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Old 09-07-2016, 01:42 AM   #1
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Are Lit ratings a good guide of success!

I posted a story on Lit finally, and found myself anxiously watching its rating. (It started well, then slipped, and averaged out at 4.2) What do people think this rating really indicates? Is it a sign of anything much really, and if so, what is a good score? Or don't you think they matter
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:13 AM   #2
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I wish I knew.
I've been writing for myself for about 15 years. Then I was brave enough to show a few friends some stuff I had written and they said it was good. But it's hard to know if friends aren't just saying that to not hurt your feelings.
Then I got brave enough to post stuff here and even though I have had some good comments and like you my ratings have leveled off at around 4.3 (which my kids keep saying that's out of 5 and you're not happy) and yeah that is pretty good I guess, but I strive for perfect and not seeing 5 out of 5 makes me feel like maybe what I write is crappy.

I think like any other art, and yes to me writing is art, you'll have people that love it and some that hate it. You can't please everyone can you?

I am trying to be happy with my less than perfect rating, and really that should just encourage me to write even better next time!
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:13 AM   #3
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The ratings are as important as you want them to be. Most readers don't vote; and many of those who do vote, vote out of spite. (I'll show you, you smart arse author!)

It's disappointing when something that you thought was pretty successful struggles to get above three, but that doesn't really tell you anything about the quality of the story. In one bad 24-hour period, I lost 14 red Hs. Ask yourself: does that tell you anything useful?
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:18 AM   #4
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I admit seeing those broken hearts and reading that someone has un-favorited a story of yours is well...heartbreaking.
A few people have said that sometimes someone will favorite a story to come back and read it, then un-favorite it after they read it, but still it does put a frown on my face when I see that little broken heart!
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:25 AM   #5
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Old 09-07-2016, 04:19 AM   #6
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I admit seeing those broken hearts and reading that someone has un-favorited a story of yours is well...heartbreaking.
A few people have said that sometimes someone will favorite a story to come back and read it, then un-favorite it after they read it, but still it does put a frown on my face when I see that little broken heart!
So what proof do YOU need to convince YOU of your talent and skill? It's obvious you have both, but what will convince YOU?
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Old 09-07-2016, 04:57 AM   #7
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So what proof do YOU need to convince YOU of your talent and skill? It's obvious you have both, but what will convince YOU?
Sadly, I honesty don't know if anything ever will. It took so much for me to put something I've written out for the world to read. I shared with a handful of friends about a year or so ago, but that was it. They all told me they loved what I had written but I thought, they're my friends and don't want to hurt my feelings.

I will never think what I write is the best shit ever, like a couple people I've seen here seem to think about themselves...but hopefully one day I'll be happy with what I've written. If what I write makes me happy, then that should be good enough!
But knowing that and actually executing that are two different things.
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Old 09-07-2016, 04:57 AM   #8
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All a rating might indicate is the relative popularity of that story within its category.

A higher rating might also indicate that you have made fewer enemies on the Lit Boards.

Popularity as shown by the rating does not necessarily equate to the quality of the story, but it can. A well written story can have a high rating. It could also have a low rating because the subject matter annoys people (or you have enemies!).
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Sadly, I honesty don't know if anything ever will. It took so much for me to put something I've written out for the world to read. I shared with a handful of friends about a year or so ago, but that was it. They all told me they loved what I had written but I thought, they're my friends and don't want to hurt my feelings.

I will never think what I write is the best shit ever, like a couple people I've seen here seem to think about themselves...but hopefully one day I'll be happy with what I've written. If what I write makes me happy, then that should be good enough!
But knowing that and actually executing that are two different things.
You need to change your account to DOUBTING THOMAS.
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I posted a story on Lit finally, and found myself anxiously watching its rating. (It started well, then slipped, and averaged out at 4.2) What do people think this rating really indicates? Is it a sign of anything much really, and if so, what is a good score? Or don't you think they matter
4.2 - that's pretty good. I do keep an eye on the ratings but I don't take them too seriously and I don't take them to heart. Altho that said, the stories I personally think are my best do get the highest ratings. On the other hand, stories I had a lot of fun with but which were a bit different from what I think your average Lit reader is looking for didn't rate so well.

Personally, I like to aim for ratings over 4.5 (that "H" that stands out) but I don't get hung up on it and I don't write with anything other than my own story in mind.

Ratings on Lit are really based on what the Lit readers are looking for so if you want higher ratings, write specifically for your audience in the category you're submitting the story in. And it's only a tiny minority of readers that rate you anyhow (about 1% +/- in my experience) and an even smaller number that comment or leave feedback. Discounting the trolls, the # of views, comments and feedback is what I take most account of.
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Old 09-07-2016, 05:19 AM   #11
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I recently discovered what drives views, and what lotsa views mean.

One of my tales got close to 60,000 views in no time at all. It had tons of favorites though the score barely held around 4.00, I forfeit a whole point being NOIRTTRASH. The trick is incest with a happy ending. The views were repeats of the same readers.
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Old 09-07-2016, 05:23 AM   #12
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Sadly, I honesty don't know if anything ever will. It took so much for me to put something I've written out for the world to read. I shared with a handful of friends about a year or so ago, but that was it. They all told me they loved what I had written but I thought, they're my friends and don't want to hurt my feelings.

I will never think what I write is the best shit ever, like a couple people I've seen here seem to think about themselves...but hopefully one day I'll be happy with what I've written. If what I write makes me happy, then that should be good enough!
But knowing that and actually executing that are two different things.
Just keep writing. I look back at my first stories and go, Ohhhhh, so sucky. You learn a lot just by persevering. And I've been working my way thru a lot of books on writing techniques, style, plotting, characterization, you name it. I try and work to write each story I do incrementally better than the last one. Kind of works for me. Don't let your doubts get to you - me, I felt like that when I started, but honestly, the only way any of us except maybe Hemingway gets better is just by sitting down and doing it. Again and again and again.

I did what you're doing. My partner thought my little stories were good and encouraged me to go and put them up online. So I just sat down and said to heck with it, if I don't write it and get it somewhere where people can read it, I'll never know. So I dived in and started after that kick in the butt from my other half. My first story was oh so derivative and I had to rewrite it about 3 times before it got accepted. That was tough..... but I'm still here and getting better ... and one of my stories drifts between #2 and #5 in the First Time Hall of Fame (ranking depends on my trolls being alert or not - it usually sits in #2 for a few days before my Troll(s) spot it and gives it a 1*. whereupon it sinks, only to rise again..... very entertaining)
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Old 09-07-2016, 05:38 AM   #13
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You need to change your account to DOUBTING THOMAS.
Maybe I should.
Or I wish I could just suck it up and think maybe what I write is ok, maybe even enjoyable to someone.


"I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggone it, people like me."
Anyone remember this, from SNL I think. Maybe I can say it every day and think heck this could be true of me!
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Maybe I should.
Or I wish I could just suck it up and think maybe what I write is ok, maybe even enjoyable to someone.


"I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggone it, people like me."
Anyone remember this, from SNL I think. Maybe I can say it every day and think heck this could be true of me!
I don't need an answer. WHO DO YOU WANNA IMPRESS? Because it seems to me you already get favorable feedback from many.
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The rating says far from everything about the quality of a story. But there seems to be a correlation. High ranked stories tend to, in my experience, on average be better stories than lower ranked ones. I rarely find stories below 4 that are worth reading. But I also find stories above 4.5 that are complete shit, so there is lots of variation.
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:54 AM   #16
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That's it in a nutshell.

[/b]QUOTE=tomlitilia;80248360]The rating says far from everything about the quality of a story. But there seems to be a correlation. High ranked stories tend to, in my experience, on average be better stories than lower ranked ones. I rarely find stories below 4 that are worth reading. But I also find stories above 4.5 that are complete shit, so there is lots of variation.[/quote]
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I don't need an answer. WHO DO YOU WANNA IMPRESS? Because it seems to me you already get favorable feedback from many.
What impresses me is the number of views and responses of any kind on Literotica - votes, favorites, comments and feedback - compared with posting a story on almost any other site.

Whether all the views are genuine doesn't matter except to compare one of my stories against another. But the total number of views added together for all my stories is a fantastic number.
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The rating says far from everything about the quality of a story. But there seems to be a correlation. High ranked stories tend to, in my experience, on average be better stories than lower ranked ones. I rarely find stories below 4 that are worth reading. But I also find stories above 4.5 that are complete shit, so there is lots of variation.
LIT scores suffer from two fatal problems: The scores aren't reliable or valid.
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I posted a story on Lit finally, and found myself anxiously watching its rating. (It started well, then slipped, and averaged out at 4.2) What do people think this rating really indicates? Is it a sign of anything much really, and if so, what is a good score? Or don't you think they matter
They vote, if they vote, on a scale from 1 to 5. You have to figure, at least I do, that anything over 2.5 is fairly good. Anything over a 4 has to be fantastic. Between 4.5 and 5, brilliant.

You have a 4.2. I'm always pleased with a 4.2. Yes, I would prefer a 4.5 or a 5, but a 4.2 is really good in my book.
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Old 09-07-2016, 09:26 AM   #20
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I posted a story on Lit finally, and found myself anxiously watching its rating. (It started well, then slipped, and averaged out at 4.2) What do people think this rating really indicates? Is it a sign of anything much really, and if so, what is a good score? Or don't you think they matter
My opinion (and it may apply only to Incest/Taboo as that's the only category I read/write) is that the scores IMHO relate more to the premise of the story than the quality of writing. My first two postings (Heather and Michael Ch 01 and Ch 02) have a 4.47 and a 4.66 score despite the fact the writing is filled with errors, the characters are shallow and they wind up having sex...just because. But the story had a very strong premise and hit a lot of the buttons that readers in the I/T category enjoying having pressed.

Just glancing at your story, it's in the "Exhibitionist & Voyeur" category and it's about "A young man has his first gay experience, and more." My guess is that your low score is more tied to the fact that your story has gay sex in it than any other thing. Gay sex in the I/T category always gets a low score and I'm guessing it's the same in the E&V category. If you moved your story to Gay Male (probably delete and re-post), you might get a better score.
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Just glancing at your story, it's in the "Exhibitionist & Voyeur" category and it's about "A young man has his first gay experience, and more." My guess is that your low score is more tied to the fact that your story has gay sex in it than any other thing. Gay sex in the I/T category always gets a low score and I'm guessing it's the same in the E&V category. If you moved your story to Gay Male (probably delete and re-post), you might get a better score.
If your story does have a gay relationship/encounter in it, this advice is probably spot on.

First, though, what do you consider "success" to be for the stories you post here?

Beyond that, no, there are too many games going on with the scoring that don't relate to the context of the story itself for the rating to have a great deal of meaning in connection to story quality.
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Each category should be taken on its own. If you are looking at the incest category, and its below 4ish, I wouldn't read it. The scene could be poorly written with bad grammar, no build up past maybe "Johnny walked in the room, Mom wus siting their own da beed, toples her 36FFF tits were perky, amazing, 'wanna fuk?'" and it would still get close to 4 points. However, loving wives is absolutely brutal. It could be a story that should win awards that you have posted there, and it will be a bad rating, because people have their own opinion on what loving wives should be.
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Each category should be taken on its own. If you are looking at the incest category, and its below 4ish, I wouldn't read it. The scene could be poorly written with bad grammar, no . . .
But it's just as likely that someone is just playing games with the author on anything the author posts. There's just too much of that going on here to be that reliant on rating generalizations.
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I try to stay out of the politics here. I guess if I wanted to do that I should not have gotten on the boards...


(BTW: avoiding the politics is why I edited that post on the other thread that you liked)
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You don't have to be on the boards for a gamester or someone who just doesn't think what you write should be permitted at Literotica to pick your stories out for special attention.
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