Health care and the American automobile

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Health care and the American automobile
George Will
May 1, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Who knew? Speculation about which welfare state will be the first to buckle under the strain of the pension and medical costs of aging populations usually focuses on European nations with declining birth rates and aging populations. Who knew the first to buckle would be General Motors, with Ford not far behind?

GM is a car and truck company -- for the 74th consecutive year, the world's largest -- and has revenues greater than Arizona's gross state product. But GM's stock price is down 45 percent since a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.

In 2003 GM's pension fund needed an infusion from the largest corporate debt offering in history. And the cost of providing health coverage for 1.1 million GM workers, retirees and dependents is estimated to be $5.6 billion this year. Their coverage is enviable -- at most, small co-payments for visits to doctors and for pharmaceuticals, but no deductibles or monthly premiums.

GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag -- are one of the main reasons it lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter of 2005. Ford's profits fell 38 percent, and although Ford had forecast 2005 profits of $1.4 billion to $1.7 billion, it now probably will have a year's loss of $100 million to $200 million. All this while Toyota's sales are up 23 percent this year and Americans are buying cars and light trucks at a rate that would produce 2005 sales almost equal to the record of 17.4 million in 2000.

In 1962 half the cars sold in America were made by GM. Now its market share is roughly 25 percent. In 1999 the Big Three -- GM, Ford, Chrysler -- had 71 percent market share. Their share is now 58 percent and falling. Twenty-three percent of those working for auto companies in North America now work for companies other than the Big Three, up from 14.6 percent just five years ago.

The Big Three have cut 130,394 North American hourly and salaried workers since 2000, while the ``transplants" -- foreign automakers with American assembly plants -- have added 27,183. In the first quarter of 2005 the Big Three operated 64 assembly plants, down from 70 in five years, during which the transplants' factories have increased from 19 to 23, with more coming.

GM says its health care burdens, negotiated with the United Auto Workers, put it at a $5 billion disadvantage against Toyota in the United States because Japan's government, not Japanese employers, provides almost all health care in Japan. This reasoning could produce a push by much of corporate America for the federal government to assume more health care costs. This would be done in the name of ``leveling the playing field" to produce competitive ``fairness."

But remember: Employer-provided health insurance is employee compensation. It became important during the Second World War when there were wage controls and a shortage of workers. Because wages could not be bid up, companies competed for workers by offering the untaxed benefit of health care. If GM's $5.6 billion were given not as untaxed workers' compensation in the form of health care, but as taxable cash compensation of equal after-tax value, it would cost GM substantially more than $5.6 billion. Which means that soon -- GM's UAW contract is up in 2007 -- GM's workers may have to give back a value of at least $1,500 a year.

However, GM will have to recognize that health care costs are not a comprehensive alibi for its woes. Its array of brands is too large and anachronistic: Will American buyers ever again regard Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick and Cadillac as ascending rungs on a status ladder?

GM can still develop splendid cars: today's Cadillacs may be the best American cars ever built. But every dollar GM spends on health care cannot be spent on developing cars -- hybrids, for example -- more enticing to buyers than some new offerings like the Pontiac G6 and Buick LaCrosse.

Health care for retirees and their families -- there are 2.6 of them for every active worker -- is 69 percent of GM's health costs. GM says it has $19.8 billion in cash and normal mortality rates will reduce the ratio of retirees to active workers. Meanwhile, Rick Wagoner, GM's CEO, can only muse, ``It's strange. When I joined GM 28 years ago, I did it because I love cars and trucks. I had no idea I'd wind up working as a health-care administrator."

Full, and pointless, disclosure: Mrs. Will is a consultant to the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association. She drives a Cadillac.


If it weren't so sad, it'd be funny.

Ishmael
 
Jim Stanford, an economist with the Canadian Auto Workers union, said employers who could operate in either country save $4 per hour per worker by choosing Canada. "That's a reasonably significant differential. . . . It's one of the reasons Canada's auto industry has done a lot better," he said.

In a joint letter circulated in Canada in November 2002, officials from Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler said "the public health system significantly reduces total labour costs . . . compared to the cost of equivalent private health insurance services purchased by U.S.-based automakers."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34899-2004Mar5?language=printer
 
When I was young, health care was up to the individual.

When we see one example of government doing one thing efficiently, then we should begin to trust them wirth the most important issues and decisions of our lives.

It's time for people to stop relying on their employer or their Congressmen as their nannies and stand on their own two feet.

Plus if we instituted HR25 American corporations would experience a boom and this would fade along with the social security issue.

And this won't happen as long as Government is in charge of Education.
 
Where's the suprise?

Obviously it's to my advantage to transfer the costs to others. If I can get the government (read that as EVERY taxpayer) to subsidize the health care of my workers I'd be a fool not to try.

The problem is, is that there's nothing "free" under the sun.

At the height of the "Welfare State" approximately 72 cents out of every welfare dollar was spent on the administration of the program. For the most part, welfare was a jobs program for those that were charged with administration and oversight. I can well imagine the same sorry state of affairs for a national health care program.

Ishmael
 
******* said:
When I was young, health care was up to the individual.

When we see one example of government doing one thing efficiently, then we should begin to trust them wirth the most important issues and decisions of our lives.

It's time for people to stop relying on their employer or their Congressmen as their nannies and stand on their own two feet.

Plus if we instituted HR25 American corporations would experience a boom and this would fade along with the social security issue.

And this won't happen as long as Government is in charge of Education.

The most efficient expenditure of monies are those monies the individual spends on their own behalf. It's the only means by which "fair" market prices are arrived at.

Today, in this country, health care prices are fixed by the government in the guise of medicare/medicaid payment limits. This means that inorder for the health care industry to give itself a raise, they need only lobby their congressperson. There is no need to compete for the consumers dollar in the open market.

Ishmael
 
GM's stock is down because their cars suck. It was on the front page of USA Today 3 days ago. When was the last time someone under 50 bought a Buick?
 
I thought they stopped making Buicks?

Their trucks sell well! They're among the best things on the road! My little S-10 has well over a quarter-million miles on it and nothing major has ever gone wrong! They just can't seem to do that with labor costs so high to a sedan and still be able to sell it.
 
******* said:
I thought they stopped making Buicks?

Their trucks sell well! They're among the best things on the road! My little S-10 has well over a quarter-million miles on it and nothing major has ever gone wrong! They just can't seem to do that with labor costs so high to a sedan and still be able to sell it.


As ******* has just demonstrated, GM doesn't even have brand awareness of a billion dollar product line. What does their cost in producing their product have anything to do with that? If Buicks were $10, ******* wouldn't know that they were still being made to buy one.

GM's problem is one in which they aren't nimble enough to change along with their consumer. That kind of stubborness sinks dinosaurs while Toyota and Nissan move on.
 
I don't understand what you are trying to say in that first paragraph.

Toyotas aren't innovative, just built damned well by a people who tend to be maniacally fixated on the task on hand.

The American worker who doesn't build worth a damn is only fixated on getting more out of less, something drilled into him/her by big government schools and social engineering...

;) ;)

Most of them should be replaced by robots anyway...

:D
 
To be sure Kilgore Trout wrote a book about where there were two classes...

The engineers and the Public Works guys.
 
******* said:
The American worker who doesn't build worth a damn is only fixated on getting more out of less, something drilled into him/her by the example of the money-grubbing scum who run the corporations they work for....

There. I fixed your factual error. :)
 
Marxist said:
GM's stock is down because their cars suck. It was on the front page of USA Today 3 days ago. When was the last time someone under 50 bought a Buick?

One of the reasons they suck is that the money that would be going into developing better, more salable vehicles is instead spent on fringe benefits like health care for current and retired employees. First-hand example: The GM plant I worked at for seven years had a cost per vehicle of roughly $1500-1800. The cost of retiree benefits per vehicle was, at that same time, around $3000.

GM's structural costs are going to be the death of the company. They gave away the store in past negotiations (in more ways that just this) and are now paying the piper.
 
it doesn't help matters that they design butt-ugly cars.

le sabre anyone? aztek? ext?
 
Since cars and health care are linked in this nifty little thread, ever stop to wonder why some people won't give a second thought to paying $400, $500, $600 a month for a car, but the idea of spending half that much for a health insurance policy is considered too much and the government should be involved?
 
Ham Murabi said:
Since cars and health care are linked in this nifty little thread, ever stop to wonder why some people won't give a second thought to paying $400, $500, $600 a month for a car, but the idea of spending half that much for a health insurance policy is considered too much and the government should be involved?

When you say it that way, it does put it into perspective, doesn't it?
 
Gringao said:
One of the reasons they suck is that the money that would be going into developing better, more salable vehicles is instead spent on fringe benefits like health care for current and retired employees. First-hand example: The GM plant I worked at for seven years had a cost per vehicle of roughly $1500-1800. The cost of retiree benefits per vehicle was, at that same time, around $3000.

GM's structural costs are going to be the death of the company. They gave away the store in past negotiations (in more ways that just this) and are now paying the piper.

That may be so but when you have only one car (the Corvette) that people are willing to pay anywhere near retail for wouldn't you say that you're putting the cart before the horse in terms of priorities?

Think about it this way: If you owned a giant bakery that only sold one kind of bagel on the day it was baked (the rest are discounted and sold as day old bread), your problems isn't worker costs, IT'S YOUR PRODUCT.

Duh

duh

duh
 
******* said:
When I was young, health care was up to the individual.
People also died at an earlier age back then because they couldn't afford health care.

Why don't you go work in Singapore, after all their sweat shops are as moral as they get in your world.
 
******* said:
Plus if we instituted HR25 American corporations would experience a boom and this would fade along with the social security issue.

And this won't happen as long as Government is in charge of Education.


If you are referring to the Fair Tax, you are "spot on" as they say. I don't understand the saying, but it sounds cool and British.

PS- I have never used it in conversation. I am to shy.
 
$1,525 per car for health care. $2,000 per car for the obscene bonus the CEO got for closing the plant and throwing thousands of people out of work.
Workers of the world, unite!
Happy May Day.
:cool:
 
Ham Murabi said:
Since cars and health care are linked in this nifty little thread, ever stop to wonder why some people won't give a second thought to paying $400, $500, $600 a month for a car, but the idea of spending half that much for a health insurance policy is considered too much and the government should be involved?
Because after spending $600 a month on health care you still get dinged with hundreds of thousands of dollars of bills after you find out the hard way that your $600 insurance insurance doesn't cover more than $100 grand of your cancer treatments.

BTW how do you even know most people who don't have insurance have any car payments at all? Or a car, period? Or is this one of those things that you assert and which we are supposed to just accept?
 
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