Palestrina

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

Everything he wrote was perfect.

Every note...

He defined the form.

It takes about two hundred years to understand this.

Jedi_Princess · Apr 18, 2005

Who's that?

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

Jedi_Princess said:
Who's that?

Some famous guy.

Like Bach and Beethoven.

You know, music.

gman23 · Apr 18, 2005

He was in the Back Street Boys right?

Jedi_Princess · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Some famous guy.

Like Bach and Beethoven.

You know, music.

Well, I know those two but I haven't heard of Palestrina, was he any good?

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

Jedi_Princess said:
Well, I know those two but I haven't heard of Palestrina, was he any good?

Missae Papae Marcelli?

The mass that might have saved Western polyphonic music from extinction?

Well, he was pretty good, for sure.

If he hadn't been born, we might all be chanting Gregorian chants still.

Jedi_Princess · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Missae Papae Marcelli?

The mass that might have saved Western polyphonic music from extinction?

Well, he was pretty good, for sure.

If he hadn't been born, we might all be chanting Gregorian chants still.

*shrug* doesn't ring a bell sorry, I may have heard it without knowing whot was though

breakwall · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Everything he wrote was perfect.

Every note...

He defined the form.

It takes about two hundred years to understand this.

You're older than you look.

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

Jedi_Princess said:
*shrug* doesn't ring a bell sorry, I may have heard it without knowing whot was though

Thank him for every note you hear.

Without Palestrina and Bach music as we know it would not exist.

BTW, on behalf of the dead: "you're welcome..."

Jedi_Princess · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Thank him for every note you hear.

Without Palestrina and Bach music as we know it would not exist.

BTW, on behalf of the dead: "you're welcome..."

Coooooool

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

breakwall said:
You're older than you look.

Sir, I was old at eighteen.

How many lives can one live and not feel old?

rabbitclit · Apr 18, 2005

never heard of him either. maybe he was a member of KISS? ya think!

breakwall · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Sir, I was old at eighteen.

How many lives can one live and not feel old?

I'm pretty sure this is my first time around. My inner child pretty much runs the place.

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

breakwall said:
I'm pretty sure this is my first time around. My inner child pretty much runs the place.

Probably.

In one way I envy you; in another way I don't.

Ten thousand lives later, what is new?

Good luck, friend; come to California, we'll put you up; I can still show you a few things.

This is my last time, but I still have a few tricks up my sleeve.

Gusty Wind · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Probably.

....blah blah..... I still have a few tricks up my sleeve.

woa

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

Gusty Wind said:
woa

phrodeau · Apr 18, 2005

I think a greater debt is owed to J.J. Fux for codifying Palestrina's counterpoint in the "Gradus ad Parnassum".

And I think it's more fun to say "thank Fux for modern music".

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

phrodeau said:
I think a greater debt is owed to J.J. Fux for codifying Palestrina's counterpoint in the "Gradus ad Parnassum".

And I think it's more fun to say "thank Fux for modern music".

That is absurd.

Palestrina's music had far more influence than to wait for some dork to analyze it.

Hello.

atmas · Apr 18, 2005

Byron In Exile said:
Thank him for every note you hear.

Without Palestrina and Bach music as we know it would not exist.

BTW, on behalf of the dead: "you're welcome..."

The Dead? You're saying Palestrina influenced Jerry Garcia?
Imagine the plainchant version of "Truckin'."

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

atmas said:
The Dead? You're saying Palestrina influenced Jerry Garcia?
Imagine the plainchant version of "Truckin'."

He totally influenced The Dead, all the way, especially Terrapin Station.

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

phrodeau said:
I think a greater debt is owed to J.J. Fux for codifying Palestrina's counterpoint...

He came along after the master was dead and tried to define a system; not to subtract from Fux's work.

To Hell with codification of Palestrina. Many have tried with Bach's work with less success.

I think Jeppesen's work with Palestrina is the best.
He understands 16th Century counterpoint, and what led up to it.

You have to know Machaut, Dufay, Ockheghem, Obrecht, Des Prez, Machaut, until you get to Lassus and Palestrina. That's a whole nother fucking century or two later.

Equinoxe · Apr 18, 2005

Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is actually one of my favourite composers, his compositions of Catholic church music are amazing; and of course when it comes to Western polyphonic music he was of course most influential.

But then, I have a fondness for the music of the Church, even that of Protestant churches (especially the work of Henry Purcell).

Edited to say: Spiritus Sanctus replevit, motet for 8 voices (a bit obscure) is actually one of my favourite musical pieces ever.

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

I wish there were some way I could say what it is, but I can't. The human voice is the most perfect instrument there is. It is the only one made by nature, the most expressive.

phrodeau · Apr 18, 2005

Well, there's the old argument between creating and marketing. Who would be listening to Mahler today if it wasn't for Bernstein? Bach's popularity owes much to Mendelssohn, Mozart and Schumann.

Byron In Exile · Apr 18, 2005

Equinoxe said:
Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is actually one of my favourite composers, his compositions of Catholic church music are amazing; and of course when it comes to Western polyphonic music he was of course most influential.

But then, I have a fondness for the music of the Church, even that of Protestant churches (especially the work of Henry Purcell).

His music has become perfect. All counterpoint is now compared to his. Not without merit, but still, why should all music be compared with perfection?

Shall there not be some imperfect music?

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