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Old 10-31-2005, 05:17 AM   #126
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most people let their poetry speak for them... however, most of us speak quite well without worrying about siglines and such.. have a nice day.
Poetry can't speak if it doesn't find an audience. As far as my sig line goes, it just happens to be the chief tenet I live by in life, albeit spiced up a little bit. If I actually took time, like I used to, to care about people's unwanted opinions, I'd go insane.
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Old 10-31-2005, 05:23 AM   #127
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a man with out compassion casts a shadow of gloom!
Far from it, I'm a very compassionate person, as those who know me best can attest to.

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I can only point to the right way to display your poem which would be <create> a thread <asking for reads/ comments/ feedback... perhaps that will FLOW better.
I've tried creating threads in the past: both have stalled at the launching pad, so to speak.

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I have learned from the past that when a man stands behind a big symbol, their souls the size of a thimble. Not saying I know this to be your case but since your sigline points that you don't CARE what others think...then why ask?

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This is the one I've been itching to get to... LOL

The symbol itself has a history, starting first off as the relatively simple tattoo I have on my left arm. As I have evolved, so has it, and so it will continue. As far as the size of my soul goes, those who know me best know the answer to that question, regardless of what perverse and twisted (or perhaps honest and clean) angle you were aiming for.

I am sincerely hoping I've answered your questions, and disabling my signature since it seems to annoy people and always gets edited out anyway.... yeah right!
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Old 10-31-2005, 08:40 AM   #128
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<snip> I am sincerely hoping I've answered your questions, and disabling my signature since it seems to annoy people and always gets edited out anyway.... yeah right!
Actually, there's another solution, one can always use the ignore feature and not have to hear that obnoxious signature with their eyes, ever again.

I'm not so foolish as to ever place anyone on ignore, even an idiot may have something important to say. That said, I'll watch and maybe you'll realize, that in this case, it's not what you say, but how you say it.

You, too, have a nice day.
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Old 11-01-2005, 04:33 AM   #129
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:10 AM   #130
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:27 PM   #131
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RE: Found Poem #4 by Bill Dada

Shouldn't a found poem come from a non-literary source? Or at least be somewhat altered? I'm sure that others must be aware of it but this quote is somewhat famous -- quoted in the movie "Mephisto" but originally from the play "Schlageter" by the Nazi (and former expressionist) playwrite Hans Johst. It should more properly be translated "Whenever I hear of culture...I release the safety catch of my Browning."
 

Old 11-01-2005, 06:20 PM   #132
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RE: Found Poem #4 by Bill Dada

Shouldn't a found poem come from a non-literary source? Or at least be somewhat altered? I'm sure that others must be aware of it but this quote is somewhat famous -- quoted in the movie "Mephisto" but originally from the play "Schlageter" by the Nazi (and former expressionist) playwrite Hans Johst. It should more properly be translated "Whenever I hear of culture...I release the safety catch of my Browning."
Ubu, I was not aware of the movie or the play your mentioned in your post. I was reading an interview with a local almost celebrity in a local paper and he made that statement and it cracked me up. How well known is this play and movie? If they are somewhat known I'll pull the poem. I'd like to hear what others think about this.
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Old 11-01-2005, 08:06 PM   #133
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I looked it up and there are two rules regarding found poems, here they are;

1. There are no fucking rules.
2. Refer to rule number 1.
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Old 11-02-2005, 07:19 AM   #134
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Thank you Tess for recommending my poem, Room With a View, yesterday--and much thanks to those of you who commented. I was overwhelmed by the number of you who took the time to comment critically on the poem. I wrote it last winter and forgot I submitted it, so it was in"pending" status all this time.

Your comments are great food for thought. I will be reworking it soon, and thank you for your suggestions to shape it into a better piece. Yeah, I'll start with losing "demarcates."
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:14 AM   #135
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To be
Or not to be
That is the question


Follows all the "rules," doesn't it? Yet, I doubt if people would accept it as readily as they did a quote they hadn't heard of. Mr. Dada's moniker is interesting because dada was sort of the start of "found" objects being presented as art. But looking at the most famous examples of Marcel Duchamp's "ready mades" proves my point -- one was a urinal, the other the Mona Lisa with a mustache. He certainly didn't present an untouched Monet as his own.
 

Old 11-02-2005, 08:53 AM   #136
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Found poetry - the rearrangement of words or phrases taken randomly from other sources (example: clipped newspaper headlines, bits of advertising copy, handwritten cards pulled from a hat) in a manner that gives the rearranged words a completely new meaning.


taking this:

Whenever I hear
of culture,
I release the
safety catch
of my Browning


and making it this:

Whenever I hear
the word culture,
I release the
safety catch
on my pistol



...certainly does not qualify as 'found poetry.' the entire line was simply lifted, changed slightly by words but not meaning, and presented in its entirety with no rearrangement or meaning change.

it does, however, qualify as plagiarism.
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Old 11-02-2005, 11:54 AM   #137
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I'd like to hear what others think about this.
I completely agree with UBU and Patrick. There is no manipulation of the base material, so it is straight forward plagiarism, not found poetry.

For the record, because you asked, yes, it is a very well-known play and movie; but that's irrelevant. Whether you (anyone) plagiarise Shakespeare or your neighbour's cousin's grandmother, it's still always plagiarism.
 

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Old 11-02-2005, 11:57 AM   #139
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I saw your poetry post and knew you were checking out the other posts, so I thought I'd clean it up quickly. I'm surprised I beat you to it, speedy butt.
 

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I saw your poetry post and knew you were checking out the other posts, so I thought I'd clean it up quickly. I'm surprised I beat you to it, speedy butt.
I started responding there, thinking I'd have to move them afterwards, but when I hit "submit reply", it landed here. lol
 

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I started responding there, thinking I'd have to move them afterwards, but when I hit "submit reply", it landed here. lol
I didn't see that last reply of yours. It must have gotten dragged to this thread with the other posts. Sorry.
 

Old 11-02-2005, 04:15 PM   #142
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I looked it up and there are two rules regarding found poems, here they are;

1. There are no fucking rules.
2. Refer to rule number 1.
I have always understood plagiarism to be using material someone else wrote without giving them credit either by quoting directly or by closely paraphrasing their words. I have always understood found poetry to be a poem remade into something new using words from someone else's source material. I have not typically seen found poems made from other poems although one could argue that certain forms--like the glosa for example, which builds a new poem around lines from one already written--sort of are found poetry. Note that in the glosa, the quoted material that forms the basis for the new poem is always credited to the original author.

I don't think there are rules insofar as using the words in a poem--or any piece of literature--to create a new poem, a found poem, BUT if you simply paraphrase you have, at least to me, done nothing more than steal someone else's words. Furthermore if you researched plagiarism, I think you'd find my interpretation is pretty standard.

I'd be interested in your source and whether whoever it is has anything to say about plagiarism. One needs to be careful about these things. Plagiarism is considered actionable and we live in litigious times.
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.... Plagiarism is considered actionable ...
Sounds like an ad for a new toy, just in time for Christmas!

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Old 11-02-2005, 04:40 PM   #144
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I have always understood plagiarism to be using material someone else wrote without giving them credit either by quoting directly or by closely paraphrasing their words. I have always understood found poetry to be a poem remade into something new using words from someone else's source material. I have not typically seen found poems made from other poems although one could argue that certain forms--like the glosa for example, which builds a new poem around lines from one already written--sort of are found poetry. Note that in the glosa, the quoted material that forms the basis for the new poem is always credited to the original author.

I don't think there are rules insofar as using the words in a poem--or any piece of literature--to create a new poem, a found poem, BUT if you simply paraphrase you have, at least to me, done nothing more than steal someone else's words. Furthermore if you researched plagiarism, I think you'd find my interpretation is pretty standard.

I'd be interested in your source and whether whoever it is has anything to say about plagiarism. One needs to be careful about these things. Plagiarism is considered actionable and we live in litigious times.
Ah, The Litigious Times, my favorable small time newspaper. Litiginy is a little town in Maine up near you, right?

Actually I think there were a couple of old "found poem" threads on the PF&D board a while back. One was for poems made from "porn ad" copy, and I know there were poems made from the junk headers that a lot of SPAM uses to keep from getting filtered, because I collected a lot of it for "poetizing" at a later date. Here is just the start of what I had collected:

SPAM Poem:

SPoAM

wakeful clinging mulatto pudding
foolhardy polypropylene taffy
sepia magnolia thesaurus
pneumatic pelican tease
Hershey bicarameler
Micronesian Monteverdi ogre
foolhardy Pontiac despot
Argentinian matinee

Hallmark apology smooch
pizzacato dough
teakwood dressmaker's boggle tub
fluorescing internal monotonous larval spraint
schizoid pedagogy interregnum
bootstrapping bathroom quiet

Bronx sermon
bronze seaman
brackish semen
merit refusal
merry swain
cockleshell girlish Dickinson
petticoat and cufflink decor
Aberdeen snort drill
Caribbean scaup

imperceivable clod-thwack debt
indiscriminate Aristotelian chromatography
spectroscopic Jurassic murder
booky bankrupt - beckon deduct - billings connect
blacken sable begonia
supersede convocation strictures
purchasable Arizona condolence

. . . etc.
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Old 11-02-2005, 04:50 PM   #145
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Ah, The Litigious Times, my favorable small time newspaper. Litiginy is a little town in Maine up near you, right?

Actually I think there were a couple of old "found poem" threads on the PF&D board a while back. One was for poems made from "porn ad" copy, and I know there were poems made from the junk headers that a lot of SPAM uses to keep from getting filtered, because I collected a lot of it for "poetizing" at a later date. Here is just the start of what I had collected:

SPAM Poem:

SPoAM

wakeful clinging mulatto pudding
foolhardy polypropylene taffy
sepia magnolia thesaurus
pneumatic pelican tease
Hershey bicarameler
Micronesian Monteverdi ogre
foolhardy Pontiac despot
Argentinian matinee

Hallmark apology smooch
pizzacato dough
teakwood dressmaker's boggle tub
fluorescing internal monotonous larval spraint
schizoid pedagogy interregnum
bootstrapping bathroom quiet

Bronx sermon
bronze seaman
brackish semen
merit refusal
merry swain
cockleshell girlish Dickinson
petticoat and cufflink decor
Aberdeen snort drill
Caribbean scaup

imperceivable clod-thwack debt
indiscriminate Aristotelian chromatography
spectroscopic Jurassic murder
booky bankrupt - beckon deduct - billings connect
blacken sable begonia
supersede convocation strictures
purchasable Arizona condolence

. . . etc.
Oh stop it! You and fly! Both of you know exactly what I meant. I wrote a found poem based on the Gettysburg address once. It's buried somewhere in this forum. It doesn't add a word but it changes them all around into something totally different. "Twenty years and four score more..." though. That's plagiarism.

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Oh stop it! You and fly! Both of you know exactly what I meant. I wrote a found poem based on the Gettysburg address once. It's buried somewhere in this forum. It doesn't add a word but it changes them all around into something totally different. "Twenty years and four score more..." though. That's plagiarism.

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I want to hear you set it to a four-chord riff in A minor.
Open tunings baby.

which I probably couldn't find A anything in...
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I want to hear you set it to a four-chord riff in A minor.
A-minor, C, G. D.

Now thats plaigirisim.

Its all been written before.



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A-minor, C, G. D.

Now thats plaigirisim.

Its all been written before.



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Plagiarism, shlagiarism... can you dance to it?
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Plagiarism, shlagiarism... can you dance to it?
If he plays it, yeah. I'm another story....
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