Shopping Mall Hottie...feedback requested

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If you've kept up with any of these threads you may or may not have seen some of the discussions on "showing" v "telling". If you read this you may wonder if I've been paying any attention--fact is, I wrote this before a number of those discussions took place. There are elements of "telling", but there's also a fair amount of dialogue and I think (hope!) that is moves along fairly quickly, as it should, since "urgency" is appropriate for the situation.

While I'd welcome any and all comments on this story, I feel a little stuck in "transforming" some of the telling (if you think some/most of it should be) into more showing. Having read over this a number of times I might be a little too close to it. Any specific suggestions to any specific excerpts would be most welcome!

Thanks for having a look, and yes, I recognize a department store, especially a Nordstrom's, probably wouldn't condone some of the hijinks, so a little suspension of disbelief is encouraged! You'll quickly see this story isn't particularly serious...

OOOOOOOOO...I'm dedicating this break line to Varian P ;)

"I'm hungry", Marcia whined.

We were standing in excruciatingly long line at Sbarro's in the mall Food Court . I was pretty hungry myself but wasn't bitching about it. Marcia had this annoying little whine she would do when she was getting impatient, especially when she started having a low blood sugar moment. Come to think of it, whenever she did just about anything lately, it was really starting to grate on my nerves. I'd been with her for over three years now. We'd broken up and gotten back together a couple times during then, but I knew I was never going to marry her.

She was still holding out hope, and probably I needed to suck it up and just cut it loose once and for all. We'd had some nice times but were pretty much in a rut. Plus I could never imagine someone complaining as much as Marcia could.

"You take me to the niiiicest places", Marcia said sarcastically. Gawd, it's a Saturday afternoon, we were out to dinner last night, what more does she want???

"Sorry, dear. You getting the special with the chicken wings?" Bad question .

"Of course not. I'm getting the salad just like I told you. Don't you ever listen to me? Look at these thighs!! LOOK at them!" Honestly I couldn't stand to look at those thighs. She got this hostile leer on her face. "Do you think these thighs can afford my eating pizza and chicken wings? I can't hide my fat like you can."

Blah blah blah blah blah . Somebody just shoot me. Fortunately the line moved along quickly. Marcia got her salad and Diet Coke, though the good money was on her getting Haagen Dazs after lunch. As for me, I got the special, slice of pizza, chicken wings, regular Coke, and I was DEFINITELY getting the Haagen Dazs. I could in fact hide it much better than Marcia, tall as I was. One more thing for her to hate about me.

We sat down next to a table where four girls were sitting. One of them was particularly cute. She had dark hair and a mischievous twinkle in her eyes. All she was eating was a big box of French Fries from Burger King, and looked like she didn't have an ounce of fat on her (which guaranteed Marcia would hate her, too!) I caught her eye as I sat down, expecting her to look away, but she held her gaze, not that I'm anything special for her to look at, but probably to get me in trouble.

It worked. "Just what are you staring at?", Marcia demanded. "You waaant her, don't you?"

It had been so long since I'd gotten laid I wanted pretty much anybody that was for sure. But this young lady was finer than frog hair. I quickly imagined some of the things I'd like to do to her before I was jolted back into reality.

"Why don't you put your tongue back in your mouth and go get me a napkin?", Marcia said. "I just dripped salad dressing all over me."

I grudingly obliged. On my way back I saw French Fry Eating Girl catching my attention. Her friends were giggling (maybe at me?), but she was sucking on one of her fries and staring rather seductively at me. I rolled my eyes and tried not to smile. While I didn't exactly understand it I certainly enjoyed the attention. I was sure she was just fuckin' with me when all of a sudden she got up to walk past us. Musta wanted more french fries. But as she walked by our table she suddenly bent over to pick something up, and in an instant, the entire Food Court realized this little honey wasn't wearing any panties. In the next instant you could hear a collective slap as every wife and girlfriend smacked their men who were craning to get a view of the crack of her tight ass. As for me, I had the best view in the house.

I also got the biggest slap.

"Disguuuusting!", Marcia said, definitely loud enough for Miss French Fries to hear. She just laughed when she heard Marcia, satisfied she'd pissed her and every other woman off in about a hundred yard radius. She stood right back up, apparently not having actually picked up anything, and went to refill her drink.

The rest of lunch went without incident. Good for me I didn't get smacked again. But, true to form, Marcia did get her ice cream and proceeded to blame me for it.

After she was done snarfing down her dessert, we walked toward where the kiosks were that sold sunglasses, personalized license plates, cell phones, whatever. In the middle were about half a dozen of those massage chairs, where you stuck your face down in them to let someone rub you down for 15 minutes (or 30 if you were willing to pay).

"God I'm so stressed, but I'm sure you wouldn't pay for me to get one of those, would you?", Marcia whined. Just as she said that, I saw the little hottie walking by, alone this time, catching my attention once again. This time Marcia didn't notice her, all too fixated on the massage chair.

I figured I'd take Marcia by surprise. "You know what, not only will I get you the massage, I want you to have the full treatment."

"Really?"

"Yeah, I'm gonna go look for some Playstation games for my nephew, why don't you get the full 1/2 hour?"

"Gee, thanks". She thought of something to say that I was sure would ruin the moment. I was right.

"You're going to look at games for a half an hour? You COULD go to the jewelry store, you know. I'm not getting any younger you know."

Relentless. "Just enjoy the massage. I'll be right back."

Marcia sat down in the chair and buried her face. Best she'd looked all day. That gave me a few minutes to see if I could track down Miss French Fries.

I began looking around for her when a voice behind me said, "Nice move, big boy. Hope you got her the full half hour."

My knees got a little weak as I turned around and saw Miss French Fries. This time I got a good look at her and noticed fully just how pretty she was. "We don't have much time, you know."

"Much time for what?", I asked, brimming with hope and anticipation.

"Come with me."

She took me by the arm and whisked me into Nordstrom's, where we headed over to Ladies Sportswear. I had a feeling where this could be heading but it seemed too good to be true.

"One of my friends works here, here, take this." She handed me a couple sweaters and a blouse, and she grabbed a couple others which she held onto. "Follow me to the dressing rooms".

Thisisgreat, thisisgreat, thisisgreat, thisisgreat. I couldn't believe my good fortune. I also couldn't help but wonder how many times Miss Fries had done this. "I don't even know your name", I said.

"Whatever you want it to be. Hey, how about Misty, 'cuz you look like you're about to cry!"

She was right. As she led me into the dressing room, I felt like I'd won the fucking lottery.

"I'll just be a minute, hon. Here..." "Misty" had reached in and pulled down her panties and tossed them at me. "...these should tie you over for while you wait"

"Uhhh, thanks" (After all what do you say?). "I know this isn't very romantic to say but I am on a bit of a…"

"...time constraint?" Sentence Finisher. Fuck it I won't hold it against her. Too many other things I'd like to hold against her. "we have plenty of time, trust me".

Off she went, where I didn't know. I proceeded to strip down to my "who knew I was going to get laid in the Nordstrom's dressing room anyway" not so sexy boxers, and proceeded to rub myself with my newly acquired souvenir.

"I'm baaaack" Well, that WAS quick after all. "Hope you're ready for anything?"

This girl was so hot. "Ready as you are, c'mon in sugar" (I swear I'd never called anyone "sugar" before and I hoped it didn't sound stupid)

The door opened up, and when I saw who was coming through, I thought I was gonna…but instead I just said it.

"Shit."

"You're Steve?" The supersized balding guy was hardly containing himself. "I'm Bill from Z101's Bill and Stacy's Morning Zoo, and I…"

"I know who you are, what are you doing here?" Though I already knew. Busted. In a huge way.

"Well, the other day, we got a little call from your girlfriend. Seems that she doesn't think you're particularly...what's that in your hands?"

"Stacy's underpants I believe…hope the station buys her a new pair."

"Why, did you mess them up?", Bill giggled. He loved to crack himself up. "Anyhoo, we did this little Cheaters set up game and Marcia...that's your girlfriend's name for the folks at home, figured you'd take the bait, and…"

"We're live? Now? You better not be doing videos, too!" I was getting pissed but losing whatever figth I had in me. I knew I was in a heap o' trouble.

"We're not. Oh? She's here? OK, bring 'er in."

Marcia walked in. I could see the hurt in her eyes but she had her game face on. "Hi Steve, what are you doing?"

"I think you know."

"Well yes I do, but I want you to tell everyone so we can all hear it."

I hate Scolding Time. Especially in front of Z101s target demographic.

"Here for a little fun, I suppose." Again I lamely tried to put up a fight. "Been awhile, ya know."

Bad move. "And why do you think that is? Well I'll tell you. What is it you always say? Why buy the cow when the milk is free" I admit, I had said that. "And you follow some girl into a dressing room. Did you honestly think she wanted...God you're stupid".

Gee, thanks a lot. At this point I figured I'd just let keep my mouth shut. Of course, Fat Bill with the Face for Radio sensed my clamming up right away.

"Lemme ask you this," he started in. "First of all, I do want to make sure you don't die here today, Steve. Let's start with Marcia's point. Did you really think Stacy was going to make the sexy time with you?" He said "make the sexy time" in a really bad Borat-like accent.

While I barely remember the interrogation it went on for a few more minutes that seemed like hours and no, Marcia didn't kill me. They didn't even need to bring in that bald bouncer from the Springer show.

Bill left Marcia and me in the dressing room but continued to yuck it up with Stacy directly outside. He did also present Marcia with some prize package of a nice dinner for two at Lincoln's and some facial/massage package at some spa. Good for her since she didn't get the massage I'd paid for. Oh yeah, and an official Bill and Stacy's Morning Zoo Tshirt.

"I wonder what Nordstrom's thinks about this", I said, trying to make small talk with the person who maybe now was about to kill me given there were no longer any eyewitnesses.

"You know what I wanna do?", Marcia said. She was actually smiling. Then she floored me as she pulled off her sweater. "Fuck me, Steve. Right here and now."

"What?"

"You heard me. Drop those godawful shorts of yours and give it to me."

"But what about...and they'll hear us...is this part of...?"

"Shut up. I want them to hear it. I want them to know we want them to hear it. Fuck me. Now!"

Who was I to disobey a direct order? Marcia put her hands on the bench and raised up her ass. She was legitimately turned on and so was I. I was inside her at once and started thrusting away. I still had Stacy's panties in my hand and couldn't resist giving them a little sniff.

"Oh yeah, Stevie. Pump me, pump me good you biiitch." I was pretty sure she was playing it up for the audio, and I did start hearing the laughter from outside.

"What are you crazy kids doing in there?" How's a guy to fuck anyway when some fat man is cracking on you?

I figured I'd jump in. "You know what we're doing, Billy Boy, that is, you would if you've ever gotten any yourself". Well wasn't I just the stud all of a sudden?

When I climaxed, Marcia let out a primal scream. Not quite Meg Ryan at the diner in When Harry Met Sally, but close.

We heard applause outside the door.

"You can go away now", I said.

"Show's over", Marcia chimed in.

"We'll leave you crazy kids alone now", Bill said, laughing hysterically. Mercifully, I heard what sounded like the radio crew packing up and leaving.

"Well, that was interesting", I said.

"Pretty much", said Marcia. "I gotta admit, I've always wanted to do that. And that was pretty hot."

"Didn't realize you had such a freaky side. It's nice." Marcia didn't say anything. "So, you want to cash in those Lincoln's vouchers tonight?"

"As a matter of fact, I do." There was a knock at the door. Great. At least we were both dressed by then.

Stacy walked through the door. "Pick you up about six?", she said to Marcia. "Sure thing", Marcia replied. "I haven't been to Lincoln's since, well, since before I met Steve". She shot an evil eye at me. Uh-oh.


"Well, I can't wait", said Stacy. And as if I hadn't been floored enough in one day, she walked over and gave Marcia a little kiss on the lips. "See you at six".

When she left I turned to Marcia. "Are you...?

"No. But when I went to the station afterwards me and Stacy went out for drinks and things got, well, a little hot and heavy. So we both figured, hey what the hell let's finish what we started and besides...besides, Steve..."

"What?"

"I'm done with you." The hurt was back in her eyes. "Once and for all. I know you're never gonna marry me. I know you don't want me. I may not be the most beautiful girl. I may not even be the nicest. But I'm a lot nicer than you, and I deserve better."

"Like some radio dike?" Ego kicking in.

"She's not a dike. She's my friend. And the first step to getting you out of my system. Now leave, Steve. I want to try on these sweaters Stacy picked out. And thanks for screwing me today. You were good for something today at least"

For once, blah blah blah blah blah never crossed my mind.
 
my comments:
longer sex scene! what does he see, smell, feel ... what dirty thoughts are going through his head? describe them, give the reader the same feelings that "steve" is having in the dressing room. make em twitch with a growing itch ...

the scene with his girlfriend... he hasn't had sex in ages (he says) and now she's coming at him outta the blue all hot and horny ... he's gotta be thinking, feeling, seeing more than - i'm gonna shove it in her and cum. what made her do this? is this the woman he fell in love with who has been hiding out ... when did she become a tigress? OMG, has she been doing this with someone other than him? how does his cock feel? is it throbbing, is his breathing increased? can he see straight? or is it just - yeah, fine - take it bitch! you make me wait three fucking years and NOW you want it???? what are his emotions? where is his humanity?
 
ninefe2dg said:
OOOOOOOOO...I'm dedicating this break line to Varian P ;)

Emulation is a federally-approved mode of flattery. I'm still deciding, though, what I think of this deviation from the long-established five-O line break.

I'll ponder that important question, and your story, and advise you on both matters in the not too distant future.
 
I liked the story. It went in a different direction to the one I was expecting, which is good as I prefer to be surprised sometimes.

One point though. You said Miss French Fries was wearing no panties when she bent over in the food court. Then, in the dressing room of Nordstrom's, she whipped em off and gave them to Steve? How come she'd suddenly acquired underwear?

The dialogue was great. Steve really had no redeeming qualities by the end of the piece!
 
After reading “Clueless” and now “Shopping Mall Hottie,” I think I'm seeing a few patterns with your writing.

You're quite good at drawing on pop Americana, which gives your stories built-in texture (most of us have been to malls and the moment you say “food court” the echoey din, the fluorescence, the bright colors of the various food venue signs, the smells of fried food come flooding over us), and a light flavor of satire (at least I can't encounter a reference to maps of stars' homes or those morning radio station pranks without thinking it's being made fun of).

And in both stories, you manage a nice twist: star-struck dude didn't get a quickie with Alicia Silverstone (which is what everyone reading in the celebrities category is likely expecting), and the straying boyfriend doesn't get lucky with the mall hottie, which is again just the sort of improbable bit of porn most people have come to expect.

As with Clueless, your narrator's internal monologues work well at putting across his character.

But I think you're right that the immersive “showing” quality is still lacking. As was the case with “Clueless,” I never feel I'm in the action in “Shopping Mall Hottie.” Instead, it feels distant, a story being told to me by a quippy narrator.

Looking at the opening of your story:

"I'm hungry", Marcia whined.

We were standing in excruciatingly long line at Sbarro's in the mall Food Court . I was pretty hungry myself but wasn't bitching about it. Marcia had this annoying little whine she would do when she was getting impatient, especially when she started having a low blood sugar moment. Come to think of it, whenever she did just about anything lately, it was really starting to grate on my nerves. I'd been with her for over three years now. We'd broken up and gotten back together a couple times during then, but I knew I was never going to marry her.

She was still holding out hope, and probably I needed to suck it up and just cut it loose once and for all. We'd had some nice times but were pretty much in a rut. Plus I could never imagine someone complaining as much as Marcia could.

You open with one line of dialogue (works for me), then launch into two paragraphs of "telly" exposition. Instead of dumping all this context on us all at once, feed it to us little by little. A lot of it can be put across in a less expository/more showy manner, too.

For example, if you make them waiting in line more of a scene, you can build some tension--the smell of the food, the sight of people who've gotten their orders carrying plates of pizza glistening with grease, some annoying guy changing his order and taking forever at the cashier, a kid behind them repeatedly bumping nto the narrator's legs, the narrator feeling his stomache growl, Marcia bitching about how hungry she is, getting testy with the narrator over nothing, while he keeps up an amiable front despite his resentment and discomfort. We'll see that he's stoic and she's winey, and you won't have to tell us.

As for as all the background on their relationship, you could just have the narrator think something like, Christ, I never should have gotten back together with her after I broke up with her last time. The fact that she's holding out for marriage comes through when she drops the hint about the ring. At that point the narrator can just have a "Yeah, right," thought, and we'll get the picture, while staying in the flow of the action.

Here's a moment where you could do a better job of showing:
in an instant, the entire Food Court realized this little honey wasn't wearing any panties. In the next instant you could hear a collective slap as every wife and girlfriend smacked their men who were craning to get a view of the crack of her tight ass.

Unless I missed something, we don't know if she's wearing low-riding jeans or a short skirt. And you can make us feel him looking to long at the verboten booty by giving a blow-by-blow visual of her bending down, her hair cascading toward the floor, the denim easing down little by little, baring the outcurve of her hips, the first glimpse of the cleft of her ass... Then when Marcia snaps at him, we're all jolted out of that tantalizing moment and back into the less pleasant reality of the bitter girlfriend.

Also, it seems like you've got a continuity issue. At the food court we learn

in an instant, the entire Food Court realized this little honey wasn't wearing any panties.

but then in Nordstrom's,

“Misty" had reached in and pulled down her panties and tossed them at me. "...these should tie you over for while you wait"

While we're here, the showing issue again:
“Misty" had reached in and pulled down her panties...
Reached into what? A skirt? From above or below? I haven't the vaguest mental picture from the narrative.

The sex is over in even more of a flash for the reader than it is for the participants. Maybe you don't mean for it to be stroke material, and that's fine. If you do want us to get turned on, though, you need to build it up and draw it out in much more detail.

Overall, I think you do a great job of coming up with clever concepts, and you do a nice job of making the narrative amusing with the colorful internal monologue of the narrator. The big thing you should work on, I'd say, is taking your time crafting the key moments. Not every scene needs to have every sight and sound and scent “shown” to the reader, but certain moments can add to the story you're trying to tell. Use all five senses to help build tension or arousal or humor or disgust so we emotionally connect with the experiences of your characters.

Hopefully that somewhat helpful. :rose:

-V
 
Varian P said:
Emulation is a federally-approved mode of flattery. I'm still deciding, though, what I think of this deviation from the long-established five-O line break.

I'll ponder that important question, and your story, and advise you on both matters in the not too distant future.

Five-O? Haven't heard that phrase in years. I'm having visions of Jack Lord's hair.

Book 'em Danno.

Thanks, Varian P, for all your comments. I will read them in greater detail later on, and try to digest them. Your comparision to the other story helps me greatly, as are the specific examples you pointed out. Very helpful.

Magically appearing panties! Can't believe I missed that. Thanks, you and rachlou both, for pointing that one out :)

:rose:
 
ninefe2dg said:
Five-O? Haven't heard that phrase in years. I'm having visions of Jack Lord's hair.

Book 'em Danno.

Thanks, Varian P, for all your comments. I will read them in greater detail later on, and try to digest them. Your comparision to the other story helps me greatly, as are the specific examples you pointed out. Very helpful.

Magically appearing panties! Can't believe I missed that. Thanks, you and rachlou both, for pointing that one out :)

:rose:

Book 'im Daniel, Murder-One....sorry...couldn't resist it...

Overall, I thought your story had more twists and turns than Lombard Street...

I thought the dialog was excellent, and what I loved best were his thoughts...

I loved it.
 
longer sex scene! what does he see, smell, feel ... what dirty thoughts are going through his head? describe them, give the reader the same feelings that "steve" is having in the dressing room. make em twitch with a growing itch ...

the scene with his girlfriend... he hasn't had sex in ages (he says) and now she's coming at him outta the blue all hot and horny ... he's gotta be thinking, feeling, seeing more than - i'm gonna shove it in her and cum. what made her do this? is this the woman he fell in love with who has been hiding out ... when did she become a tigress? OMG, has she been doing this with someone other than him? how does his cock feel? is it throbbing, is his breathing increased? can he see straight? or is it just - yeah, fine - take it bitch! you make me wait three fucking years and NOW you want it???? what are his emotions? where is his humanity?

I agree a longer sex scene makes sense. Getting into how Steve experiences it sets him up for a bigger fall. I skirt the sex scenes (evidently not quite deftly enough) as I have difficulty differentiating them. Your suggestions are specific though, and very helpful. Thanks! :kiss:

rachlou I liked the story. It went in a different direction to the one I was expecting, which is good as I prefer to be surprised sometimes.

One point though. You said Miss French Fries was wearing no panties when she bent over in the food court. Then, in the dressing room of Nordstrom's, she whipped em off and gave them to Steve? How come she'd suddenly acquired underwear?

The dialogue was great. Steve really had no redeeming qualities by the end of the piece!

Thanks, rachlou, I'm glad you liked the twists. I'm happy, too that my enthusiasm for dialogue comes through, and hope at some point my telling/showing improves. Thanks for the comments!

Overall, I thought your story had more twists and turns than Lombard Street...

I thought the dialog was excellent, and what I loved best were his thoughts...

I loved it.

Thanks drkside, for the affirming comments. The dialogue and the internal conversations are my favorite things to write, glad it comes through...glad to hear you enjoyed it...
 
Replying...

Thank you!

Varian P said:
After reading “Clueless” and now “Shopping Mall Hottie,” I think I'm seeing a few patterns with your writing.

You're quite good at drawing on pop Americana, which gives your stories built-in texture (most of us have been to malls and the moment you say “food court” the echoey din, the fluorescence, the bright colors of the various food venue signs, the smells of fried food come flooding over us), and a light flavor of satire (at least I can't encounter a reference to maps of stars' homes or those morning radio station pranks without thinking it's being made fun of).

And in both stories, you manage a nice twist: star-struck dude didn't get a quickie with Alicia Silverstone (which is what everyone reading in the celebrities category is likely expecting), and the straying boyfriend doesn't get lucky with the mall hottie, which is again just the sort of improbable bit of porn most people have come to expect.

As with Clueless, your narrator's internal monologues work well at putting across his character.

Thanks for these comments, as the comparisons to the other story posted helps me see the patterns you've pointed out...



But I think you're right that the immersive “showing” quality is still lacking. As was the case with “Clueless,” I never feel I'm in the action in “Shopping Mall Hottie.” Instead, it feels distant, a story being told to me by a quippy narrator.

Looking at the opening of your story:

This is VERY important for me. I think I've been using "quippy narrator" as a surrogate for "showing", yet you're saying you feel distant despite you're liking (I'm assume since you don't call him "smartass narrator") him. That's a good awareness for me. I won't lose "quippy", I just won't assume it's doing all the "showing" heavy lifting...



You open with one line of dialogue (works for me), then launch into two paragraphs of "telly" exposition. Instead of dumping all this context on us all at once, feed it to us little by little. A lot of it can be put across in a less expository/more showy manner, too.

For example, if you make them waiting in line more of a scene, you can build some tension--the smell of the food, the sight of people who've gotten their orders carrying plates of pizza glistening with grease, some annoying guy changing his order and taking forever at the cashier, a kid behind them repeatedly bumping nto the narrator's legs, the narrator feeling his stomache growl, Marcia bitching about how hungry she is, getting testy with the narrator over nothing, while he keeps up an amiable front despite his resentment and discomfort. We'll see that he's stoic and she's winey, and you won't have to tell us.

Totally with you. I see what you're saying. I also said that to my golf pro in my last lesson but still can't quite execute. I'll grind away at it and see what can come up with (may have to "borrow" some of these ideas though, with the general theme of there being irritating things around Steve, but he may be getting inappropriately irritable given he's next to/with Marcia)

As for as all the background on their relationship, you could just have the narrator think something like, Christ, I never should have gotten back together with her after I broke up with her last time. The fact that she's holding out for marriage comes through when she drops the hint about the ring. At that point the narrator can just have a "Yeah, right," thought, and we'll get the picture, while staying in the flow of the action.

Here's a moment where you could do a better job of showing:

Again, understood, I see how that's more efficient!


Unless I missed something, we don't know if she's wearing low-riding jeans or a short skirt. And you can make us feel him looking to long at the verboten booty by giving a blow-by-blow visual of her bending down, her hair cascading toward the floor, the denim easing down little by little, baring the outcurve of her hips, the first glimpse of the cleft of her ass... Then when Marcia snaps at him, we're all jolted out of that tantalizing moment and back into the less pleasant reality of the bitter girlfriend
.

That's hot.

How do you DO that?





While we're here, the showing issue again:

Reached into what? A skirt? From above or below? I haven't the vaguest mental picture from the narrative.

Next time I'm at the mall I'll pay more attention to what people are wearing as I haven't the vaguest idea, either!

The sex is over in even more of a flash for the reader than it is for the participants. Maybe you don't mean for it to be stroke material, and that's fine. If you do want us to get turned on, though, you need to build it up and draw it out in much more detail.

I'll give it my best shot! Got some good pointers from q-girl's comments...

Overall, I think you do a great job of coming up with clever concepts, and you do a nice job of making the narrative amusing with the colorful internal monologue of the narrator. The big thing you should work on, I'd say, is taking your time crafting the key moments. Not every scene needs to have every sight and sound and scent “shown” to the reader, but certain moments can add to the story you're trying to tell. Use all five senses to help build tension or arousal or humor or disgust so we emotionally connect with the experiences of your characters.

Hopefully that somewhat helpful. :rose:

Yes, I'll work on striking those balances, as always, I am most grateful for your comments and insights!

:rose:

-V
 
Ninefe2dg,

I believe that you said you had not been writing that long. For a writer of say six months or so, you have done quite well. You should definitely continue with your efforts.

I had a bit of trouble at the beginning of the story, the whole scene at the food court. But it did pick up and definitely got better. The idea of the little cheaters game was interesting, a nice twist.

There were some editing and even spelling problems that you need to work on. I will give examples.

Besides the details, I had trouble liking any of the characters. Marcia was a self centered woman who wanted and wanted, never giving anything. The narrator Steve seemed somewhat similar. I am not sure what to say to change that.

Maybe a look at the details can help bring focus on this overall struggle I had with the characters.

I thought this a good beginning line.
"I'm hungry", Marcia whined.
I struggled with the second and third paragraphs. I think perhaps a bit too much summarization (telling not showing) before we really care about the characters.

The adjective excruciatingly hit me wrong. I do not like adjectives most of the time and adverbs rarely. I would write like the following: I stood in the mall food court. The long line at Sbarro's was like this snake winding its way into the rush of oncoming shoppers. And I was at the end of it.

pretty hungry is an adverb. I would simply say: I was starved myself, but wasn't bitching about it.

annoying little whine used another irritating adverb. I would say:
Marcia's little whine was giving me a headache. She was having one of her blood-sugar moments. We needed food fast.
We were standing in excruciatingly long line at Sbarro's in the mall Food Court . I was pretty hungry myself but wasn't bitching about it. Marcia had this annoying little whine she would do when she was getting impatient, especially when she started having a low blood sugar moment. Come to think of it, whenever she did just about anything lately, it was really starting to grate on my nerves. I'd been with her for over three years now.
You have a few extra words here. Concise is important. For example I would write the sentence as follows: We'd broken up and patched things together a couple of times already. I knew I would never marry her.
We'd broken up and gotten back together a couple times during then, but I knew I was never going to marry her.
The part of the sentence starting with suck did not communicate much to me. It was speech that my son might use and maybe you could use that in dialog. But not in the narration itself.
She was still holding out hope, and probably I needed to suck it up and just cut it loose once and for all.
Using three letters in a row to emphasize something or to show how someone is saying something doesn't work.
niiiicest - want??? - waaant
Another adverb - sarcastically. I don't like it. Say something like the following:
"You take me to the nicest places." Marsha's sarcasm had her typical nasal twang to it.
"You take me to the niiiicest places", Marcia said sarcastically

Most of my comments are just my opinions about editing. They are my opinions only.

Overall I think you are going in the right direction as to your writing. You just need to write and write and write. And then edit and edit and edit. And then read and read and read. I wish I had more time to write.
 
writelove said:
Ninefe2dg,

I believe that you said you had not been writing that long. For a writer of say six months or so, you have done quite well. You should definitely continue with your efforts.

Thank you for that bit of encouragement! Writing is something I'm enjoying quite a lot, especially now that I'm picking up quite a bit from the community here!

Besides the details, I had trouble liking any of the characters. Marcia was a self centered woman who wanted and wanted, never giving anything. The narrator Steve seemed somewhat similar. I am not sure what to say to change that.

Actually, I didn't go into this trying to create likeable characters. In fact, I intended for Steve to be rather loathsome. I did think that Marcia, while whiny, annoying, and not particularly likeable in her own right, might at least garner some sympathy. Others who have read the story but not commented on this thread, however, have remarked that she's a bitch, whiny, and someone "I'd just like to slap". To be honest, that delights me! So while I see your points on some of the technical aspects of the story and the presentation, I'm not sure I'm all that concerned about the likeability of either character (or Stacy, either)...

Maybe a look at the details can help bring focus on this overall struggle I had with the characters.

I thought this a good beginning line.

I struggled with the second and third paragraphs. I think perhaps a bit too much summarization (telling not showing) before we really care about the characters.

The adjective excruciatingly hit me wrong. I do not like adjectives most of the time and adverbs rarely. I would write like the following: I stood in the mall food court. The long line at Sbarro's was like this snake winding its way into the rush of oncoming shoppers. And I was at the end of it.

pretty hungry is an adverb. I would simply say: I was starved myself, but wasn't bitching about it.

annoying little whine used another irritating adverb. I would say:
Marcia's little whine was giving me a headache. She was having one of her blood-sugar moments. We needed food fast.

You have a few extra words here. Concise is important. For example I would write the sentence as follows: We'd broken up and patched things together a couple of times already. I knew I would never marry her.

All very important points, and yes, you seem to struggle with the beginning as other have. As I think through it there are any number of ways to "show", rather than "tell" the opening scene and in so doing, I hope to eliminate the need for the adverbs, as you rightly point out. Thanks.


The part of the sentence starting with suck did not communicate much to me. It was speech that my son might use and maybe you could use that in dialog. But not in the narration itself.

Maybe this is a style issue. But a balance I should be more aware of. Had someone else written this, for instance, I wouldn't object to "suck it up", or alternatively "man up", "shit or get off the pot", etc...my thinking is that if the narrator is himself a character, then the way he expresses himself reveals something about him/her to the reader. From having read your posts, I see you as more of a stickler (read the positive not negative connotation here!) for grammar, choice of words, etc.), which is fine. I don't necessarily feel bound by the rules per se, but your comments remind me I should stay somewhat tethered. You may rein me in some, but I'll always be looking to see where I can push the boundaries. One might argue, for instance, if "Steve" is your son's contemporary, that "suck it up" is the best way to characterize it. But I'm not arguing. I do see what you're saying, and I hear you!


Using three letters in a row to emphasize something or to show how someone is saying something doesn't work.

OK, is there an alternative? She's nasaly, whiny and annoying...how else might I characterize the speech? Open to suggestions, thx.

Another adverb - sarcastically. I don't like it. Say something like the following:
"You take me to the nicest places." Marsha's sarcasm had her typical nasal twang to it.

OK...perhaps this was the alternative! OK...


Most of my comments are just my opinions about editing. They are my opinions only.

No need to qualify! I wouldn't have asked you for them if I didn't want them. And I'm very grateful and appreciative you've taken the time to read, write, and comment.

Overall I think you are going in the right direction as to your writing. You just need to write and write and write. And then edit and edit and edit. And then read and read and read. I wish I had more time to write.

Again, thank you. Writing is quickly becoming a passion for me, and like two other passions, golf and sex, you don't have to be particularly good at it to enjoy it! I wish I had more time for it as well. I like the write and write and write, and the read and read and read. I'm still learning to like the edit and edit and edit, though! But it is just as necessary.

Thanks again, W/L.
 
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