Finally have my first rejection here.

SavannahMann

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I've posted two complete books, and finally have my first rejection. I feel so much better now. LOL. Seriously for a moment. I wrote a new book I called the Vassal Group. I've already posted it in it's entirety on another website, and I won't be so tacky as to link to an external site here. I figure if the stories online, that's enough right?

However the story was rejected here because it was too extreme, and too brutal. Here's the problem. I came up with the story after reading the crime statistics online. I found my to my horror that some 900,000 missing persons reports are filed each year, mostly children. No, I didn't write about anyone being involved under the age of 18. I'm not ready to even consider those numbers. What I did was start with a simple question, what if someone was taking say, 1% of the 48,000 adult missing persons each year? What kind of organization would be required to perform that kind of criminal activity, and what kind of techniques would they use?

I did a little more research, and found that the technology does exist, although in a rather piecemeal manner. Then I came up with an organization that would be able to do what the starting premise called for.

Here be the rub, how does one create an evil organization which is bent on capturing and re-programming individuals to their own desires without using what is apparently excessive violence? As I considered the goals and methods of the group, and decided they would combine methods of destroying willpower with what we would consider a casual lack of concern. Using everything available would include brutal beatings, prolonged exposure to cold, as well as mental manipulation through drugs and visual/aural programming.

It is a very dark story, and I'm going to honestly say I had some trouble writing some of the sections, but I felt as bad as it was, it was within the standards of behavior I could imagine such a group utilizing. I sincerely pray that no such organization would exist, however it is possible. That's what I like to write, stories that are fiction, but suspend disbelief reasonably. In other words, it is fiction possible instead of science fiction or fantasy.

So now I'm left with either re-writing an evil organization which kidnaps people and brainwashes them with kindness and concern, utterly improbable, or not posting it here. Any suggestions?
 
You could just soften the scenes a bit. Give the audience a good idea of what is going to happen and then the door closes or something. If you can build up the anticipation well enough, or the dread from the victim's point of view that can work almost as well as a graphic description.
 
I've read two chapters now and so far, I don't see anything that I haven't seen in a BDSM story here. Even the conditioning techniques used in your story don't contain anything that isn't similar in a BDSM story.

Frankly, unless it becomes much worst than what I've read so far, I don't understand why it's been rejected.

ETA: I've read it all now and still, I don't see any reason for it to have been rejected. Some BDSM stories are no worst, no better than this one.
 
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I've read two chapters now and so far, I don't see anything that I haven't seen in a BDSM story here. Even the conditioning techniques used in your story don't contain anything that isn't similar in a BDSM story.

Frankly, unless it becomes much worst than what I've read so far, I don't understand why it's been rejected.

ETA: I've read it all now and still, I don't see any reason for it to have been rejected. Some BDSM stories are no worst, no better than this one.

Thank you Lady for taking the time to read it. I guess I'll finish the romantic one I'm working on and see if it's warm and fuzzy enough for here. LOL. Well, I'm off to work on Pina Colada.
 
Thank you Lady for taking the time to read it. I guess I'll finish the romantic one I'm working on and see if it's warm and fuzzy enough for here. LOL. Well, I'm off to work on Pina Colada.

A story doesn't have to be "warm and fuzzy" for acceptance here. I've had several very dark, unhappy endings accepted with no problem.

I understand your frustration, but I think you should PM Laurel and ask her opinion before running down the site that you're using.
 
My apologies

I was joking, it wasn't intended to be a run down of this site by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm cool with rules, and if they think that this story as currently written violated the rules of this site, I'm really not upset, strange as it may sound, with that decision. I've worked on websites and message boards in the past, and I'm familiar with standards of content.

If Laurel thinks I'm mocking her, and her standards, I am sorry.

It was meant more as a joke, to add my voice to the chorus of people singing their misery. I'm not really all that upset in all honesty. While I readily admit some slight confusion, it isn't anger.

Oh Pina Colada is in reference to a story I'm working on. Well off and on, about a woman who carries on an online email affair with the perfect man, who turns out to be her own husband. Based loosely on the Escape song, Yes, I like Pina Colada's.
 
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I was joking, it wasn't intended to be a run down of this site by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm cool with rules, and if they think that this story as currently written violated the rules of this site, I'm really not upset, strange as it may sound, with that decision. I've worked on websites and message boards in the past, and I'm familiar with standards of content.

If Laurel thinks I'm mocking her, and her standards, I am sorry.

It was meant more as a joke, to add my voice to the chorus of people singing their misery. I'm not really all that upset in all honesty. While I readily admit some slight confusion, it isn't anger.

Why not PM her, and ask? It's the only way you'll know.
 
I've read two chapters now and so far, I don't see anything that I haven't seen in a BDSM story here. Even the conditioning techniques used in your story don't contain anything that isn't similar in a BDSM story.

Frankly, unless it becomes much worst than what I've read so far, I don't understand why it's been rejected.

ETA: I've read it all now and still, I don't see any reason for it to have been rejected. Some BDSM stories are no worst, no better than this one.

BDSM stories usually involve willing participants, that is, people who enjoy getting whipped and people who enjoy whipping. The story in question apparently involves unwilling participants.
 
I've read two chapters now and so far, I don't see anything that I haven't seen in a BDSM story here. Even the conditioning techniques used in your story don't contain anything that isn't similar in a BDSM story.

Frankly, unless it becomes much worst than what I've read so far, I don't understand why it's been rejected.

ETA: I've read it all now and still, I don't see any reason for it to have been rejected. Some BDSM stories are no worst, no better than this one.

Sometimes, the reviwers can be a little picky. I was afraid my Halloween contest entry would be rejected, because there was rape and murder involved. But it wasn't. Maybe it was because of the theme, or the fact that it was a contest entry. Or maybe it was because, despite comments made by one of the characters, no actual rape or murder was specifically described.

I agree with the comment above. Maybe some of the scenes could be softened up a bit. But I haven't read it, of course.
 
Cloudy, thanks for responding

Why not PM her, and ask? It's the only way you'll know.

Honestly, if I may. I hate people who join a club or a group, and the first thing they do when they're in is demand that the group change to suit their views. I refuse to be that person. By sending the PM it feels like I am demanding an answer. Again, I started this thread as a smiley. Not as a demand for answers, although any are always welcome.

I joined Lit and agreed to abide by the rules here. I have no right to demand an explanation of their rules, none whatsoever. Looking back as to how I posted the comments, I realized that it didn't have the tone I was really shooting for. The title of "Finally" is part of the thing. I started posting stories here on a whim. I've never had one rejected until now. I'm honored that Laurel and the other's have considered my pathetic writings worthy of even this publishing before.

If it's not suitable here, then I'll follow the suggestions in the "Rejected" page. I've put out a request for an editor who might be willing to read and offer suggestions. I am almost always successful in my attempts not to get a swelled head. :^) and I try to see things from the other persons point of view.

I'm not going to demand an answer, I'm going to continue to respect the decision of the management. The same way I appreciated those who didn't question my wisdom when I had to reject something as a moderator a while ago. If I gave the wrong impression before, I apologize and can say that you see the proof that my writings are pathetic by my poorly phrased comments above.
 
Honestly, if I may. I hate people who join a club or a group, and the first thing they do when they're in is demand that the group change to suit their views. I refuse to be that person. By sending the PM it feels like I am demanding an answer. Again, I started this thread as a smiley. Not as a demand for answers, although any are always welcome.

I joined Lit and agreed to abide by the rules here. I have no right to demand an explanation of their rules, none whatsoever. Looking back as to how I posted the comments, I realized that it didn't have the tone I was really shooting for. The title of "Finally" is part of the thing. I started posting stories here on a whim. I've never had one rejected until now. I'm honored that Laurel and the other's have considered my pathetic writings worthy of even this publishing before.

If it's not suitable here, then I'll follow the suggestions in the "Rejected" page. I've put out a request for an editor who might be willing to read and offer suggestions. I am almost always successful in my attempts not to get a swelled head. :^) and I try to see things from the other persons point of view.

I'm not going to demand an answer, I'm going to continue to respect the decision of the management. The same way I appreciated those who didn't question my wisdom when I had to reject something as a moderator a while ago. If I gave the wrong impression before, I apologize and can say that you see the proof that my writings are pathetic by my poorly phrased comments above.

I wasn't suggesting you "demand" anything, but Laurel has always been helpful every time I've contacted her.
 
I wasn't suggesting you "demand" anything, but Laurel has always been helpful every time I've contacted her.

I agree. If you phrase it politely and ask instead of demand, she'll probably be happy to help you out, and at least explain the rejection, if not look it over once more.
 
BDSM stories usually involve willing participants, that is, people who enjoy getting whipped and people who enjoy whipping. The story in question apparently involves unwilling participants.

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I've seen BDSM story where the 'participant' wasn't that willing to start with.....I'd even go as far as saying NOT willing at all.

The story involved here is the same. At first the 'slave' isn't willing at all, but no sex happens before she's ready and willing. I don't know if you read the story or not and I won't assume of anything, but, the fact remain that I DID read it, fully and completely and I saw nothing reprehensible in it.

I'll even add that nothing big (if you're not counting being kidnapped) happen to her before a long while. The 'conditioning technique' used are pretty much what you would read if it was a spy novel.

Of course, it's not my call to make and I don't make the decision, I was only trying to assure the author that his/her story wasn't any worst or better than some I've read here.
 
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Wow, you went pretty far back to find this.

what became of this issue and this story?

Greetings Pure, and I can say that I'm surprised that you even remembered this. I considered going back and re-editing it, not that my editing is worth anything. (NOTE TO SELF, find Editor one of these days who is brutally honest and can correct your horrid English.) However, the problem I ran into was the same one. How does one have an evil organization that kidnaps people, brainwashes them, and enslaves them, without the brutal?

I never was very happy with the story, the subject matter was too dark even for me. Often times I would procrastinate days before I wrote a scene that was particularly disturbing. I've only read it one time since I finished it. I guess that explains why I started the Vassal Academy. I couldn't bring myself to write an unbelievable "She was rescued and lived happily ever after." scene. The process would have been too scarring mentally to live happily ever after as a normal person in normal America.

In the Vassal Academy, I get to write a fairly believable happily ever after. I get to start something that would perhaps shut down the evil organization I created, and would end the evil I imagined. This is as close to a happily ever after as I can manage for these people. It's as close to turning the sword into the plowshare as I can get.
 
hi,

i'm just guessing, and i'm speaking unofficially, but i suspect the issue is that the story has to have a strong or primary erotic element. if your novella is really a pure 'horror' story or just a 'dark' (fantasy)story about an evil prison system brainwashing people, it would be on the borderline as far as lit acceptability. [ADDED: I see upon reading that the story HAS an erotic component.]

so the 'happy ending' issue, is, i believe, irrelevant.

[ADDED: I see that chapters of the vassal story ARE posted here at Lit. http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=364111 ]
 
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[ADDED: I see that chapters of the vassal story ARE posted here at Lit. http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=364111 ]

Yeah, I posted the first three chapters of the Vassal Academy here. Number four is submitted. So far they've been accepted, but as I said. It's more consensual, and I like it better.

The comments about the Vassal Group book. I wasn't all that upset it was rejected. Like I said, I never really enjoyed writing it. I was trying to give you context about why I never followed up on it.
 
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BDSM stories usually involve willing participants, that is, people who enjoy getting whipped and people who enjoy whipping. The story in question apparently involves unwilling participants.


I've read two chapters now and so far, I don't see anything that I haven't seen in a BDSM story here. Even the conditioning techniques used in your story don't contain anything that isn't similar in a BDSM story.

Frankly, unless it becomes much worst than what I've read so far, I don't understand why it's been rejected.

ETA: I've read it all now and still, I don't see any reason for it to have been rejected. Some BDSM stories are no worst, no better than this one.

Since posting my comment, I have posted three stories about abduction and enslavement of unwilling women. Apparently, I was mistaken, although excessive violence would probably still lead to rejection.
 
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