Adieu

“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”
Dr. Seuss

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I am always who I am, nothing more, and certainly nothing less, I have always spoken my mind, and will continue to.
I have grown tired of these boards, I have made good friends here, and those I will cherish.
As for the rest................
You can wallow in your crap, your jealousy, pettiness, and falsehoods. The drama here is completely unnecessary, when you learn what's really important in life, you will all see how trivial you are.
As many attack my little girl, just as many send her PM's telling her how right she is, they just don't have the balls or nerve, to dare I say, BE TRUTHFUL! The attacks on her have been ongoing, and considerably more vicious.
She bows to one, that is me, I do not need your approval to own her. She is strong minded, yes, but just as obedient and respectful to me.
She speaks her mind, is that wrong, no, I support that.
Stay online, and be miserable about yourselves, enjoy the flatness of "online relationships", and keep fooling yourself and others with your bullshit.

“The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.”
Carlos Castaneda

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I bid all of you Adieu, I will no longer peruse these boards, or add my comments.
I could care less what you think of me, or my slave, because it only matters what we think of each other.
I will not reply to any PMs, or comments left here because I am done here. My friends, and you know who you are, feel free to contact me

Turn off your computers every now and then, and GET A FUCKING LIFE.

It does not make sense to remain part of a community if you don't think the opinions of the members of that community matter.

I think there is a way to express your opinions, disagree vehemently and also show basic human respect, as I said with respect to both his and biatchinfire. But again, this sentiment:

I could care less what you think of me, or my slave, because it only matters what we think of each other.

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isn't really conducive to being part of a community, online or real life.

IYM,

i am sorry to see You leave, but as stated in a prior post; i have always held utmost respect for You.

What was said in that post needed to be said, has been, and hopefully; is over completely.

My respects to You

Below are my feelings as posted in a PM to h_i_s. I wanted to express it here as well.


Plain and simple- I have enough conflict in my life as it is without causing or having conflicts here. I sent a copy of what was happening to Jim b/c I respect his opinion and wanted his thoughts on the situation before I acted. While he agrees with you and me that BF was out of line, he instructed me to stay out of it. He agreed sending you a PM would be best, to root you on from the side lines so to speak, but to voice an opinion about it would only bring further 'fuel to the fire'. "From the looks of it, this spit fire doesn't need your or anyone else's help. She will be just fine, baby," he said. He is helping me learn to pick my battles and to eliminate unnecessary stress. Now, after reading what IYM wrote about us being 'cowards' for not supporting you publicly, I feel conflicted- something I wanted to avoid.

No one knows here, but I had a blood vessel pop behind my eye because of a migraine last week that caused me to be rushed to the ER. Along with the fear of losing my sight, we were also scared there might have been something else going on too. I've suffered from migraines all my life, but rupturing vessels is serious business. After everything last week, Jim thought it best I sit out of this issue.... now I feel badly that I did. More internal conflict.

I support you, beautiful, always have. While the situation got waaay out of hand, it was very clear to many the issue never needed to happen in the first place. It was also very clear to me (and others) the apology addressed to you was trite and belittling at the most. Point blank, plain and simple, BF was in the wrong and refused to be responsible for what she said to the one (and only) apparent individual she offended. Whether she accepts it or not, what she said was inappropriate.

The moment I sent you my PM, beautiful, I dropped the issue. I didn't want to follow the conflict any more and refused to go any further into it. I personally believe the only reason it went as far as it did is due to the following it developed. If everyone else had stayed out of it it would have died long ago. Instead now we are losing a precious member of our boards because of it and we all lose. Sadness ensues.

I am sorry IYM is leaving, however it is his choice to do so. While he will be sorely missed I will respect his decision and wish him farewell. Please tell him I wish him all the best and to take care. Maybe with all that he is dealing with, the lack of this site in his life would be better for him.

In general I am an extremely non-confrontational person. I tend to sit back and observe and not get involved in other peoples disagreements. I pick my battles. But in this case I just couldn't keep quiet. I am sat quietly time and again and watched sinn0cent/h.i.s go ballistic on someone for making a mistake or a basic misunderstanding or difference of opinion. BF made a mistake, yes. but she didn't deserve the treatment that she recieved. And I certainly didn't derserve to be called a cunt because I stated my opinion.

But I guess only sinn/h.i.s is entitled to voice her opinion, no one else.

IYM, i am sorry to see you go. Even though i VEHEMENTLY disagree with many of your opinions, especially regarding relationships, i considered you a valuable asset to this community.

As for my comments to Sinn... i HAVE the balls to be truthful. She insulted someone's unborn child. That to ME is LOW...like scum-sucking low. i have no problem saying that directly to her face, here in public, for everyone to see. Does it mean that i do not like her as a person? No...It means that i don't like that particular behavior and i am confident enough and woman enough to say so.

i wish you the best...

I stopped reading the Isolated Blurt and Dear X threads a while back, among others. I did so out of a conscious decision to avoid drama on Lit, and those thread attract it like frat boys to drunk cheerleaders. It works wonders, but it also means that sometimes drama involving your friends slides right on by and I don't notice it.

IYM, h_i_s, please be aware that it was ignorance on my part, not a choice not to support. You probably won't see this, but you two are great people, period. Loved hanging out with you at the FFF, and look forward to doing so again soon.

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SweetGigi said:

No one knows here, but I had a blood vessel pop behind my eye because of a migraine last week that caused me to be rushed to the ER. Along with the fear of losing my sight, we were also scared there might have been something else going on too. I've suffered from migraines all my life, but rupturing vessels is serious business. After everything last week, Jim thought it best I sit out of this issue.... now I feel badly that I did. More internal conflict.

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Gigi, please take care of yourself, darlin. Keep us posted on this.

*hugs*

Is it not basic logic to assume if you post something that could be considered controversial that someone, or many someones is going to respond? Every time I post something it's with the knowledge that there are many opinions here, and a lot of the time they don't agree with the same ideas that I do. Isn't that kinda the whole point of a message board..to see other opinions. I KNOW that if I make a post calling someone a cunt, or insulting their unborn, that it's going to result in some strong opinions. So honestly in that type of situation my grandmother had some very good advice when I was young. "If you can't take the heat little girl, stay out of the kitchen". If you don't want to hear what people are going to say if you post something like that..then don't fucking post it.

I know that at times I can get very sarcastic, and have very strong opinions. But, like I said in the Dear X, I have never posted calling someone a cunt, or resorted to name calling, it's childish and plain stupid. BF and I have had very different opinions and squabbles in the past, that's common knowledge, but in my posts to her I have always tried to show her my side of things. My intent was never to make a pregnant woman cry herself to sleep. And with the things Sinn posted, I'm sure she did. I can't imagine how I would feel if someone insulted my unborn, or took shots at why someone I loved deeply didn't find me good enough. It's not making a point, it's not defending yourself, it's plain fucking mean, nasty, and childish.

INSIDEYOURMIND said:

I am always who I am, nothing more, and certainly nothing less, I have always spoken my mind, and will continue to.
I have grown tired of these boards, I have made good friends here, and those I will cherish.
As for the rest................
You can wallow in your crap, your jealousy, pettiness, and falsehoods. The drama here is completely unnecessary, when you learn what's really important in life, you will all see how trivial you are.
As many attack my little girl, just as many send her PM's telling her how right she is, they just don't have the balls or nerve, to dare I say, BE TRUTHFUL! The attacks on her have been ongoing, and considerably more vicious.
She bows to one, that is me, I do not need your approval to own her. She is strong minded, yes, but just as obedient and respectful to me.
She speaks her mind, is that wrong, no, I support that.
Stay online, and be miserable about yourselves, enjoy the flatness of "online relationships", and keep fooling yourself and others with your bullshit.

I bid all of you Adieu, I will no longer peruse these boards, or add my comments.
I could care less what you think of me, or my slave, because it only matters what we think of each other.
I will not reply to any PMs, or comments left here because I am done here. My friends, and you know who you are, feel free to contact me

Turn off your computers every now and then, and GET A FUCKING LIFE.

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This post is meanspirited and vindictive. Full of contradictions, double standards, and distortions.

Drama with a big, fat, capital "D".

And all that just cuz I have used h_i_s name as an example for nice sexy thin girl she deffo is....

She get pissed - I get pissed right back yes. I was ironic and called her princess - she called me simple minded dumb cunt. As much as I think her calling me names was a bit too much to mine "princess" I was/am still okay with it and I didnt call her names back. She told me hers - I told her mine. Think it was needed and fair. You cannot talk the way she did about me and my child and expect I wont defend myself. Still, after all those shits she have said about me I think I told her mine in a respectful way.

On boards like this one will always be people who will disagree with you now and then. As I said I have had few disagreements with some people here before, but somehow we always get past that. They prolly still dissagree with me and I mostlikely still dissagree with them, but I got no need, never had the need, to call them names and talk shit about them, its just not needed I think.

When I read the posts and comments here I agree with some - disagree with some and its okay I think. You cannot agree with everyone as we are all different and have very different opinions and point of views. 100 people = 100 different opinions and I really think when you post on boards like this one, you can say what you think, but you need to be able to respect opinion of someone else as well. You have your own opinion and nobody says you cannot say it, but dont get mad when someone else says their opinion and that opinion doesnt match with yours? At least thats what I think its needed so boards like this one survives.


As for me not giving h_i_s a proper apology except the ironic one where I called her princess I can say just this. I didnt tell her my real sorry cuz I think I didnt said anything insulting or ignorant about her at all. I said my man like girls like her, very nice thin girls!! Does that sound insulting and ignorant to you??? Not to me I am sorry, so forgive me if I just dont have the need to give her an apology. I used her name as an example of female beauty she surely is. I used her as example of someone whos wanted and desired by men and belive it or not, not even for a damn second I meant it in a bad way!!! OMG is that ignorant to say about someone shes nice, thin and sexy? I am sorry but I dont think so, so no apology will happen.

If I've said she's skinny ignorant cunt I would feel the need to tell her "I am sorry h_i_s", but I just said shes nice.... ~sigh~

As for her not wanting her name draged over the boards - Etoile and HottieMama told me it was wrong from me. I agreed and said I wont do that again and I wont. For me it would be closed if she didnt start the thread where she called me names and said shits about my unborn. I didnt want to reply to that at all first, but I couldnt help it, I am sorry.... I am tired of people who think they can everything while the rest will just stfu. It doesnt work like that. Feel free to tell me what you think, but do not expect me to stay quiet when you call me names and take my unborn into your mouth.

I know there is few people who agree with me and prolly lots of people who disagree with me and its okay. I dont have a prob when my and someone else opinions differs. I have had disagreement with nh23 as she mentoined, we worked it out I think. Shes still here and so am I. I respect her and she respect me. I have totaly no need to call her dumb cunt or anything like that. I dont think thats what normal people does when someone does not agree with them, dunno.


I dont get this statement I must say.

I could care less what you think of me, or my slave, because it only matters what we think of each other.

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It sounds like you dont care of anyone else opinion except yours and h_i_s. Cannot imagine how this works if you wanna post on boards like this one where if you say something, there always be someone who will disagree. Does that make them dumb cunt's? I dont think so.

Good bye.

I'm sure everyone knows my opinion on this, and a lot of other people have managed to express how I feel much better than I'm sure I ever could.

I'll let those other posts speak for me because I have a bit of a temper and I'm sure any response from me would be a lot less civilized and include quite a few more expletives.

I'm sorry that IYM is leaving, I've never had a conversation with him or anything, but I've read his posts and while I haven't always agreed I think for the most part he is very articulate and intelligent.

Its too bad that people don't always get along, but thats just the way it is. I think the occasional disagreement is worth the ability to speak our minds and express our opinions. But if you only respect your own opinion or those from a few select people, your going to disagree a lot. That sort of attitude isn't very helpful to an open environment where people can come together and discuss things.

*sigh*

Anyway... other people have made my point better than I ever could. I hope this doesn't continue for too much longer... if IYM can't handle it and wants to leave...okay. The rest of us can continue on just fine.

BiaTcHiNFiRe said:

As for me not giving h_i_s a proper apology except the ironic one where I called her princess I can say just this. I didnt tell her my real sorry cuz I think I didnt said anything insulting or ignorant about her at all. I said my man like girls like her, very nice thin girls!! Does that sound insulting and ignorant to you??? Not to me I am sorry, so forgive me if I just dont have the need to give her an apology. I used her name as an example of female beauty she surely is. I used her as example of someone whos wanted and desired by men and belive it or not, not even for a damn second I meant it in a bad way!!! OMG is that ignorant to say about someone shes nice, thin and sexy? I am sorry but I dont think so, so no apology will happen.

If I've said she's skinny ignorant cunt I would feel the need to tell her "I am sorry h_i_s", but I just said shes nice.... ~sigh~

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I saw the initial comment where you mentioned that your husband likes thin women and then compared them to His/Sinn. I was reading some hostility and discontent from you regarding the fact that the women your husband chooses to run around with are thin. The emotional upset I know lies with your issues with your husband, but feeling animosity toward the women is understandable as well. (Personally I think you're quite saintly.)

I didn't imagine it, and His/Sinn didn't either. Now you seem like an incredibly sweet person, and I don't think you were singling His/Sinn out, but just the overall animosity toward thin women was present.

Today I'm catching up from the weekend as I was working and I wasn't reading all of the threads.
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Maybe this will help explain.

His/Sinn has/had various medical issues in the past where she very nearly lost her life, and if you've read IYM's posts, her putting on weight is tremendous for her. She's very sensitive about it. A mock apology was just the icing on the cake.

Now I'm not condoning the way she handled it, but I still think she's a lovely person (I don't like the situation, but I still like the person), and so is IYM. Like I said, you're sweet, and I think it's great that you didn't name call - kudos.

This is just such an unfortunate misunderstanding. I hope everyone works it out.

Best of luck to you with the baby. *hugs*

BiaTcHiNFiRe said:

As for me not giving h_i_s a proper apology except the ironic one where I called her princess I can say just this. I didnt tell her my real sorry cuz I think I didnt said anything insulting or ignorant about her at all. I said my man like girls like her, very nice thin girls!! Does that sound insulting and ignorant to you??? Not to me I am sorry, so forgive me if I just dont have the need to give her an apology. I used her name as an example of female beauty she surely is. I used her as example of someone whos wanted and desired by men and belive it or not, not even for a damn second I meant it in a bad way!!! OMG is that ignorant to say about someone shes nice, thin and sexy? I am sorry but I dont think so, so no apology will happen.

If I've said she's skinny ignorant cunt I would feel the need to tell her "I am sorry h_i_s", but I just said shes nice.... ~sigh~

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Believe it or not, there are thin women who struggle to keep weight on, and they are just as sensitive to comments about their size as overweight women. I think her objection to your reference to her as an example of a thin woman was fair. It wasn't necessary. Iirc, her original response to you was testy but not nasty, and you responded by sarcastically referring to her as princess. I'm not surprised she got pissed, but as I said before, she went nuclear in response to your throwing a rock.

Isn't this one of those your freedom to swing your arms wildly ends when your elbow smashes my nose object lessons?

Having an opinion someone finds insulting doesn't except you from being taken to task for it 'cause "it's your opinion and you didn't mean it X way" - that isn't the problem of the person hurt by the words.

Taking someone to task for insulting you doesn't mean you get to be a totall asswad back. I remember someone chewing people out for ribbing Marquis in FAR less out of bounds terminology, but whatever.

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INSIDEYOURMIND said:

I am always who I am, nothing more, and certainly nothing less, I have always spoken my mind, and will continue to.
I have grown tired of these boards, I have made good friends here, and those I will cherish.
As for the rest................
You can wallow in your crap, your jealousy, pettiness, and falsehoods. The drama here is completely unnecessary, when you learn what's really important in life, you will all see how trivial you are.
As many attack my little girl, just as many send her PM's telling her how right she is, they just don't have the balls or nerve, to dare I say, BE TRUTHFUL! The attacks on her have been ongoing, and considerably more vicious.
She bows to one, that is me, I do not need your approval to own her. She is strong minded, yes, but just as obedient and respectful to me.
She speaks her mind, is that wrong, no, I support that.
Stay online, and be miserable about yourselves, enjoy the flatness of "online relationships", and keep fooling yourself and others with your bullshit.

I bid all of you Adieu, I will no longer peruse these boards, or add my comments.
I could care less what you think of me, or my slave, because it only matters what we think of each other.
I will not reply to any PMs, or comments left here because I am done here. My friends, and you know who you are, feel free to contact me

Turn off your computers every now and then, and GET A FUCKING LIFE.

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Didnt we have a thread almost identical by the same person about a year ago?

Kajira Callista said:

Didnt we have a thread almost identical by the same person about a year ago?

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Yes

dejavu...

haven't i read this post three times before?

please don't get me wrong. i think you and your girl are fine additions to the bbs, but dramatic goodbyes are clashing with my temper today.

so when i take it with a grain of salt, please don't be surprised.

As an aside, when people write a lengthy post and then leave on my other message board, it's referred to as a YAGE (yet another grand exit).

i, for one, will be truly sorry to see either IYM or Sinn0cent go.

i’ve admired their relationship from the first. To the extent that We can (and We have a long way to go), Daddy and i hope to model our relationship on what We have observed of iYM and Sinn’s, even recognizing that We are privy to only the smallest glimpse into that relationship.

This is a sex forum where divergent persons get together to discuss or post or spend time or just learn about our particular sexual lifestyles.

This doesn’t guarantee that i have the same beliefs, values, opinions or sacred cows as others here. i can be taken to task for it, but i don’t believe one transgression, i.e. the “smearing” of an unborn child, is more egregious than any other insult, say like, “Yo’ mamma soooo fat…”. i just don’t. Please do not attempt to disabuse me of this opinion. It is one i respectfully hold. An insult is an insult. Incivility on anyone's part is incivility.

As someone who struggles to stay out of the fray for the most part, here is what i have observed:

The attacks around here have become increasingly more vicious. So has the level of whininess about cliques and meanness. There is a general air of intolerance about the place, from older posters and newbies alike. i am not sure where it is all coming from.

i am sad to see it.

As much as i’d personally like to be, i am not friends with everyone here. As a newbie last year, i had to deal with not being immediately embraced on this forum. Shit, i’m still not now. Not everyone’s cup of tea-i get it. i learned what i could and moved on.

i hope we all can.

Kajira Callista said:

Didnt we have a thread almost identical by the same person about a year ago?

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If you did, I missed it... dammit. These kinds of things are great!

I love this drama. LOL

But the bottom line is that neither of these 2 people (IYM and his) are very healthy and maybe being off this board is better for them both. When it becomes that stressful and that unpleasant, and it's no longer entertaining, then it really is time to go.

One thing I do know; when I've been called a c*nt, there was no misunderstanding about it. As far as I'm concerned, that's the ulitmate insult.

Ah well... good luck, bon voyage, best wishes... all that shit and stay well.

WriterDom said:

Oh, you zip it, Doris! Rogers Hornsby was my manager, and he called me a talking pile of pigshit. And that was when my parents drove all the way down from Michigan to see me play the game. And did I cry?

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I'm sorry, but this really made me giggle. Love that movie!

WriterDom said:

Oh, you zip it, Doris! Rogers Hornsby was my manager, and he called me a talking pile of pigshit. And that was when my parents drove all the way down from Michigan to see me play the game. And did I cry?

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A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN !!!