Racism: Unbelievable surprise at Lit

createashemale

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Oh, I know, can you believe that? Just like taking a black friend of yours out for a business lunch and having the greeter at the door saying, "OK, we have a table over here, but I'm afraid that your black friend will have to go to the kitchen to have their meal. We don't like niggers in the front; it's bad for business." And I actually believed that writers of any stripe would not be using the racism card at a forum for authors, let alone something that might have to do with sex, but I get surprised every day at what I find in the world. Yep, I've been the only black writer in a press box filled with whites before, too; in Augusta, Georgia, no less. I got the looks, the stares, people backing off as I walked by them, afraid that this light skinned African-American, who looks more like a white person with a bad tan, was going to rob them, or show booty, or who knows what.

But really, I want to know why one writer is going to knock another writer over their race by using terms and phrases that are designed specifically to offend, and then get others in these forums to join in. How is that advancing the art of writing? I don't know...I guess it is possible that perhaps those who proclaim they are from European countries might be Afrikaaners from South Africa or white farmers who were forced out of Zimbabwe, and have lingering bitterness over their predicament.

But if you are actually, under some kind of exceptionally weird coincidence, an African-American reading this post, the racism part was not the worst thing that I have experienced or witnessed on this board, at least to this point. I was pretty horrified to see another writer (I found that out yesterday) absolutely set upon by many of the people who will read this for doing nothing more than promoting a hypothesis, and challenging someone to prove her wrong. All of those who decided to have a hand in running her out of here never really did address her comments. All that was done was the same thing that was done to me: Basically a bunch of KKK types, probably in pressed robes, toting guns, sitting in their pickup trucks with Nascar stickers on the bumper, up on blocks in the front yard, teleconferencing each other as to who would take the next shot at being personal and offensive. People, people! Please, if you feel like you must insist on being such "closet racists", then do us black folk a favor and at least show up at the conventions with some kind of flag on your tshirt that has stars and bars on it. This way we can at least know who you are and try to determine how big this scourge is that still exists today.

Myself, the person who was run off the site, her father, all of us were just incredibly confounded at the whole process. Black folk buy books too. Now granted, there are a number of us who are not interested in Donald Rumsfeld or Cheney, or even David Duke for that matter; although I would venture to say that there are plenty in the audience out there who either read their writings, or listen to their speeches, and are in total agreement with their assaults on black folk. I think the power of the purse is a great thing. I strongly believe that if you promote racist thinking, race baiting, the mob mentality of the "get that nigger crowd", then you should not have your works available for sale in the major book chain stores like B & N, Amazon.com, or any of a number of other places. Black folk like myself could find use for your kind of books maybe for kindling for my fireplace, but really; I would rather use a much more well known writer like David Brooks, or William Crystal for that.

Now, I have not had the circulation of a Clarence Page, or many of my other fellow brother and sister journalists, but the people who have read my work have never really had any comments on my race. No one called me a monkey (as I was called about 80 times on this board yesterday), or any other racist comment. Many people look at me and don't know that this is my racial heritage. I know that it's hard to tell that Paula Abdul is black, and it is probably exceptionally difficult for the white people, who most likely have only seen her on American Idol. Yet, neither of these people are being called "monkey". by their peers. Where does this come from?

I have an idea. Since you folk like stereotypes, let me throw out some. Just for a fun, good 'ol time, with all of you good 'ol boys. These are only speculative thoughts, but taken from actual reasons given for violent assaults against African-Americans. Ready? Ok, Mr. WASP, Super Racist you:

Did not make the varsity basketball team as a senior in high school. You shot 45% from the field, but did not even make the reserves, because a black player came in as a freshman at 6"10" and 265, and they needed a presence in the middle, and the other shooting guard spots on the team were held down by 19 year old African-American seniors who didnt graduate with their class.

Lost your white girlfriend to one of those other shooting guards on the team.

Tried to date an African-American girl at the community college you were attending, but got told that your package just wasn't big enough.

Lost the last scholarship place to go to Stanford, which was why you were in a commiunitty college to begin with.

Ok, I think I proved my point. See, not once did I actually use an animal reference in that display of farce.

I know there are some good folk around SOMEWHERE in this place. So, where are you?
 
I'm not sure who said what to you or in what realm of the forums, but I get the general idea of how it made you feel.

I'm a white girl, but I've got a past and I've got a million reasons (not the least of which being that I'm lesbian) why people give me a rough time and show prejudice toward me. I've not had that experience here much, but wherever people get together in social scenarios, you'll have folks who say shit that ought not be said.

I can't speak for anyone else around here, but for my part, I'm not racist or bigoted at all. I've been on the receiving end of too many jibes about my sexual preferences to throw stones at anyone for any reason.
 
......Ok, I think I proved my point.....

Ummm.... proved your point? I can't even tell what your point is! Are you saying you've observed racist behavior here at the Lit boards? An example or a quote or a citation would go a long way toward illustrating your point.

For all the faults I've seen round here, racism isn't one of them. Rampant pinhead-ism, yes, but no racism......Carney
 
Ummm.... proved your point? I can't even tell what your point is! Are you saying you've observed racist behavior here at the Lit boards? An example or a quote or a citation would go a long way toward illustrating your point.

For all the faults I've seen round here, racism isn't one of them. Rampant pinhead-ism, yes, but no racism......Carney[/QUOTE

Originally Posted by Homburg View Post
You confuse me monkey. Less modern interpretive dance, more rump-shaking.

I guess now I am "fully sourced", writing while black, eh Carnevil9? All of us black writers wind up doing twice the sourcing for the same story, just to get past the all-white editor caste. You didn't know? Tsk, tsk, must not have seen any of Spike Lee's work. Again, not surprising.
 
CREATEASHEMALE

Dear, if you knew how little and seldom white people think about blacks, you'd be pissed. I only think about blacks because I have biracial grandchildren.

Speaking on behalf of the entire white race, we couldnt care less about your race because class is what matters to us. Generally speaking, we toss blacks into the same tank with Crackers, trailer-trash, Mexican illegals, and red necks. Race has nuthin to do with our prejudice. We dont like anyone with bad hair and bad teeth and bad breath and bad manners.
 
What? No comment on my opinion piece?

I suppose that could explain your profile picture.

Reminds me of the "no comment" answers I used to get to any number of the affirmative action questions I have asked over time...
 
Oh, give it a break PrincessGoddess, or whatever alt you are using now...so nice of you to tell us you have several alts, but they really are not very cleverly designed when the physical description and location remain the same. It also wasn't smart to tell us that you have a history of posting under one name and then dropping that name and starting a new one, repeatedly..as people told you, unless you change your behaviour, changing your name will not result in people liking you.

Thanks for removing all your posts from the BDSM forum, though it was pointless given many of them are already quoted, and I suspect after the site was made aware of you threatening posters with physical violence, and to close Lit down permanently with legal action including charges of child porn, they have made sure they have a copy of it all. As you already saw, I do not make threats meant to intimidate as you do, then run crying to daddy, I actually notify the correct people as to the threats you have made in terms of physical violence against posters, sending your posse to do your dirty work so you won't be implicated, etc., and do something. BTW, apart from the quotes of your posts, I am sure like myself, most still have the multitude of abusive PM's you sent to them because they dared to disagree with you and refuse to worship at your sorry feet.

You no doubt wish you had half the integrity of Homburg...not a chance of it happening ever I suspect. Good luck though, you need it.

Catalina:catroar:
 
Wow. That was quite something you needed to get off you chest there.
Well, I'll say two things to that. First, there are people who hate black folks/white folks/short people/women/gays/old people etc, everywhere--Lit is not some magical exeption to that. Secondly, in the time I've spent over in the poetry forum (where I know the person you quoted often posts), I've seen just about everyone who's considered silly by someone else be called a monkey here for their amusement, regardless of their race.

ETA: If you have an issue with someone who rarely if ever hangs out here, why do we get the rant?
 
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You no doubt wish you had half the integrity of Homburg...not a chance of it happening ever I suspect. Good luck though, you need it.

Catalina:catroar:

Originally Posted by Homburg View Post
You confuse me monkey. Less modern interpretive dance, more rump-shaking.

I am accustomed to racists taking up for other racists. I am certain that Homberg must have taken a long listen to his KKK rally songs, searching for the right noun to call me. The Netherlands has a major problem with racial intolerance, and you prove here just how much you agree with that type of mentality.
 
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Reminds me of the "no comment" answers I used to get to any number of the affirmative action questions I have asked over time...

Patience, please.

If that is you in your profile picture I'm not sure why you got the responses you did, unless something else was in play.
 
Ummm.... proved your point? I can't even tell what your point is! Are you saying you've observed racist behavior here at the Lit boards? An example or a quote or a citation would go a long way toward illustrating your point.

For all the faults I've seen round here, racism isn't one of them. Rampant pinhead-ism, yes, but no racism......Carney[/QUOTE

Originally Posted by Homburg View Post
You confuse me monkey. Less modern interpretive dance, more rump-shaking.

I guess now I am "fully sourced", writing while black, eh Carnevil9? All of us black writers wind up doing twice the sourcing for the same story, just to get past the all-white editor caste. You didn't know? Tsk, tsk, must not have seen any of Spike Lee's work. Again, not surprising.

Carney ... here are a few sources for you --

Until this thread, Createashemale had all of TWO, yes TWO posts in the AH ... one of which was an entry in the Word Chains thread. The other was a single post starting a thread on 10 steps of how to deal with people out to get you on threads by taking the high road and using facts and big words to drive them away. Since several of the respondants were definitely not AH regulars, it really came across as something that was most likely a fight started somewhere else brought here.

As for fights started elsewhere, apparently all of the racist conversation that is being placed at our feet happened in BDSM Talk threads, not here in the AH.

Lit is simply a microcosm of society as a whole and, whether we like to admit it or not, there is still racism and bigotry in the world -- and hence, there is still racism and bigotry here at Lit. Just like in the real world, there are some places that are worse and some places that are better, but regardless of where you look, both are still there. I would like to believe that the AH is one of the better places, but I would be naive to believe that racism and bigotry don't exist here as they do everywhere else.

But to bring you problems from another board and drop the guilt on us is not fair, nor is it a responsible way to make your point. This is not where you were "wronged" and it is not where Lit showed you it's true colors. To make us the target for your attacks is no more right than attacks leveled at you to begin the whole process.
 
It sounds to me like there are sockpuppets in play! Anyone with a past on Usenet will know the techniques. :)

This whole thread is a troll.
 
Wow. That was quite something you needed to get off you chest there.
Well, I'll say two things to that. First, there are people who hate black folks/white folks/short people/women/gays/old people etc, everywhere--Lit is not some magical exeption to that. Secondly, in the time I've spent over in the poetry forum (where I know the person you quoted often posts), I've seen just about everyone who's considered silly by someone else be called a monkey here for their amusement, regardless of their race.

ETA: If you have an issue with someone who rarely if ever hangs out here, why do we get the rant?

Racism in the world of journalism is our taboo. It was on full display in the media coverage of Jackie Robinson's entry into Major League Baseball. He was called a monkey also. Now it is more subtle, practiced "out of sight" of writers like myself, then, the cat, I mean the Catalina, jumps out of the bag. At least I can still keep my wits about myself when false accusations are leveled against me. I guess that comes from interviewing too many firefighters while the soles of my shoes are melting from the still hot embers under my feet.
 
Originally Posted by Homburg View Post
You confuse me monkey. Less modern interpretive dance, more rump-shaking.

I am accustomed to racists taking up for other racists. I am certain that Homberg must have taken a long listen to his KKK rally songs, searching for the right noun to call me. The Netherlands has a major problem with racial intolerance, and you prove here just how much you agree with that type of mentality.

LOL, yep you would know...I'm guessing you have never set foot outside the US. Yanno what, I live in a neighbourhood renowned for being multiracial and multicultural...not just a couple, but several nationalities all getting along fine with each other and the Dutch. We even have a whole street of restaurants from each of those nationalities, and the Dutch. Add to that I am married to someone from a different culture myself, and NESB, who has been here 36 years now and initially as a political refugee, and I also have a reputation professionally and personally for working and living with people from various cultures before leaving Oz.

Of course, I am hoping that when the people here begin getting threatened with physical violence from you and your friends you will call on as we did in the BDSM forum because we refused to post what you wanted and stay out of 'your' threads, they too will contact the site owners and once again you will be informed about free speech and brought to the site owners attention as happened today. And as we know, your response was to say you and daddy will be going to his attorneys tomorrow to get Lit shut down. Running to daddy at your age is really pathetic IMO. You really have serious issues you need to deal with before taking on more than you can chew, especially legally in terms of electronic stalking and threats of violence which are legally punishable. Oh, and BTW, the reference to monkey being taken as a racist statement is just as I pointed out about people who see child porn everywhere where it isn't...it is what is in their mind, not the person stating it...so that makes you the racist if being called a monkey immediately computes to racist for you.:rose:

Catalina:catroar:

Just thought as you are here now I would let you know something I was seeking information on before I told you it was actually true...I have had confirmation from a professional in the field just now. If you delete the posts from the forum as you did, in an effort to not have as much visible proof of your threats to have people taken care of, physical assault to me, threatening stalking like behaviour, you have wasted your time as anything you placed as a post and deleted is still inside your computer. So to make it simpler, if you do actually do more than threaten and go with daddy to his attorney's, and they actually decide to investigate your claims, then of course if they speak to any of us and hear what you were threatening, they will be silly to not cover their butts by having your computer professionally looked at to retrieve all you have ever done on it, deleted or not.
 
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OK, I don't know any of the people involved in this fight - atleast not under the screen names listed above - but I HAVE seen racism on Lit. I've been victim of Indirect Racism, ie I've had racists send me nasty comments on my stories. I can never understand what racists are doing browsing the Interracial section...:rolleyes:

Seriously, there are racists everywhere in society, and there are also misunderstood intentions. I talked to my ex some time ago, and he complained that there was a lot mor racism in our town these days. He gets The Looks wherever he goes. I pointed out that I often look twice at all black guys I meet/drive by/pass in a hallway/etc, because I happen to find black men attractive, and so I check out every black man I see, just to see if he's cute, in which case I'll go into Flirt Mode.
My friend responded that while this might be true in my case, he very much doubted that 70-year-old grumpy old men were checking him out in stores.

Racism is a complicated thing. We have real racists, we have people acting suspisciously without that being their intention, we have people misreading the latter, we have people actively looking for racism in their daily life, and we have oblivious white people who don't believe there could really be that much racism out there, because they - naturally - never encounter it themselves.

Dating black men, I've had my eyes opened on numerous occasions - you wouldn't believe the shit that total strangers feel they have the right to come up and say to you!!!

I continue doing my bit to fight against it. I object to so called "funny" jokes, and I hang out with my friends of all nations, not just behind closed doors but out in the open, to make it less of a big deal for people to see mixed colours hang out together.
 
Racism in the world of journalism is our taboo. It was on full display in the media coverage of Jackie Robinson's entry into Major League Baseball. He was called a monkey also. Now it is more subtle, practiced "out of sight" of writers like myself, then, the cat, I mean the Catalina, jumps out of the bag. At least I can still keep my wits about myself when false accusations are leveled against me. I guess that comes from interviewing too many firefighters while the soles of my shoes are melting from the still hot embers under my feet.

Considering your response has nothing to do with what I posted, you've made your intent here quite clear. Point taken.
 
Ah. Now, I get it. This is an "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it any more" random thread designed to inflame people with no real intention other than that. (shakes head)
 
If I ask for someone to explain to me what brought this on,

in as simpe terms as possible, (assume I'm an idiot)

what happened where and who said what when to who,

what are the odds I'll get a comprehensive answer?
 
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