building and the workers therein.

What? Nothing else to say? Oh look, off2bed is running for the door. Heh.
Just like I thought. There's a smoking crater where Off2bed once stood. :D
 
KingO says:

"Should we discard the political label "progressive"? I say no."

Well looking back at the failures of Socialism and Communism...I say yes. Let's call a spade a spade and call them "regressive".

You poor pathetic thing. You didn't understand a single word of the OP, did you? You are mentally incapable of viewing the left side of the spectrum save through the wrong end of a telescope.
 
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