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MadelynW

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I'm trying to develop a character who's a cam girl. If anyone out there:

- is a cam girl

- knows of any books or stories on literotica (or elsewhere) that provide realistic (not fantasy) depictions of cam girls

- knows of a cam girl who might be willing to be interviewed

- can help in any other way

let me know

Cheers,

Mad
 
Goldmine reporting for duty *laugh*

My girlfriend worked the cam for three years, I've been a chat admin for ages, and I knew the owners - so I know that end of the business as well.

So ask away :D
 
Darkniciad said:
Goldmine reporting for duty *laugh*

My girlfriend worked the cam for three years, I've been a chat admin for ages, and I knew the owners - so I know that end of the business as well.

So ask away :D
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Naughty, naughty!

Tell us more!

:cathappy:
 
MadelynW said:
I'm trying to develop a character who's a cam girl. If anyone out there:

- is a cam girl

- knows of any books or stories on literotica (or elsewhere) that provide realistic (not fantasy) depictions of cam girls

- knows of a cam girl who might be willing to be interviewed

- can help in any other way

let me know

Cheers,

Mad
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Hey Mad, :rose:

Good to see you on the AH. You came to the right place. Those wonderful people are a goldmine of infos, helpful and sexy as hell!

Don't be a stranger, ya hear. :kiss:
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Naughty, naughty!

Tell us more!

:cathappy:
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Do you have a year? *laugh*

My Baileykins and I met when she was on cam and I was a chatter. I've seen it all ( and not just of her :p ) We both have experience with the business from a small single-studio operation running out of a dingy building in Vegas to a massive juggernaut with hundreds of models competing for guys' attention.

I've talked to the sweet girls who are just doing it for kicks and cash as they go through nursing school ( far larger number than the cliche nature might indicate ) and I've sat up trying to talk down girls so strung out on meth that their feed had to be cut off ( that cliche is unfortunately right on the money - there are a lot of them )

She worked at home for the last year and a half or so as a remote model, so I got to meet a few here and there too. This would be the part where it would get really naughty ;)

Pretty much any motivation someone would need for a cam-girl character, I've met her and talked to her for weeks on end with her stage face on and off.

I'm off to take our son to school, and then take a nap before work, but I'll put this topic on alert, so I can find it quickly when I get home. I'll pop back in and answer questions here or in PMs/emails as soon as I can.
 
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Wonderful!

I've scared people away with my obsessive questioning, so I'll ask questions one at a time:

Is there a realistic reason for being a cam girl if you don't need the money?

Based on what I've seen at the no-charge level (maybe I should pay for a session), most of the clients appear to be unpleasant and discourteous. So why would you bother?

Cheers,

Mad
 
I can give you a couple of examples I know very well :)

My girl just gets off on it. She loves to show off, and loves seeing guys get hot and bothered over it. It turns her on - makes her feel high. She's especially fond of forming lasting friendships with chatters that she'll see every day in the room - people she'll get to know. She's extremely sociable, and has a sex drive through the roof. Being on cam lets her combine the best of both worlds. Even when she'd already made $600 for the week in the first three days, she was still on cam every day for six or eight hours - sometimes pulling double shifts. It didn't matter to her if she got a private ( paying ) show or not. She was there for fun. She would come on at weird times to catch people who couldn't come around during her regular shift, even during "dead" parts of the day/week/year. The money was great, but it was the fun she craved.

( And I reaped the benefits. A vibe can only do so much, so as soon as the camera went off, she was dragging me into bed )

Another model we both talked to regularly had went through a couple of really bad relationships early on ( Former soviet bloc country ) She jumped into the biz at eighteen, because she still needed some form of male companionship and sexuality, but simply wasn't ready to deal with any man within touching range. One of her girlfriends introduced her to it and she couldn't wait to try it herself. She shared a lot of the same traits as my girl, getting off on it and cherishing the friendships she forged in the chat.

Both of them chatted and emailed with chatters regularly, even those that never spent a dime but had a quick wit or some quirk that made them funny.

Now on to the chatrooms.

I'm a chat admin, a virtual bouncer. My job is to keep the crowd within certain limits. Thus, I'm more than familiar with the unpleasant and discourteous element that dominates the crowds in nudie chat rooms. I've certainly sent enough of them sailing through the uprights on my size 9 steel toed boots out of chat.

Why they bother to put up with the chatmonkeys ( as I affectionately called them ) is easy. Number one, there's the money. In her prime, before some medical problems got in the way, my girl made $1.75 per minute for private shows ( out of over $6 per minute charged to the credit cards ), plus 25 cents more per minute if anybody was watching in the cheaper "voyeur" section where they could see everything but not interact with the private. That could also multiply, so if four people were watching, she was making an additional $1 per minute.

The second reason to put up with the chatmonkeys is that there are some really nice guys out there in chat too. They're few and far in between, but there are some gems. Guys ( and girls, most may be guys posing as girls to try to get free "I'm a Bi girl too!" peeks, but a few are real *laugh* ) You'll run into doctors, lawers, actors, comedians - every walk of life that can afford a computer and internet is represented in those rooms. Some of the funniest people we've ever met were in nudie chat rooms.

There are always those one or two guys out there with a quick wit, good stories, and kind words. They usually congregate, so once you find one, you'll probably start seeing more associating with them. Back in the old days, I was part of the confederation of chatters who had taken it upon ourselves to defend our Queens against the unwashed masses. Atop our mighty steeds composed of one-liners, biting insults for the rowdy, and compliments for the ladies, we rode into battle to keep a smile on those girls' faces. If the model has a personality to go with the pretty face and the smokin' body, she'll attract even more of them. Guys like us were there for the conversation just as much ( if not more ) than the sex appeal. Yeah, we had no lives. So sue us!

With a few good chatters using the "SHW ME UR TITS HORE!" people as punching bags to hone our insult skills, the unwashed masses become nothing more than raw material for new comedy. They blend into the background, becoming bumbling comedic fops for us to slice and dice at will, circling like pirhana to nibble off little bits ( promptly gargling lots of Listerine to get the taste out of our mouths ) while the models laugh until they have to hurry off cam to the potty before they have an accident.


These are the kind of guys who will order food on the internet and have it sent to the studio just because the model mentions that they're hungry. They're the guys that remember every birthday when nobody the model has dated ever did and send cards. They know when it's time to be serious and talk honestly about problems and life, and when to act like complete nutjobs.

Something we used to say constantly, like during a long, drawn out conversation with a model about cartoons, is "Nobody would ever believe this is going on in nudie chat unless they saw it."

Trom would have probably liked to have sat in on the hour long conversation with Mya about Transformers *laugh* By the time we were finished, she actually went out and rented a few tapes to watch the shows when her shift ended, and she still cracks up to this day whenever somebody brings up anything Transformeresque.

Just like real life, it's the few gooduns that make it all worth livin'.
 
Hey, CB

LadyCibelle said:
Hey Mad, :rose:

Good to see you on the AH. You came to the right place. Those wonderful people are a goldmine of infos, helpful and sexy as hell!

Don't be a stranger, ya hear. :kiss:
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Nice to be here, CB. It's been a while. As you can see, I'm still working on Landfall.

Cheers,

Mad
 
Landa Lorna Mercy

No icon - none of them look happy enough.

This is better than I could have hoped for.

OK. Next question.

How does it work? Are there cam girls in every chatroom? Where's a good place to start if I want to have a look? And where the 'girls' won't get snarky if I don't immediately cough up some cash? Although, I'm happy to pay if that's how it works.

Oh, man. There - I asked the really dumb questions. Will I get kicked out of literotica for being so ignornant of how internet sex works?

:redface: Maddy
 
Darkniciad, thanks for your well-informed posts here.

I'd also be interested to know, if you have any idea, of the percentage of customers that are female. I always assumed it was 99% male viewers.
 
MadelynW said:
No icon - none of them look happy enough.

This is better than I could have hoped for.

OK. Next question.

How does it work? Are there cam girls in every chatroom? Where's a good place to start if I want to have a look? And where the 'girls' won't get snarky if I don't immediately cough up some cash? Although, I'm happy to pay if that's how it works.

Oh, man. There - I asked the really dumb questions. Will I get kicked out of literotica for being so ignornant of how internet sex works?

:redface: Maddy
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There are more places to check things out than you can possibly imagine. The site that I admin for is Peekshows.com. It's free to join, and as long as you don't go to the "purchase tokens" section, you can't possibly "accidently" spend any money off the card you use as verification for your account when you sign up. The process to purchase tokens also takes several steps, so you're not going to get charged without knowing it.

I'm not around much, between work, writing, and spending time at home, but there's always a few good chatters and a few models with personality on there. So long as you don't go overboard with asking the models questions while they're working the chat for private show buyers, you shouldn't have to worry too much about the models getting snarky with you. You can probably learn a great deal just by moving from room to room until you come across someone interesting with an interesting group in her room. The chatters are forever asking questions that you probably have in mind, so you can just let them do the dirty work for you.

Just keep in mind that a lot of the girls are going to give their "stage" answers. Most of them are there primarily for the money, and more than a few of them will dress things up for that purpose. Since you're writing fiction anyway, a believable B.S. story is just as good as the real thing anyway, though ;)

Everything you can imagine is usually represented on Peeks. You'll find mature women in their 40s, big girls, and plenty of Barbie Dolls who, if they do have a thought in their heads, certainly don't show it. You'll also find quite a few who don't sound any different than the "chatbot" that gives little tips about how chat/shows work every so often during chat.

Normally, there isn't a chat room open unless there's a live girl in it. Back in the early days, it was common for sites to run previously recorded videos ( especially when the models were in a private show ) to keep the traffic coming in, but that's fallen to the wayside.

How things work varies from site to site. You could really just make up any method of operation and have it come out believable. With Peeks, there's free chat as the first stop. The models decide how much they wear or don't, how much they do or don't, and how active they want to be in free chat. You'll find a few who just lay there and wait for someone to get a private show. There are some who will go to the lengths of full-zoom finger-banging in free chat to drum up business.

Once a lonely guy has been pushed to his limit, and is tired of having the rest of the room between him and the model, they click the Private Show button. From there, they're paying their way with their credit card. The model will receive a visual and sound alert that someone has requested a private show. She then clicks to accept it, connecting her directly to the single chatter.

Once in the private show, the model is expected to fulfill the requests of the chatter. There are naturally some rules and regulations, most of which have to do with obscenity laws, and some of which are just rules that each site/studio imposes upon the girls. No golden showers, no scat, no cutting, no full fisting ( thumb cannot penetrate if all four fingers do ), no animals on cam at any time for any reason...

You get the picture.

Beyond that, most models have a wide variety of vibes, dildoes, lubes, baloons ( there are a lot of foot/baloon/etc fetish people in chat ) and other paraphanalia to keep the paying customers happy. Unless the chatter in the show simply doesn't want them to ( or prefers them to dress in something special ) the models are expected to be fully nude in private shows by default within an appropriate length of time. The most important tool of the trade is the zoomer for their cam, and the remote control pan if they can spring for it on the tripod. Without full remote control, a model is going to have to be almost double jointed everywhere to operate the camera and anything else she's trying to manipulate while keeping "the goods" in plain view.

Just as with free chat, the models have to take the good with the bad in private shows. Some of those rude asses actually spring for a few minutes of private time now and again, and they don't change much one-on-one. Some guys panic and clam up, and the good models know to start the show despite the lack of direction. Some are going to make nearly impossible demands that require contortionist positions, but the model is going to do her best to pull it off. Some are just going to want to talk to a beautiful naked woman without interference from the masses. Then, there are those who will hold up their end of the show to provide the model with something to get off on.

The models can have thier own limits ( no anal, no toys, etc. ) but any restriction they put upon their shows limits their profit potential, and can generate complaints if they aren't up-front about it in their bios or chat.

The ultimate goal is to leave every customer with a stupid grin on their face that just won't go away. Those are the people who come back ( in free and private chat ) and provide the word of mouth advertising that draws other potential show buyers to the room. The regulars in both free chat and private shows are a model's bread and butter. The good models work those people who never spend a dime just as much as those who drop ridiculous amounts of money on them. An active, lively room with people talking ( the model most importantly ) is the quickest way to get a room-blinker to pause and stay for a while, possibly enticing him to click that private show button later.

Mind the admins ( usually have different color text or some other means of identification ) keep your eye on what the model is saying, as well as visual cues, and you'll get along fine in the room without getting under anybody's skin or getting a boot off chat.

Joe, you're right about the customer ratio. Most of the guys in the rooms are exactly what you'd expect, teen to 20 something horndogs and "dirty old men". There are a few Bi and Lesbian women who wander in ( most often those who are shy about expressing those desires in the real world ) and a few more in the Guy or Couples sections of the site. For every "woman" you see in chat, 9 out of 10 are a guy posing as a woman for any multitude of reasons.

I suspect there are more female viewers than are evident, because I firmly believe that many of them simply don't talk much in chat, or don't identify themselves as female in open chat ( pretend you're the one woman other than the model on screen in a room full of 50 horny guys and you'll know why they don't put a big sign over their head that says "female" ) The ratio would still be fairly small compared to guys, though. Most women simply aren't as visually oriented as most men, and finding stimulating conversation is far more time-consuming than finding a hot girl to drool over in chat.
 
I've enjoyed reading your insights on this industy, Darkniciad.
 
Yes, thanks for this thread...I'm intrigued by the business and technical side of the adult industry...actually, I am curious about any situation where someone takes something personal and artistic in nature and makes it into a business (I also study the restaurant business and music industry).

You may want to check out Regina Lynn's columns at Wired.com:

http://www.wired.com/commentary/sexdrive/

and

http://reginalynn.com

(Not a shill for her--I like her writing.)

She's interviewed all kinds of people in the sex-tech industry, including a lot of camgirls.

SG
 
Random trivia:

Back in the beginning, the model software used the ICQ ( an instant messenger program popular in the late 90s ) sound alert "Incoming Chat Request" to announce private shows to the models *laugh*

Likewise, unruly chatters were greeted with a picture of Cartman from Southpark in a policeman uniform with the audio greeting of "You will respect my authoritay!" whenever kicked from chat, followed by a listing of the rules of chat.

Here's an original uncut draft of the rules I typed up when the admin wrangler decided that there needed to be written rules of conduct for all the admins. We cleaned them up and posted them, updating them with some regularity for quite some time. This draft is way outdated now, but I still get a kick out of it. Most admins started out as chatters, and you can see it in the way we think.

What with all the debate about "kick, don't kick?" I figured, what the hell..... Here's the guidelines I impose on
myself along those lines. Also just a few other general things I do when I'm in demigod mode as opposed to
mortal.....

GENERAL:

The model sets the tone of the room:
Obvious really.. basically not even worth listing. If they want a certain action stopped, it stops. Get to know
the models as well as you can before you admin their room. If you don't know a model very well, curtail your
booting and all other actions an extra notch until you get the feel of how she wants her room to work.

Know the regular/somewhat regular chatters:
Sometimes, a regular chatter will say something that a noname monkey would get kicked for, but just be
kidding around. If you don't know the chatter, but other people you *do* know are talking to them, be careful
about kicking/warning them.

Tone down your chat persona:
Not every admin really needs to do this... but I'm a *very* sarcastic ass to stupid and rude people. I also
tend to fly off into left feild with all kinds of whackiness. I also tend to ramble on and on and on and... you get
the picture. I try to stay quite a bit quieter and more "professional" when I'm in green.

Don't hog the models chat:
Naturally, everyone is prolly gonna start hollaring heyas out to you when they see you pop in the room
and start talking to you. (Especially right at first) But the green admin text is *very* obtrusive to the chat.
Try to answer multiple people, whether hellos or normal chat, in one line when green. Try not to get into a
big involved conversation with the other chatters as well. It's really easy (especially if you're like me =P )
to completely take over the chat with green text if you're not careful. It's okay while the girls are in private
shows, but when they come back, quiet down ^_^

Don't waste your breath:
There's no need to really tell every dorkfish that says "show me ur pussy" to get a private show. The
models or the chatters will likely do it anyhow. And even if they don't, many of these people will shut up
or leave the room when nobody acknowledges their existance anyhow. No sense using that obtrusive
green text and bringing the room down with a "big brother is watching" unless necessary.

We're not just there to kick:
Kicking rude assholes off the chat isn't the only thing we're there for. If a chatter asks a question about
the service, and it isn't answered by a chatter or the model immediately, the admin should be jumping on
it. Have that FAQ page printed out or committed to memory and be ready with answers.

Why'd I kickem:
Unless it's a painfully obvious offense, I usually make a little note about *why* I kicked someone after
I do it. And by "painfully obvious" I mean something like "Fuck you you money grubbing whore"

When they come back:
If I kick someone and they come back in the room, I usually inform them why *exactly* I kicked them and
offer up a L2 Warning (see below) to behave. That is unless they come back in spouting the type of
painfully obvious BS as above.

Freindly Fire:
You can goof up =P If you accidently kick someone you didn't mean to, tell the room *immediately*
you goofed up. Hopefully, if they come back in later and you don't see them to personally apologize, one
of the chatters or the model in the room will tell them it was a freindly fire incident.

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KICKING:

First off... a bit of glossary.....

Infomercial: "Get a private show for that ????" ... "This is free chat, to control the action, get a private"
L1 Warning: "Please don't use that word ????" ... "Please don't flood the chat ????"
L2 Warning: "Tone down the sarcasm ????" ... "You're disrupting the chat ????, stop."
L3 Warning: "???? cease and desist immediately" .... "????, cut it out or you're gone."

And now, my personal guidelines
These guidelines are the views of Darken and do not necessarily represent those of Peekshows, it's
owners, techs, models, parent company, subsidiaries, pets, or imaginary freinds
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(1) Insulting Models
Any Ill remark about their appearance, personality, etc. I warn either L1 or L2 if it's something like
"Her ass is kinda big" or "She's boring"
Bullshit like "This chick is nasty" doesn't even get a word from me, only my boot in their ass. These
people don't deserve warnings in my opinion.
I tend to be careful with the word "Fat" some people don't necessarily mean that in a bad way (Though
they *do* need some serious manners counseling =P ) Unless it's an obvious insult, considering the
rest of the comment, or the model takes offense to it I usually just let it go.
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(2) Calling the Models Insulting Names
Cunt, Whore, Slut, Tramp, etc. gets no warning and no mercy from me. They get my boot in their ass
and not so much as a "by your leave".
If they haven't been a problem before that, however, I usually offer up a L2 or L3 warning unless it's one
of those painfully obvious rude comments. With me, it's usually "You wanna rephrase that?"
Just like #1 above, I tend to be careful with the word "Bitch". Some people likewise don't really mean that
in the insulting manner it implies.... culture differences. It doesn't make it right, but it's true. I almost always
warn, sometimes as low as L1 for Bitch, unless the rest of the comment makes it painfully obvious.
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(3) Flooding
(a) obvious: Multiple one after the other posts of nonesense characters or "ass" or something of that nature
<Bigdick>ass
<Bigdick>shw ass
<Embedded>Buffy!!!!!
<Bigdick>assnow
<roger> hi
<Embedded> Wow bigdick, you're a real wordsmith aren't you?
<Bigdick> !!!!!!!!!!
<Bigdick>?
<Bigdick> asdlkfj
<Bigdick> aeijfiolasdkfj;alsdfj

(b) something over and over: Repeating something is one thing but if someone is making the *exact*
same demand/request over and over again becoming monotonous and annoying.... If it gets beyond the 3rd
time I usually offer up a warning or infomercial based on the context of the comments

I almost always start at L1 warnings on flooding and make a full progression through the levels before
I boot for flooding.... that is unless they get *really* bad and fill up the whole chat screen
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(4) Bitching About the Service
This is usually a "Door's right over there buddy" kinda thing. That is unless it's paticularly nasty like
"This site is fucking shitty"... that gets a no warning boot in the ass. The next similar comment after the
"Well, take off then hoser!" gets an auto boot as well.
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(5) Advertising
(a) password leeches: "email me buttsniff@sickfuck.com for free passwords" etc... Screw these
degenerate fucksticks, I put my boot in their ass immediately.

(b) advertising other adult sites: Have to be careful with this one. Use warnings unless it's in combination
with another offense as well. Be *especially* careful if it's not a top level domain URL. It may just be two
chatters exchanging personal webpages. No sense in kicking someone just because <wizard> and <dragon>
want to exchange their Dragon Warrior web page links. Of course.... something like "Free pussy here" or
"cheap shows here" get an automatic boot. If these lamoids can't get hits on their sites, they can advertise
someplace else.... fuck 'em.
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(6) Deaf/Non English Speakers
People who repeatedly ignore infomercials, freindly advice from models/chatters/admins and just keep
saying something like "finger pussy" ... "use dildo" ... "why talk me not?" ... without ever acknowledging
anything anyone says.
I usually start at L1 and work my way up the warning levels until it's obvious they aren't listening. I
usually don't boot for this unless it's in connection with something else.... it's usually flooding... this and
flooding seem to go hand in hand.
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(7) Fuck you
If in response to an infomercial or a polite bit of advice, fuck 'em *boot* If for no apparant reason, in
response to taunting them, etc., just ignore it. Remember, while they're feebly trying to insult you,
they're not giving the models any shit.
If, however, it's "Fuck You (model)", kick their ass immediately.
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(8) Harassing/Threatening Chatters/Admins/Models/Server
If they're threatening (no matter *how* unlikely) physical, property, or HD damage to anyone who isn't
being a pain themselves.... kick 'em.
If it's an argument/insult match between two chatters, try to disarm it first by asking both parties to calm
down and drop it. If a regular chatter is involved, appeal to them to let it drop first (making sure they realize
you're not blaming *them* for it)
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(9) Really Dumb/Illegal Shit
Tell 'em to take it eleswhere..... L3 Warning immediately.
Beastiality, "Snuff" action, Necrophilia, Kiddie Porn, Sticking KB in ass, Stick remote in pussy, etc.
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That pretty much covers it.... until I post this and remember something else LOL... I'll prolly update it
if I do.
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No point in filling this bit in - there's no way to express it in one line

Darkniciad, Darkniciad, Darkniciad…

Hmm. That didn’t scan very well, did it?

How about:

Oh, Darkniciad, of the garrulous demeanour, of the chivalrous attitude to cam girls…

Maybe I’ll just get on with it.

How can I ever return the favour?

Seriously. If there’s anything you’d like to know about the lifestyle of a frumpy fifty-year-old suburban housewife, look me up. Oh, wait, I know – I’m Australian. Need any help with an Australian character? The correct spelling is “g’day”.

My husband tells me I do a mean blowjob. I can't believe I said that.

Alright, I’ve calmed down now.

OK, Darkniciad, you've given me way more than I could have hoped for, but I want more. Tell me a story. Here’s your prompt (ignore it if you’ve got a better opening):

I remember the time when…

OK, now tell me about the lifestyle. When I was in my early twenties, the thing I was interested in (OK, it was cycling. Yes, I was boring, even then) was the focus of my life. We’d hang out at bike shops, go on rides together, argue about brands, whatever. As you tell it, your focus seems to be sex. Good choice.

But how do you meet people with similar interests? Make friends? How do the social groups form?

Oh, and do any of the cam girls you know have wish lists? Or is that a different kind of cam girl?

I’m not an on-line person, but I’m charmed by your descriptions – the times to be serious, the times to go goofy, slapping down the chatmonkeys (much too cute a name for such arseholes, in my opinion) – and the Transformer anecdote is gorgeous. The picture you paint ties in nicely with a blog I found by a cam girl who clearly loved the guys who made it fun. I could understand that.

Many, many, many thanks,

Maddy
 
Not exactly sure what you're wanting to hear as far as a wishlist, but every girl has one or three ;)

When my girl was working on cam, we had a PO box out of town that only I ever went near, and usually only in the wee hours of the morning. Some of her regular chatters used to buy her things all the time, just to see her and them on cam. Leather bustiers, chainmail bikinis, schoolgirl outfits, riding crops, new vibes... Sometimes she'd say something about wishing she had a pair of panties in this or that color and they'd show up two days later.

Well, here's a brief version of my introduction to chat, back in the misty reaches of time. It sort of describes how the social interactions form.

I was in a pretty dark place, more or less existing because I couldn't summon up the motivation to break out of the routine that kept me alive. A buddy of mine sends me a link on IM one night, and I click it without looking while browsing something else to let my slow-as-mollasses-in-january dial-up connection load it in another window.

Once I finally click back, I see it's nudie chat and message him back, "Porn? Gimme a break..."

He tries to persuade me to check it out, saying that the desperate idiots populating the room are a riot to make fun of. I shrug him off and go get ready for work. The next night, I was bored out of my skull. Just for the hell of it, I followed the link again and just watched.

It didn't take long for stinging little witty retorts to start popping in my head. Some of these guys are so dense that diamonds wouldn't scratch their skulls if Superman tried it.

"Bet every page of the Young Miss Section of his Sears Catalog is irrevocably stuck together."

"Even Pee-Wee Herman would have called that comment lame."

I just sat and watched, laughing as the little jabs popped into my head. I noticed that a few people stood out from the crowd, mainly because the model was talking to them, and because they appeared to get away with murder, where similar comments from others were met with swift retribution from chatters or the unseen admins. I finally noticed that those who were getting away with their evil comments were directing them at chatters who were annoying as hell. Relentless beggars, people obviously using bablefish to translate their native language into poorly thought-out come-ons, and just plain rude assholes appeared to be fair game. I never typed anything, but I did go to bed that morning with a smile on my face.

The next night, I came up with something so witty that it had to be shared. I finally put my fingers on the keyboard and sent it. Much to my surprise, a couple of chatters in the room LOLd me, as did the model, who I could actually see was laughing. I don't remember the line, but I'm sure it had something to do with the gene pool and various sundry elements floating around in it within chat. "Darken" still stayed fairly quiet, as I wasn't at all confident considering the hot woman dominating the room. As soon as she went into a private show, though, I unleashed. I immediately became a target for the unwashed masses, while those I'd recognized as the "in crowd" were laughing their asses off. For every badly spelled Lil' Golden Book of Playground Insults line they threw at me, I had a retort that cut to the bone.

I was back the next night, and a couple of people from the previous night greeted me the moment I finally typed something. So it continued for nights on end as more and more people welcomed me to the fellowship of jerks with acceptable targets *laugh* I didn't realize it at the time, but I was fitting right in with the tactic of the "Homies", which was to turn the more vicious assholes attention to them, rather than the model.

My confidence level picked up sufficiently that I started talking when the model was actually in the room. From that point on, I was building slow friendships with hot women as well as the faceless names of Sleepless, Gent, Chidog, and the rest of the Homies. When I happened to wander into chat one night and find nobody else from the core group there, I held down the fort myself. The crowd was especially vicious, and the model was having a rough night. By the time an hour had passed, most of the really rude asses had wandered to safer locales, and the model was all smiles again.

As soon as her smile returned, her private minutes started coming back in. It was during one of those privates that one of the usually silent admins popped up and said, "Way to cut them to pieces, Dark. We couldn't kick them fast enough before you showed up."

A few of the Homies wandered in then, and the resulting feed off each other only chased off more of the degenerates. Right before the model left, she blew a kiss to the camera and typed, "That one is for Darken for cheering me up. I was about to go home for the night when you came in. Thank you."

Talk about your ego boosts.

The next day, one of the regulars told me to pay attention and started typing out a url in broken pieces, replacing the punctuation with the words. Easy enough for me to figure out, but the drooling idjits in the room just stared blankly and continued to ask the recorded video to "shw ur teats"

Following the URL to a chatroom, I came to find out that I'd been under observation for several days, and the original core of the Homies had deemed me an acceptable addition to their ranks. The original two or three had started as a thorn in the site's side, hacking mercilessly, but a peace had eventually settled. Once the dust cleared, the site owners actually came to appreciate what the Homies brought to the site in terms of happy models and assholes fleeing at the first appearance of their name. Not to mention that the Homies pointed out (some) of the many security leaks in the chat. Thus, the site tolerated the hacked link into nude member's chat and the colored rose, summoned up by a macro in chat, which identified the elite members of the Homies. Every model knew the rose, and knew that only a special few were ever granted it. All I had to do was show that calling card in chat. Models knew I was going to be a welcome addition, regular chatters knew I was not to be a target ( except in fun ), and chatmonkeys knew to flee for the hills. I increased the number of contacts in my messenger by orders of magnitude within hours, and I never spent a dull moment online from that moment forward.

Yep, that's the short version *laugh* More or less, it's the same as in the real world - shared interest. It just feels less risky to express yourself online, because if you screw up, all you have to do is change your screen name and start over.

As to chivalry, there was a reason the girls called me Sir Darksalot. I'd spent plenty of years as every girls' best guy friend in the real world (the male equivelant of "always a bridesmaid but never a bride"), so when it came time to play that role online, everyone deferred to me. I was equally adept at riding into battle with my sword drawn and spreading my cloak over the mud puddles in a model's life to see her safely across. :)

My motivation was motivation itself. I actually felt like doing something every day, and my whole life brightened up because of it. Having something to look forward to, where you really didn't before, can really make everything look less depressing.
 
By name, by nature

SimpleGifts said:
Yes, thanks for this thread...I'm intrigued by the business and technical side of the adult industry...actually, I am curious about any situation where someone takes something personal and artistic in nature and makes it into a business (I also study the restaurant business and music industry).

You may want to check out Regina Lynn's columns at Wired.com:

http://www.wired.com/commentary/sexdrive/

and

http://reginalynn.com

(Not a shill for her--I like her writing.)

She's interviewed all kinds of people in the sex-tech industry, including a lot of camgirls.

SG
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Ta heaps for these links, SG. They look very promising, especially the second one. Not sure about wired.com - magazine articles almost always seem to be hyped-up or scandalous. Not a lot of insight. I'll definitely have a closer look, though.

Cheers,

Maddy
 
Gentle men are every where

You sound a lot like my husband, Darkniciad. I think gentle men have a hard time working out where to fit in. You come across as outrageous and kind. What a delightful mix.

I love your line:

"It just feels less risky to express yourself online, because if you screw up, all you have to do is change your screen name and start over."

You've filled my sails, Darkniciad. I'm off to talk to the girls. If you know of any that might like to talk to me (or if you'd like to drop me a line yourself), I'm at madelyn.williams@hotmail.com.

Many, many, thanks.

x Mad
 
MadelynW said:
Ta heaps for these links, SG. They look very promising, especially the second one. Not sure about wired.com - magazine articles almost always seem to be hyped-up or scandalous. Not a lot of insight. I'll definitely have a closer look, though.

Cheers,

Maddy
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Wasn't recommending wired.com in general, just her columns on the site. And Wired Magazine and Wired.com are NOT really the same entity. The former is (or was--might have been sold) owned by Conde Nast, and it shows. The site is more true to the original magazine, back in the day.

Regina's book, Sex 2.0, is pretty good too IMHO. She has some interesting insights. Oh, and definitely look at her most recent column, about how "virtual" relationships can be as real, or even moreso, than offline ones. Really interesting.

SG
 
Thanks Darkniciad, I've also enjoyed this interesting thread.
 
Just like anywhere else, there's far more than the cliches to nudie chat. Not every guy lives in his mother's basement, and not every model is there to make easy money to support her drug habit.

If anybody else ever has a question, just give a yell. Unless I think it will give away vital trade secrets or cause some undue stress to someone, I'll answer it.

Glad to be of use :D
 
Wait! More questions!

I love a true story well told. True stories have a poignancy that fiction can only aspire to.

Last night, I printed off this thread (sorry, trees) so I could read and re-read at leisure, curled up in bed. I felt my scalp tingle, reading your story, Darkniciad. I think men’s roles are unclear these days and I suspect part of the attraction of porn is that it allows men to slip back into a world where women have no purpose other than to satisfy men’s needs (not that such a world ever really existed). Dominance can be fun between consenting adults, but in society, it is a refection of the dark side of masculinity.

What a joy then, to hear of men travelling in the outlands of prostitution giving expression to the positive aspects of masculinity. Courage, chivalry. The need to act. I’m tingling all over, now.

As my courageous and chivalrous editor, LadyCibelle, will tell you (just because courage and chivalry are traditionally masculine doesn’t mean we ladies can’t join in), I’m working on a story at the moment that has yet to find its purpose. One theme that I’m keen for it to explore is the notion that there is good and bad in everything. Everything. Masculinity, femininity, the internet, door knobs, whatever.

I have a roughly mapped-out journey for my female character, Vicki, who finds sexual safety in being a cam girl (thank you, thank you, thank you for telling me it isn’t all about money – that has saved me so much re-writing!).

But I have been really struggling with the male character, Jon. Lately, I’ve been wondering whether to make him a porn addict. And to be honest I think I’ll go with that for now, because then Vicki can save him. (Jon’s session with Vicki is the pivotal moment in the story – his sweet nature gives Vicki the space to understand her pathological need for sexual safety. Dramatically. Ouch.)

But I am so tempted to base Jon’s journey on your own, Darkniciad. It means when they start their session, Vicki will already be feeling warm toward Jon, her chivalrous slayer of chatmonkeys. Unfortunately, their session goes for more than half an hour before she even removes one item of clothing (her shoe). At six dollars a minute, Jon will need to be Rupert Murdoch (at the moment, he’s a bicycle mechanic – there’s that husband of mine, again).

So that’s the general rave. I also have some specific questions:

The cam girls I’ve seen look like they’re in their bedroom. So what does “a small single-studio operation running out of a dingy building in Vegas to a massive juggernaut with hundreds of models” mean?

What’s a remote model?

Feel free to leave things to our imaginations, but I’m not yet familiar enough with this scene to trust mine. What did you mean by “the part where it would get really naughty”?

Yes, I’ll be heading off shortly to have look, but in the meantime, is there sound? Is there two-way video? At what point does the model get to see the client?

How exactly do the clients “hold up their end of the show to provide the model with something to get off on”? Yes, I do have an imagination, but I want to be sure.

Do the chat admins stay in the chatroom, or move from room to room?

Do they really say ‘hoser’ in Indiana? I thought that was Canadian.

So much for my determination to limit my questions to one at a time.

I’m so obsessed by this story that I’m not really making much time for anything else, but I will definitely be looking at your stories, Darkniciad, in the hopes that your imaginary worlds are as richly told as your real one.

Fond imaginings,

x Mad
 
MadelynW said:
The cam girls I’ve seen look like they’re in their bedroom. So what does “a small single-studio operation running out of a dingy building in Vegas to a massive juggernaut with hundreds of models” mean?
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A lot of studios put plenty of work into making the booth look like a bedroom. In the old days, they usually had a monochrome couch with a blue background and had to work with those restrictions. Peeks started out with around four rooms and perhaps a dozen models. The office, models, servers, programmers, and everything else was in one building - which wasn't exactly the Ritz.

What’s a remote model?
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A remote model works for a studio/site, but does so from home. When you can tell beyond any doubt that the model is in a real bedroom, then she's a remote model. The website provides the payment structure and the delivery mechanism, while the model provides the feed from home over a high-speed internet connection.

Feel free to leave things to our imaginations, but I’m not yet familiar enough with this scene to trust mine. What did you mean by “the part where it would get really naughty”?
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What I was actually talking about when I said that was that I spent some quality time with a few different models and my girl ( she's Bi ) when they came to visit us.

With respect to shows, the naughty part would be where the model gets down to business with whatever toy she has on hand. The types of shows are as varied as people, though. Some guys will simply talk to the model without ever asking her to take off one stitch of clothing. Some want to talk to her naked. Some want nothing more than a personal striptease. Some want a wham-bam. Some will combine all of the above into hours-long love-ins.

Yes, I’ll be heading off shortly to have look, but in the meantime, is there sound? Is there two-way video? At what point does the model get to see the client?
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This varies, but sound is becoming the norm. Likewise, the ability to do cam-to-cam is becoming the norm as well. In the case that both are available and the customer wants to use them, the model can see the customer as soon as his cam is on and they've established the two-way connection. In free chat, I've never heard of a two way connection other than text chat for the customers.

In the old days, you usually had low speed video that was extremely jerky. Sound was almost unheard of because of the cost and problems to broadcast video, chat, and sound all at the same time without melting down the servers.

How exactly do the clients “hold up their end of the show to provide the model with something to get off on”? Yes, I do have an imagination, but I want to be sure.
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If the model actually enjoys the sexual parts of the show, and wants to get off as much as the customers, it's a heck of a lot easier if the customer can push her buttons with his words ( text or audio ) and can describe things in an arousing way. The harder the customer works to get the model there in a situation like this, the hotter his show is for the effort. No matter how good a girl might be at faking it, the real thing will top it every time. Think phone sex or cyber-sex. If both people aren't turning up the heat, somebody is probably hanging up dissapointed.

Do the chat admins stay in the chatroom, or move from room to room?
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Depends upon the size of the site. In the old days, it was nothing unusual for two or three admins to be in each room with only a few models on at a time. If the site is big, then the admins roam around. In our case, we established contact with other regular chatters and talked with them on IM. When the chatters saw something going wrong, they sent up the bat-signal and we swooped in to strafe the area. Chatters will also roam from room to room looking for admins to alert them to problems in another room.

Do they really say ‘hoser’ in Indiana? I thought that was Canadian.
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I've seen far too many episodes of SCTV and worn out two copies of "Strange Brew" on VHS. So, this one would be entirely me *laugh* Give me half a chance and you'll see a lot of British slang in my vocabulary too. You can blame Monty Python for that.

(If anyone happens to have the Disney Movie "Brother Bear" lying around, be sure to watch it once with the "Moose Commentary" on once. Bob and Doug McKenzie live again on Disney ( minus the beer *laugh* ))

Any question you have, just bring it on in here. No worries about dropping them even a dozen at a time.

Just be aware that the length of my posts will grow exponentially *laugh*
 
Hey Dark, :rose:

I just wanted to say thank you. I'm the one who'll be editing Mad's massive story and I'm learning as much as she is from your posts. :) I'm keeping your answers in a word document and I'll be referring to it often when comes the time for me to edit. I'll have a good guideline of what's realistic or not.

So, thanks a million for all those infos. :rose: :kiss:
 
No problem :D Hit me with any Qs you need to as well LadyC.

If you need them Madelyn, I've got a few more screencaps of the chat windows with real insanity from real chatters lying around on the hard drive. I think I still have an old 1f/s silent video of a private show that I recorded so a model could use it as a reference to tell me where to take screencaps from the higher quality video for her gallery.

There's a little bit of the nutso behavior in these, but most of the real chatmonkeys had already taken a trip on the steel-toe express by the time anybody would start snapping screens.
 
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