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"Hollywood Movie Slump Blamed on Dull Movies." That's the byline on Drudge. How many Einsteins did it take to figure that one out?

Aren't there any good movie ideas out there? Perhaps one of you is holding on to a little gem...nah, scratch that. There's already enough porn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/m...&ex=1125460800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

The New York Times
August 24, 2005
Summer Fading, Hollywood Sees Fizzle
By SHARON WAXMAN

LOS ANGELES, Aug. 23 - With the last of the summer blockbusters fading from the multiplex, Hollywood's box office slump has hardened into a reality that is setting the movie industry on edge. The drop in ticket sales from last summer to this summer, the most important moviegoing season, is projected to be 9 percent by Labor Day, and the drop in attendance is expected to be even deeper, 11.5 percent, according to Exhibitor Relations, which tracks the box office.

Multiples theories for the decline abound: a failure of studio marketing, the rising price of gas, the lure of alternate entertainment, even the prevalence of commercials and pesky cellphones inside once-sacrosanct theaters. But many movie executives and industry experts are beginning to conclude that something more fundamental is at work: Too many Hollywood movies these days, they say, just are not good enough.

"Part of this is the fact that the movies may not have lived up to the expectations of the audience, not just in this year, but in years prior," said Michael Lynton, chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment, which had some flops this summer, including the science fiction action movie "Stealth" and the romantic comedy "Bewitched." "Audiences have gotten smart to the marketing, and they can smell the good ones from the bad ones at a distance."

Even Robert Shaye, the studio leader behind "The Wedding Crashers," one of the summer's runaway hits, shares the worry about the industry's ability to connect with audiences. "I believe it's a cumulative thing, a seismic evolution of people's habits," said Mr. Shaye, chairman of New Line Cinema.

In previous years, he said, "you could still count on enough people to come whether you failed at entertaining them or not, out of habit, or boredom, or a desire to get out of the house. You had a little bit of backstop."

With competition from video games, hundreds of television channels and DVD's, that's no longer the case, he said. The problem, these studio leaders and other industry experts seemed to say, was not only that a steady diet of formulaic plots, too-familiar special-effects vehicles and remakes of television shows has, over time, left the average moviegoer hungry for better entertainment.

Marc Shmuger, vice chairman of Universal, said Hollywood has been too focused on short-term box office payoff and not focused enough on what he called "the most elemental factor of all" - the satisfaction of the moviegoing experience.

"It wasn't like the last crop of summer movies were that much better than this summer," said Mr. Shmuger, whose studio's recent releases included the success "The 40-Year-Old Virgin" and several disappointments, including "Cinderella Man," "The Perfect Man" and "Kicking and Screaming." "This summer has been as deadening as it has been exciting, and there's a cumulative wearing down effect. We're beginning to witness the results of that. People are just beginning to wake up that what used to pass as summer excitement isn't that exciting, or that entertaining. This is vividly clear in terms of the other choices that consumers have."

The blockbuster hits of last summer, including "Spider-Man 2," "Shrek 2" and "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," performed more or less on the same level as this year's hits, including "Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith," "Batman Begins" and "War of the Worlds." But too many big-budget movies, including "The Island" and "Stealth," flopped entirely, while other films, from "Bad News Bears" to "Herbie: Fully Loaded" to "The Great Raid," were disappointing.

The box office numbers have led to intense, broad-ranging conversations across Hollywood about the implications. Many studios have commissioned market research to investigate the causes of moviegoing behavior - or the lack thereof. At New Line, executives have been talking about the "sameness of everything" on movie schedules, one executive said. At 20th Century Fox this week, a half-dozen top executives held an impromptu brainstorming session at the commissary with a reporter, debating the effects of gas prices and marketing missteps.

Tom Rothman, co-chairman of 20th Century Fox, was one of the few to see no negative trend in the current numbers. "Everybody keeps saying it's the worst of times; it seems fine to me," said Mr. Rothman, whose studio has had some big-budget successes this summer, with "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" and "The Fantastic Four." He noted, for example, that the advent of DVD's has expanded the overall revenues of the movie industry. "For us the business is healthy, but it requires management," Mr. Rothman said.

Just about everywhere else, though, the concern is palpable - and understandable, not only because of the performance of this summer's movies, but also because a decline is discernible over time: overall movie attendance, a figure not affected by inflation, has slid to below where it stood in mid-August 2001. DVD sales, while still robust, are no longer rising exponentially, and some analysts say that a poor box office performance this summer will lead to poor DVD sales this winter.

With billions of dollars at stake, nerves are growing understandably frayed. Last week, John Fithian, the president of the National Association of Theatre Owners, accused Robert A. Iger , the incoming chief executive of Walt Disney, of leveling a "death threat" at theater owners for having suggested that the lesson to be drawn from the slump is that moviegoers want films to be accessible in theaters and on DVD simultaneously.

"The structure of the industry is sound," said Mr. Fithian, who believes in maintaining a distance between the theatrical release and the DVD. "We just need a few more good movies."

Mr. Iger had observed that studios ignored consumers at their peril. "We can't allow tradition to stand in the way of where the consumer can go, or wants to go," he told analysts this month, warning that "the music industry learned this the hard way."

Mr. Iger's conclusion - that consumers want the choice of seeing movies in their homes at the same time as in the theater - is being reached by others in the industry as well. But it remains contentious, resisted not only by the owners of theater chains. Mr. Lynton of Sony was adamant that the theatrical experience should be protected, while Mr. Shaye said he was still "on the fence" on the subject.

Warren Lieberfarb, a former Warner Brothers executive who was a main advocate of the DVD in the early 90's, warned that going to the movies had become too expensive over all, given the excellent quality of home theater. "It's not just the DVD. It's not just the DVD window," he said. "It's the flat-panel television and the sound system, with the DVD option, that has radically changed the quality of the in-home experience. The home theater has arrived." As a result, he said, "you have to change the business model of the movie business."

With the task so large, and so very complex, Hollywood is still grappling with how to broach solutions.

Mr. Lynton said he would focus on making "only movies we hope will be really good." At Fox, executives said they are looking to limit marketing costs. At Universal, Mr. Shmuger said he intends to reassert "time and care and passion" in movie production. Some of his own summer movies, he conceded, should never have been made.

He declined to name them.
 
Good Lord.

They may have to lower prices at the theaters, and not pay the stars multi-million dollar salaries.

The horror!!!
 
The SAG will not stand for that. Has any group ever been named more appropriately? ;)
 
It's amazing to me that these fucks just now make the connection between good movies and ticket sales. They been churning out one turd after another for so long that they've lowered standards for the entire industry.

Not to mention the 20 minutes of commercials you have to watch in order to go see something.
 
Lovin Tongue said:
It's amazing to me that these fucks just now make the connection between good movies and ticket sales. They been churning out one turd after another for so long that they've lowered standards for the entire industry.

Not to mention the 20 minutes of commercials you have to watch in order to go see something.

They realize that they actually have some competition in entertainment now, which is good. Of course, with movies like "The Dukes of Hazzard," we're seeing the latest signs of the apocalypse.
 
BoobsNBrains said:
They realize that they actually have some competition in entertainment now, which is good. Of course, with movies like "The Dukes of Hazzard," we're seeing the latest signs of the apocalypse.

i'll be the first to agree with you there. They even tried to sell it to the simpletons with Jessica Simpsons' tits and ass but couldn't pull it off this time.

I get tired of the same old script with the same situations and the same outcome. I think that is what happens when you make a movie using a marketing survey though.
 
Noth America is at the start of cinema crisis in number of theater entrance except here in Quebec only. They are opening again and again big multiplex movies theater...... whats saving them here are movies made in Quebec.

like always we dont do things like the others :rolleyes:
 
It could also be because the majority of Americans are pissed that bonehead actors can't keep their mouths shut and stay out of politics.

Is it me or have most of you noticed that we haven't really heard much lately from Hollywood?

I heard yesterday that producers and directors and the Hollywood suits in general issued a "Fatwa" that there are no movies to be put out showing Muslims in a bad light.

I know many would blame it on our current climate of political correctness. I know most of its probably based on that. But I think another reason is they don't wanna stir up public sentiment against Muslims and then you start hearing that Abu got shot in the Quicky Mart.

I'm sure the Muslim community both here and abroad invest quite a bit of money in Hollywood.


But I still think it stinks. If it walks like a duck.........
 
Geez what took this thread so long to be posted. When they started making re-runs of old movies I knew the end was nigh. Of course Canadas doing ok because we film 3/4 of our movies there lately but I mean come on I have seen three movies based on the original so far. "Guess who's coming to dinner"
 
It's very rare that I come out of a movie theatre saying, "Wow, that was great."

I usually consider it a successful venture if the movie is okay.
 
DevilishTexan said:
The main reason I don't go to the movies. I don't mind paying an actor 1.00.


I get bent about paying him 5.00.

That plus you steal em off the net. :D

That will be the first thing they claim is the reason for low ticket sales. After that it will be the writers fault. Then maybe actors will start getting paid less.
 
It is the writers' fault. They're the ones who can't come up with fresh, original story ideas and scripts. Instead, they keep churning out the same overdone, re-hashed shite.
 
incognito said:
It is the writers' fault. They're the ones who can't come up with fresh, original story ideas and scripts. Instead, they keep churning out the same overdone, re-hashed shite.

Jesus Harold Christ. It's started already. :D

There are tons of scripts out there that are good. The problem is getting the studios to take a chance on them instead of re-working the same old crap.
 
SAG ... I think Team America had it better (FAG)

Oh yes I love the tons of pointless commercials I have to sit through to get to the previews of the crappy movies I am not going to see and the 1 cool one that doesn't come out for another 8 months.

Wedding Crashers was great. It didn't cost much to make and has made over 100 mil at the box office. No special effects, no explosions, no Tom Cruise jumping up on couches and most importantly Nudity :)

Apu works at the Kwik E Mart (or however its spelled)

I would rather stay home and buy a new release dvd for 16 bucks then spend $19 for tickets $10 for gas $12 or drinks and popcorn and still be stuck to people talking during the movie, the baby crying and my favorite when the projector people can't even get the thing on the screen.

I now only go see Event movies or the ones I know I will love... and I used to be the kid that went to the movies every week to see the newest flick.
 
hahahahaha...

right to the bank...

imagine
knowing that
you are part
of
'creating' such sub-par faire

and...
continuing to squeeze it out...

experienced.
 
My favorite film in months has been "The Aristocrats."
This is telling: it's a documentary about one joke.
The people featured were largely unpaid.
There were no sets, no plot devices, no special effects.
It was largely unscripted.
It will likely be shown only in art-houses (the language is prodigiously rough in parts).

And it was, as a result, terrifically entertaining.
 
I rarely go to see movies and am hypercritical of them. Then people bitch at me about it. It's like they've been tempered to accept that okay is stellar, mediocre is good, and poor is okay. finally people are realizing that it there money they're spending and the should expect something for it.
The actors union . .. SAG i mean, needs to go back to encouraging better acting and discouraging overpaid actors. With so many actors now and so many bland scripts, most producers just find actors whose natural personality fits the role, thus taking acting out of the movies. Where are the marlon brandos, james woods, Richard driffus, micheal canes, or gene hackmans of today(and tomorrow)? There aren't any. most actors today are too content being typecast and not bothering to act. Just one more thing coupled with poor predictable story lines to make most movies not worth the 8 dollars to see them. And don't get me started on movie prices. Suffice it to say I went to a double feature drive in showing star wars episode III and Batman Begins for 5.00 a head. If they can do that, so can the giant theatres!
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"It could also be because the majority of Americans are pissed that bonehead actors can't keep their mouths shut and stay out of politics. "

Yeah...that's it. That's it exactly.

Hee.
 
I'm beginning to think that I'm totally out of the loop as far as movies go. They all seem to be geared to 14-19 guys with explosions, fake tits and LOUD sound effects or midlife crisis guys with the female lead being generations younger than the hero and retreads of plots that weren't really that great the first time around. There are tons of movies that sound kinda interesting, but nothing that warrants the big screen. I'll wait for HBO, DVD, etc.

I did see March of the Penguins great movie

I'd like to see The Aristocrats but I dooubt if it will make it to a local theater. The folks around here refused to allow a Hooter's because of community standards!
 
glynndah said:
I'm beginning to think that I'm totally out of the loop as far as movies go. They all seem to be geared to 14-19 guys with explosions, fake tits and LOUD sound effects or midlife crisis guys with the female lead being generations younger than the hero and retreads of plots that weren't really that great the first time around. There are tons of movies that sound kinda interesting, but nothing that warrants the big screen. I'll wait for HBO, DVD, etc.

I did see March of the Penguins great movie

I'd like to see The Aristocrats but I dooubt if it will make it to a local theater. The folks around here refused to allow a Hooter's because of community standards!

I thought March of the Penguins was over-rated, but certainly one of the better summer films.

I saw a bunch of good stuff this summer, but that's because I fortunately don't have to depend on Hollywood for movie offerings:

My Summer of Love
Howl's Moving Castle
2046
Mad Hot Ballroom
Murderball
March of the Penguins
Brothers
Ladies in Lavender
Mondovino (we just got that one in June)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
Oldboy

Going to see Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill today or tomorrow. And I suppose I'll see Broken Flowers, everyone's talking about. I'm more interested in Yes and Me, You and Everyone We Know (or something like that).
 
here are ways Hollywood can improve its image:
1. dont rely on car chases, explosions and blondes w/ fake tits to tell a story
2. a movie CAN be made w/ a budget of under $5M
3. go w/ a cast of unknowns, they can be better than veterans
4. stop w/ the shitty camera angles, its not clever, its annoying
5. a decent script does not require a big studio. Fuck you Paramount.
 
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