Extreme, Perverse *fantasies*

this is for all you lovely perverts out there *looks for Mr. Rosco*....why not share your most dark, twisted, extreme sexual fantasies....the ones you'd never ever wish to make reality, the ones that perhaps make you question your own sanity?? why do you think you have such fantasies? where do you think they come from? does it disturb you that you have such thoughts?

to start things off, i'll reveal i have at times fantasized about snuff....being brutally raped, beaten and tortured until death comes to me in a very painful, gruesome way. perhaps suffocating to death with a cock down my throat....or being fully impaled vaginally on a jagged broomstick, my insides being rearranged and stirred about. the most intense fantasies involve me dying ever so slowly...being beaten, stabbed, disfigured bit by bit, being forced to serve sexually all the while. until finally my body gives out and death takes me....and my death driving my rapist(s) to an earth shattering orgasm. *shivers*.......believe it or not that is not even my most extreme fantasy.....am sad to say i have an unceasingly perverse mind.

please tell me i'm not the only one?

You're not the only one. I gave up the idea long ago that I had to understand and/or justify them to anyone (though it is interesting to see where they lead) and have found that has allowed me to go much deeper and darker more often. As to where they come from? I think that is simply my own imagination which I have always been told is overactive when let loose, and a desire to explore the extremes, meet challenges, and feel.

I outgrew the knight in shining armour (well the traditional fairytale type) fantasies of hearts and gentlemanly heroes at least 25 years ago....they leave me feeling cold and certainly do not inspire any sexual urges. Snuff is an interesting dimension to contemplate and can have desire to be lived reality from both sides I have found, though for all concerned that would be a rather ultimate and tragically directed path to follow. I find it sad many who do find the more bizarre or believed to be unusual fantasies cross their minds have a kneejerk reaction to berate themselves for their thoughts and push them as far down in the subconscious as possible, thus denying a part of themselves out of fear.

Catalina

This is not meant as a put down.

Maybe I'm too literal. Maybe I've been a nurse for too long and seen too many things. All I know is that there is no way I can eroticise something this extreme. After I read through this, I shut down my computer and tried to do something else as I tried to sort through the extreme emotional reaction it sparked in me. But I'm back to respond to this in the only way I can live with. The following is graphic and disturbing, yet I've left out many details.

You see, I know full well exactly what being impaled on a jagged broomstick does to a woman. I've seen it. I had buried the memory of what that looked like deep in the recesses of my brain in the hope that I'd never have to take it out and look at it again. Yet here I sit, with it as clear in my mind's eye as if time were turned back about 20 years.

She was lovely. She died in extreme pain. I'll spare you the description of the look frozen on her face. The broom handle penetrated from her vagina, up through her abdomen and stirred things about, then traveled up to her chest cavity. The killer sliced her belly open and fucked the wound. We knew this because there was cum in the lesion as well as on her skin. When she was found, the broom was still lodged inside her... the straw was stained with her blood, urine and stool which also ran down her inner thighs and pooled under her body.

I hope you guys keep these dark fantasies well in the realm of imagination where you can enjoy them safely. I don't think you'd like the reality. One thing is certain... you wouldn't enjoy it for long. I'm going to try and block this out of my head again. I'm not coming back to this thread for fear some other buried vision may be triggered by somebody else's fantasy. Like I say, I've seen alot of awful things over the years.

Re: This is not meant as a put down.

Desdemona said:

Maybe I'm too literal. Maybe I've been a nurse for too long and seen too many things. All I know is that there is no way I can eroticise something this extreme. After I read through this, I shut down my computer and tried to do something else as I tried to sort through the extreme emotional reaction it sparked in me. But I'm back to respond to this in the only way I can live with. The following is graphic and disturbing, yet I've left out many details.

You see, I know full well exactly what being impaled on a jagged broomstick does to a woman. I've seen it. I had buried the memory of what that looked like deep in the recesses of my brain in the hope that I'd never have to take it out and look at it again. Yet here I sit, with it as clear in my mind's eye as if time were turned back about 20 years.

She was lovely. She died in extreme pain. I'll spare you the description of the look frozen on her face. The broom handle penetrated from her vagina, up through her abdomen and stirred things about, then traveled up to her chest cavity. The killer sliced her belly open and fucked the wound. We knew this because there was cum in the lesion as well as on her skin. When she was found, the broom was still lodged inside her... the straw was stained with her blood, urine and stool which also ran down her inner thighs and pooled under her body.

I hope you guys keep these dark fantasies well in the realm of imagination where you can enjoy them safely. I don't think you'd like the reality. One thing is certain... you wouldn't enjoy it for long. I'm going to try and block this out of my head again. I'm not coming back to this thread for fear some other buried vision may be triggered by somebody else's fantasy. Like I say, I've seen alot of awful things over the years.

Click to expand...

I am sorry this has disturbed you Des, and can understand it given your experience and what the thread topic triggered in your memory. I have a similar reaction to those who talk of rape fantasies (though I also have them) and their roleplay of them as giving them the knowledge of what it would be like to be real and thus making them hunger for the reality more. The fantasy is fine but the thing is though IMO there is a difference between fantasy and reality, and as osg pointed out and I also mentioned as did you, fantasising and living the reality are often 2 different things...but the fantasy can still be erotic to the extreme. That does not mean people do not think they want the reality as the abundance of subs on Lit panting in anticipation of the possibility of going beyond the rape rolelay to reality demonstrates.....if most of them experienced the real thing I daresay they would not be so happy, nor would they ever be the same again......there are some things a few hours cuddling can not heal and make go away. It is an important step to be allowed to discuss such things openly as it is that openness that often prevents fantasy becoming tragic reality.

That being said, I do not like the idea of limiting anyone in their imagination, or tastes, as long as it is not going to lead to harming another against their will. If we begin doing that, losing sight of the right to fantasy and the difference which is between fantasy and reality, we begin to encourage and support the censorship wagon even more and would lose a lot of good art, movies, and books (not to mention this site and forum) based solely on the premise that the imagination is not fit to be reality so must be controlled and destroyed. I have strong feelings about censorship and fight it's right to existance because I do not believe anyone should have the right to tell another what they should think or feel or read......censorship is borne of ignorance and fear. It is like the people who always have to ask when someone writes a book, if the book is based on their experience....and those who feel original thought is not real and everyone has to get their ideas from someone else.....sheeesh, where did the first one get the idea from then?!! The point is fantasy has a place and should not be confused with reality, though sometimes it can lead to experiementing in the here and now, not always negatively as we are all living witnesses to in our pursuit of this kink others view as outrageous and worthy of outlawing.

Catalina

No one said a thing about censorship, catalina. But every time someone posts anything contrary to the thread, that is the card you toss out.

Personally, I like seeing this kind of thng posted. It shows everyone... lurkers and regulars alike, just what makes some people tick.

A Desert Rose said:

No one said a thing about censorship, catalina. But every time someone posts anything contrary to the thread, that is the card you toss out.

Personally, I like seeing this kind of thng posted. It shows everyone... lurkers and regulars alike, just what makes some people tick.

Click to expand...

You are entitled to your opinion ADR, but though I mention censorship occasionally (and it is something this site is also passionate about and advocates speaking out against, and which allows us this freedom to be here) I do not believe I use it as you have said. I actually hinted in part about the influence of censorship and peer pressure in the post I made before Des posted to the thread...perhaps I should have elaborated there on why I said what I said and where the reactions stemmed from IMO:

I find it sad many who do find the more bizarre or believed to be unusual fantasies cross their minds have a kneejerk reaction to berate themselves for their thoughts and push them as far down in the subconscious as possible, thus denying a part of themselves out of fear.

I am sure you can easily find any number of threads where people have disagreed with the thread topic where I have not raised the subject of censorship, and in many cases have not even posted in the thread at all. That being said, I will not apologise for speaking out against something I believe has no place in our contemporary so called advanced society.

I, like you, osg, Desdemona, or anyone else who comes to the forum has every right to say what they think and as I have pointed out on many occasions, it is that diversity of opinion and lived reality which keeps this board alive and saves it from becoming a 'yes, I agree with you' place where people are afraid to say what they feel or think or share their own perspective and experience for fearof being jumped on by the PC brigade. I don't believe Des said anything out or turn or place, nor did I have a problem with what she said...she made it clear she was not against people fantasising, just that she had difficuty understanding the eroticisation factor (which is how many would feel IMO) and hoped no-one would carry through to reality...that to me showed concern for the welfare of others which is also a quality that is prevalent on the forum and helps make it the place it is.

Catalina

Every time some one voices descension about a thread... you toss out the censorship card.

I do think that all Des said was that she would not open this thread again. Neither will I. And again... this kind of thread shows people what makes others what they are.

That is censorship at it's best, and as it should be... most personal.

I wont waid through your post. I've said all I have to say.

A woman was in a coma, she had been in it for months. Nurses were in her room giving her a blanket bath. One of them was washing her private area and noticed that there was a slight response on the monitor when she touched her. They tried it again and sure enough there was a small, recognizable movement.

They went to her husband and explained what happened, telling him, "crazy as this sounds, maybe a little oral sex will do the trick and bring her out of the coma." The husband was skeptical, but they assured that they'd close the curtains for privacy.

The husband finally agreed and went into his wife's room. After a few minutes the woman's monitor flat lined, no pulse, no heart rate.

The nurses ran into the room. "What happened?" they cried.

The husband said, "I'm not sure, maybe she choked".

OK, perhaps I will tackle the 'where does it come' from aspect of such fantasies as I have looked at it for various reasons in days gone by. I don't actually think it is that dark and far removed from the rest of those on the board who feel this lifestyle or sexual choice is what makes them tick in some manner of speaking. IMO it is simply back to control and power. For the one who fantasises about being in the position of delivering such acts, it is the ultimate control fantasy...the place where complete control over another's life is in place, where the need is fed, where theree is no other who can bring back that which they have possessed. That does not mean they want to carry it through to reality or that it would even be in their ability or taste to do so.

For the one on the receiving end I believe once again it comes back to power exchange.....the power of another to take from them everything that they are including their life. That can be a powerful aphrodesiac for those who hunger to give that depth of control over to another, who seek ways to demonstrate their abdication of control over their own existence. It is something you can only give once and not something you will pull out of the hat every Saturday night to spark up the sexlife. The depth of emotion related to the thought is not one of victim mode though I am sure there are those who will feel it has to do with self esteem issues (seems that is the common denominator for any straying from the norm in this space in time). It is more a gift, a giving, a surrender. Once again though it does not mean people who expereince this want to live it out anymore than another who has rape fantasies may want to be raped and dismemebered at the first opportunity they can arrange it. It just is and as with many things, it does not have to be to the taste of 100% of the population to be an authentic fantasy

Catalina

Originally posted by WriterDom
A woman was in a coma, she had been in it for months. Nurses were in her room giving her a blanket bath. One of them was washing her private area and noticed that there was a slight response on the monitor when she touched her. They tried it again and sure enough there was a small, recognizable movement.

They went to her husband and explained what happened, telling him, "crazy as this sounds, maybe a little oral sex will do the trick and bring her out of the coma." The husband was skeptical, but they assured that they'd close the curtains for privacy.

The husband finally agreed and went into his wife's room. After a few minutes the woman's monitor flat lined, no pulse, no heart rate.

The nurses ran into the room. "What happened?" they cried.

The husband said, "I'm not sure, maybe she choked".

Click to expand...

ohhhhh man... I hope that is a joke...that is sad.

Dark fantasies really are just that -- a way for our minds to cope with our most animalistic and primal urges.

It is when a person tries to make the fantasy a reality, where it would come into concern -- especially trifling with death. I do have to agree that people should be allowed to express their inner workings. It took ownedsub a lot of guts to post that.

That being said, I think we all have some sort of dark part of ourselves that wants to push the envelope and test us.

A Desert Rose said:

Every time some one voices descension about a thread... you toss out the censorship card.

I do think that all Des said was that she would not open this thread again. Neither will I. And again... this kind of thread shows people what makes others what they are.

That is censorship at it's best, and as it should be... most personal.

I wont waid through your post. I've said all I have to say.

Click to expand...

Sorry you see it that way ADR but you are entitled to your opinion and perceptions.

Catalina

I don't see how des or ADR are limiting the conversation, any more than someone happening into a needle play thread and saying it doesn't work for them, they find it nauseating.

Personally, I think anyone should be allowed to *think* anything, as long as it stays a thought.

My dark fantasies tend to grow around what might happen if I found the man who killed the corpse Des found unawares. Not all fantasies are especially sexual.

I'm not going to sicken the lot of you with them, rest assured I have a very thick imagination.

Netzach said:

I don't see how des or ADR are limiting the conversation, any more than someone happening into a needle play thread and saying it doesn't work for them, they find it nauseating.

Personally, I think anyone should be allowed to *think* anything, as long as it stays a thought.

Click to expand...

Did anyone say they were Netzach? I think if you read the thread again you will see what you said has refected what Des, I, malcah, and osg have all said....fantasy is fine, personal preferences are fine, but they differ from a reality which harms an unconsenting other. My mention of censorship came from my own beliefs and a conversation with 2 other people who felt certain topics inappropriate. Censorship exists because so often it is a way of silencing people and denying their rights, and these topics are targets for promoting censorship as good. I do not share ADR's view though that the worth of discussing such topics is to

"Personally, I like seeing this kind of thng posted. It shows everyone... lurkers and regulars alike, just what makes some people tick......

I do think that all Des said was that she would not open this thread again. Neither will I. And again... this kind of thread shows people what makes others what they are.

That is censorship at it's best, and as it should be... most personal. "

ADR is entitled to her views and many of them I do share and respect, but I do not share her views in this thread. Perhaps I have misinterpreted the statements, wouldn't be the first time, but it came across as judgemental (which most of us are at some time or another, myself included) and is why some people do feel reluctant to discuss openly at times on forums for fear of being seen as a monster or freak of the worst kind.

I, and I believe you too, would hope we could continue to provide a safe space for people to be themselves without fear of censure. Topics are subjective as are triggers particular to different people. What triggers one person does not phase another. Des was triggered and I felt for her, but she also believes there is a place for such discussion and a positive worth in that.

Catalina

Netzach has posted a thread, which is, I think, a response to this one

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295761

Which raises the interesting question: Let's assume, with N, that the *practice* of BDSM is totally mainstream, legal, and out on CSI and the Tonight Show.

Do the fantasies of BDSM practicers count as 'BDSM' or are they beyond the pale? Would you like a separation: A 'legal practices bdsm forum' and a separate, perhaps officially set off, 'dark thoughts fantasies-of-bdsm-people forum'?

Pure said:

Netzach has posted a thread, which is, I think, a response to this one

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295761

Which raises the interesting question: Let's assume, with N, that the *practice* of BDSM is totally mainstream, legal, and out on CSI and the Tonight Show.

Do the fantasies of BDSM practicers count as 'BDSM' or are they beyond the pale? Would you like a separation: A 'legal practices bdsm forum' and a separate, perhaps officially set off, 'dark thoughts fantasies-of-bdsm-people forum'?

Click to expand...

There was a long post here - but I pulled it, transferred it to wordpad, and decided to think about it.

Instead I will say this..

The continual effort in a "non normal" activity, to eleminate the inherent fringe...Gains one, no more than the position of being the normal..of the abnormal.

I didn't feel that Des was doing anything but relating an experience that she has had which obviously affected her deeply and with good reason. She was simply reminded of it because of osg's post. The fact that we all blab here freely about our deepest fantasies & our kinky practices means that we all share the distaste for censorship already. Therefore talking about censorship to us is probably unnecessary.

I'm fascinated by osg's fantasies. We read all the time about the serial rapists & killers who do such things & have fantasized about it for years before they actually do it. Never before have I read from someone who fantasizes about being the victim.

incubus'_sub said:

I'm fascinated by osg's fantasies. We read all the time about the serial rapists & killers who do such things & have fantasized about it for years before they actually do it. Never before have I read from someone who fantasizes about being the victim.

Click to expand...

I have ..several times...And from what I understand, it is not exactly abnormal, even to that extreme.

EKVITKAR said:

I have ..several times...And from what I understand, it is not exactly abnormal, even to that extreme.

Click to expand...

Very true, and lol, it doesn't mean the fantasiser has rocks in their heads either!!

Catalina

incubus'_sub said:

I didn't feel that Des was doing anything but relating an experience that she has had which obviously affected her deeply and with good reason. She was simply reminded of it because of osg's post. The fact that we all blab here freely about our deepest fantasies & our kinky practices means that we all share the distaste for censorship already. Therefore talking about censorship to us is probably unnecessary.

I'm fascinated by osg's fantasies. We read all the time about the serial rapists & killers who do such things & have fantasized about it for years before they actually do it. Never before have I read from someone who fantasizes about being the victim.

Click to expand...

This is not aimed at you incubus_sub, but a general response to the assumption my post and discussion of censorship was directed as Des. I'm afraid, like many here, I tend to quote a post (as I am doing here) because part of it speaks to what I want to say.....then my thoughts follow another direction of thought for discussion that I include in the same post partly because it is an extension of the conversation but largely because it saves making a heap of posts one after the other when I am on the hop here....plus i hate seeing post after post of mine. It is how discussion evolves....one idea is put forward and the following discussion adds various elements related and sometimes as we see often also, not. Your take on Des's post i_s was the same as mine and which is why I expressed regret she had been triggered by the thread.

I do not share the view censorship does not need mentioning here, nor that we are all against censorship. Prime example is the difficulty some have already had with the mere mention of the censorship issue (as in thinking it should not be mentioned....why?), along with comments in threads over the months about how people should not raise discussions about particular topics, people should keep their fantasies to themselves, people's particular tastes are wrong and they should be punished by law if necessary for having them, people should just stop posting because what they post does not sit well with another poster. These are all examples of censorship and limiting discussion as well as making people think twice before speaking about some issues which they and others might benefit greatly by being able to discuss in a safe environment. It does not mean you have to share the same thoughts, views, or kinks, but does mean as people want others to accept them and their tastes, so should the favour be returned.

As I mentioned before, Bondage.com is a prime example...people there post about their darkest thoughts too, but censorship has moved in to restrict what can be discussed or even hinted at in threads. These sites pride themselves on serving the international community and yet in reality they only serve those who agree with their views and do not take into account various cultural differences. One being they have banned the discussion of fantasies anyone has had as a child or under the age of consent (not underage sex or pedophelia)....something we discuss here openly and often. The thing is the age of consent is not the same the world over.....in The Netherlands it is 12 if the people engaging in sexual activity are of a similar age.....nor are attitudes toward sex the same the world over. Reality is we do not magically wake the morning we reach the age of consent and discover we have begun to have sexual fantasies, in fact childhood sexual fantasy is not considered even by the American psychs to be out of the norm or wrong, so what right do people have to invalidate such an important stage of a person's development and personality? Censorship by the US government (and Oz too) is threatening sites such as this remaining operational, not to mention the freedom to express our sexuality in a way which feels right for us, so call me strange, but unless we want to be sent back to the dark ages of sexuality I think it is a subject which remains vital and which threads like this expose as still being a relevant issue. We certainly have not had this much freedom for long so let's not be complacent and let it go.

Catalina

All my fantasies these days involve ruling as king of a small play world where I am the only person and everyone else is either small, nice bears, cuddly bunnies or tiny kittens 2 inches long with fur in bright artificial colors. Sexuality as we understand it is unknown there; for them it means cuddling and exchanging feelings and love through wordless mind pictures.

rosco rathbone said:

All my fantasies these days involve ruling as king of a small play world where I am the only person and everyone else is either small, nice bears, cuddly bunnies or tiny kittens 2 inches long with fur in bright artificial colors. Sexuality as we understand it is unknown there; for them it means cuddling and exchanging feelings and love through wordless mind pictures.

Click to expand...

you are the mad hatters spawn arent ya?

My "extreme perverse" fantasy would be me slapping my whiny classmate silly. Not all perverse fantasies are sexaul

Pure said:

Netzach has posted a thread, which is, I think, a response to this one

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295761

Which raises the interesting question: Let's assume, with N, that the *practice* of BDSM is totally mainstream, legal, and out on CSI and the Tonight Show.

Do the fantasies of BDSM practicers count as 'BDSM' or are they beyond the pale? Would you like a separation: A 'legal practices bdsm forum' and a separate, perhaps officially set off, 'dark thoughts fantasies-of-bdsm-people forum'?

Click to expand...

You know, you seem to be the only person who saw my post as this huge attempt to divide or draw lines around the forum. Most people saw it for what it was - me saying "this is where I come from" and I'm tired of having to apologize for that because the thoughts contained in that world are not edgy enough for some people.

I would say, that my fantasies are fantasies - a woman's sexual fantasies. They aren't really BDSM. They might be the fuel for things I do, they might not. They might be relevant to a discussion of BDSM, they might not, when I have them I don't really try to categorize them much.

I'm glad osg posted her post, although it's not my personal cup of tea, I've certainly had similar-but-opposite thoughts.

They don't inform how I interact with my bottoms. They inform how my hand interacts with my snatch.

In fact it's mostly WriterDom's snuff post and a bunch of other posts I've seen through the months from trollish virgin posters or clueless posters we don't see much of that had me beginning to wonder the things I was wondering.

EKVITKAR said:

I have ..several times...And from what I understand, it is not exactly abnormal, even to that extreme.

Click to expand...

see...i always knew i was secretly vanilla.

catalina_francisco said:

OK, perhaps I will tackle the 'where does it come' from aspect of such fantasies as I have looked at it for various reasons in days gone by. I don't actually think it is that dark and far removed from the rest of those on the board who feel this lifestyle or sexual choice is what makes them tick in some manner of speaking. IMO it is simply back to control and power. For the one who fantasises about being in the position of delivering such acts, it is the ultimate control fantasy...the place where complete control over another's life is in place, where the need is fed, where theree is no other who can bring back that which they have possessed. That does not mean they want to carry it through to reality or that it would even be in their ability or taste to do so.

For the one on the receiving end I believe once again it comes back to power exchange.....the power of another to take from them everything that they are including their life. That can be a powerful aphrodesiac for those who hunger to give that depth of control over to another, who seek ways to demonstrate their abdication of control over their own existence. It is something you can only give once and not something you will pull out of the hat every Saturday night to spark up the sexlife. The depth of emotion related to the thought is not one of victim mode though I am sure there are those who will feel it has to do with self esteem issues (seems that is the common denominator for any straying from the norm in this space in time). It is more a gift, a giving, a surrender. Once again though it does not mean people who expereince this want to live it out anymore than another who has rape fantasies may want to be raped and dismemebered at the first opportunity they can arrange it. It just is and as with many things, it does not have to be to the taste of 100% of the population to be an authentic fantasy

Catalina

Click to expand...

Catalina...you mentioned control and power (and the need to either have them or to give them up) as potential sources for such dark fantasies. i would tend to agree. that is actually why i felt comfortable posting this here, as the drive for it all is heavily tied to my submissive nature. the need to be utterly powerless, helpless, and hopeless....and the need to be degraded to the utmost. those are the seeds of my darker fantasies...though all my fantasies contain the same basic elements, just taken to less extremes.

as for a fantasy (particularly a snuff fantasy) being more about giving an ultimate gift of surrender, then about being simply a victim....i view my own role in these fantasies as more a victim who in the end is...grateful.