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In my mind one of the ultimate forms of submission for a woman with a male PYL is to bear his child. It is a nine month long commitment that you can't back out of (no, I don't believe in abortion - that debate is for a different thread).

I'm curious to know what the other PYLs and pyls out there think. I know my point of view is from a heterosexual outlook so I'm curious about the g/b/l outlook as well.


PS - Please don't look at just pregnancy - but what other forms can there be? Anal sex, for example. That to me can be a form of submission as well. I know most of you will say collaring is it but that to me isn't laying it on the line.. actions speak louder than words.


 
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Chris_Xavier said:
In my mind one of the ultimate forms of submission for a woman with a male PYL is to bear his child. It is a nine month long commitment that you can't back out of (no, I don't believe in abortion - that debate is for a different thread).

I'm curious to know what the other PYLs and pyls out there think. I know my point of view is from a heterosexual outlook so I'm curious about the g/b/l outlook as well.
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Bearing a child is AT LEAST an eighteen yr and nine month commitment. Cause once they're out in the world, they need two parents to raise them.

i agree with you in that bearing a child for me would be one of the MOST submissive acts. Pregnancy and i DO NOT get along, so for me to have my PYL's baby would imply a large degree of love and devotion...as well as the expectation of "forever."
 
It would be a very long term commitment, and not something I'd ever in part decide to do based on my sexual inclinations....
 
If i can add another question on here sorta....

pyl's...Do you consider it the ultimate compliment when your PYL asks if you would have His baby? Why or why not?
 
Oy. My cynical self says it can be the ultimate act of stupidity and selfishness. I can't think of a worse reason to have a baby.

ETA: Okay, I'm softening my stance a bit for seriously committed long-term relationships. Otherwise, read my remark above.
 
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Bah, I don't think the ultimate compliment would be a PYL asking a pyl to have their baby....if they stuck around for the long haul and gave 100% of their commitment to that parenting role, then perhaps it could be considered a slight compliment. Sorry, I have seen too many starry eyed people get all gooey over their SO wanting to have a baby together only to then see that SO disappear into thin air at some point in the future, and sometimes it is even before the baby has been dried off properly.

As to it being the ultimate act in submission, I also don't get that one either. Partly it is because I do not believe in including children as part of the D/s arrangement, but mostly because having children is a natural part of life that has been taking place for eons...I do not identify it with submission in the slightest. I also don't see any act as the ultimate act of submission simply because what is difficult or a sacrifice for one may be a piece of cake for another, how can you then measure what is ultimate and what is convenient or par for the course?

Catalina :catroar:
 
catalina_francisco said:
Bah, I don't think the ultimate compliment would be a PYL asking a pyl to have their baby....if they stuck around for the long haul and gave 100% of their commitment to that parenting role, then perhaps it could be considered a slight compliment. Sorry, I have seen too many starry eyed people get all gooey over their SO wanting to have a baby together only to then see that SO disappear into thin air at some point in the future, and sometimes it is even before the baby has been dried off properly.

As to it being the ultimate act in submission, I also don't get that one either. Partly it is because I do not believe in including children as part of the D/s arrangement, but mostly because having children is a natural part of life that has been taking place for eons...I do not identify it with submission in the slightest. I also don't see any act as the ultimate act of submission simply because what is difficult or a sacrifice for one may be a piece of cake for another, how can you then measure what is ultimate and what is convenient or par for the course?

Catalina :catroar:
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This is something that's really coming to light for me this month. Sure it's something I've always thought about, and thought I understood. I'm a pain slut, I know I love pain, and I know that some people don't and that's a little easier for me to take to heart than some one not enjoying anal penitration. It's weird some of the things our mind can grasp and what takes a bit more.
 
I don't know about this "ultimate act" stuff, but one very serious sacrifice I've made in my relationship is giving UP the desire to have a child, as it would affect our relationship and my service to her in a negative way.
 
the captians wench said:
This is something that's really coming to light for me this month. Sure it's something I've always thought about, and thought I understood. I'm a pain slut, I know I love pain, and I know that some people don't and that's a little easier for me to take to heart than some one not enjoying anal penitration. It's weird some of the things our mind can grasp and what takes a bit more.
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LOL, this is why I enjoy growing older...I am finding I am having more and more of these moments as I get older and it feels so good. Sort of like a whole new world opening, an inch at a time, and never ending.

Catalina :catroar:
 
Chris_Xavier said:
In my mind one of the ultimate forms of submission for a woman with a male PYL is to bear his child. It is a nine month long commitment that you can't back out of (no, I don't believe in abortion - that debate is for a different thread).

I'm curious to know what the other PYLs and pyls out there think. I know my point of view is from a heterosexual outlook so I'm curious about the g/b/l outlook as well.


PS - Please don't look at just pregnancy - but what other forms can there be? Anal sex, for example. That to me can be a form of submission as well. I know most of you will say collaring is it but that to me isn't laying it on the line.. actions speak louder than words.
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Nine month's long? I'd say it's a lifetime commitment.

For me, who was walked out on during my first pregnancy, it was pretty scary to do it again. However I could hardly consider giving my far more deserving husband less than I had my ex and anyway I wanted my child to have a sibling.

Some people have a whole fetish thang about getting a woman pregnant. I've seen tons of stories about it.

Another thing that helped was that my husband was turned on by my body even while I was pregnant the first time. That was somewhat reassuring.

At the time of my pregnancies I didn't think in terms of submission at all, not consciously, except in fantasy.
 
If someone is having a child for the sake of another person, that person is not a sub. They are an ass.

My mother had me to try and win my father back, don't get me started...while I like being here and all, if you think kids can't tell whether they were wanted or not by their parents, you are delusional. If you think the woman who had the baby JUST to please her husband isn't going to wear that resentment on her sleeve, you are even more so.

Ass sex? Nope. For me a purely selfish enjoyment of dick once in a blue moon.
For my husband, I dunno, how else can I fuck him? In his ear? He likes it.

For me it's cumulative. It's those millions of little moments in a day when my husband would rather be doing X and instead does Y because he knows it will put a smile on my face. That's submission, and the ultimate act thereof. Not the fact that he would get a PA, not the fact that he would give up on penetrative sex with me forever, just those stupid cups of tea and board games that I want when I want.

With H, this will sound weird, but I think what defines his slavery's totality is the fact that we agree that if I simply told him one day "don't call, don't write." or "Madame blah of Dc and I have talked, and you are to go serve her now" he'd do those things. No bitterness, no feelings of being owed, it's the sense that he's mine to sell or relinquish if I want.
 
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i see pregnancy as something normal and natural for two people at a certain stage in thier relationship. before that, i find pregnancy a scary unwanted nightmare that while ending in a new life and all that jazz, was at least initially a bad idea.

i also have a skewed view right now having very recently had a pregnancy scare. i want kids. just not yet.
 
Having B.'s child wouldn't be the ultimate form of submission in my relationship. Why? Because B. is sterile. Barring a medical miracle, he'll never father a child. Furthermore, all the females in my family have had trouble carrying a child to term, which means I'd likely have the same trouble even IF (big if) B. could actually father a child. Which means that with all the stuff that'd have to be done for the two of us to have children, the poor kid would probably come out with all kinds of problems and defects. Luckily for me, I don't like kids, so it's a non-issue for me. B. hardly ever talks about it, but I know it bothers him that he can't have kids. If, somewhere down the road, the two of us were to get married or something, I'd think long and hard about adopting a small child (not an infant!), but I don't know what the answer would be.

I don't think anything I can do stands for some ULTIMATE act of submission. I just think my constant devotion and desire to serve him stands on its own. I'd do just about anything in the world if he asked me (up to and including walking away if he asked me to), but I'm not interested in being a martyr or out-subbing anybody. :p
 
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serijules said:
I don't know about this "ultimate act" stuff, but one very serious sacrifice I've made in my relationship is giving UP the desire to have a child, as it would affect our relationship and my service to her in a negative way.
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this moves me in what is probably a very cliched way.

thank you for sharing.
 
CutieMouse said:
No. Way. In. Hell.

BTW- this is coming from a woman who can (hmmm... "used to" is more applicable now, actually) get pregnant at the drop of a hat, is built for pregnancy, is built for birthing, yadayadayada. BTDT, never ever ever EVER again. Ever.

Actually, I'm not sure there is such a thing as an "ultimate act" of submission, as it's such a subjective concept...
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I agree with you.

My ex thought he could use me, impregnate me, dump me and still control me through the child and money issues.

Riiiiight.

He was truly clueless about some of my essential and basic characteristics.
 
CutieMouse said:
I do Love my children... I really do. I just know that ever being pregnant again would destroy me emotionally and mentally; hell it took 7 months of therapy to deal with my last (and only unplanned) pregnancy, plus being carefully watched by my husband, best friend, midwife, midwife's assistant, and therapist during the pregnancy and for 3 months afterwards, to get through things...
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Wow. That is a lot to deal with.

*HUG*

I love my kids too, they are one of my primary jobs until they leave home, not to mention a joy to be with most of the time.

I never thought I'd be such a patient 'rent or any good at it. I'd have had more if my husband had been into it. As it was I had to arrange my life in such a way to stop that baby hunger!
 
When he finally admitted that he could no longer consider himself a Republican and gave me his new voter's registration card for my birthday :kiss: :heart:
 
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Lilith said:
When he finally admitted that he could not longer consider himself a Republican and gave me his new voter's registration card for my birthday :kiss: :heart:
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That was a sacrifice!
 
Lilith said:
He's a keeper!
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They can have my GOP membership card when they pry it from my cold, dead hand - right after they take the Colt .45 automatic out of the other.

But if that is what you wanted from him and he consented, the so much the better for the two of you.


 
The beauty was when it no longer became what I wanted but what he wanted as well.
 
I find as I get older I tend to be less judgmental and more open minded and more tolerant of differences in opinion. I think it had to do more with my upbringing more than anything else.
 
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