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Old 01-23-2004, 08:38 PM   #1
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Cool Just out of curiousity regarding extreme S&M

Does stuff like keeping slaves in cages, tied down to tables for a day or two, sensory deprivation, and oh tonnes of stuff I've read about and seen in movies actually HAPPEN in S&M or is that just there to turn us all on and imagine as the worst possible scenario???
For instance there is one story on this site of a girl kept in a box with a catheter attached to mouth, would anyone actually DO this?
And the vids you see where women are suspended by the hands for hours at a time (presumably safely)
And real sex slavery cases eg. Perfect Victim (book) where a woman was kept in a coffin like box and had a special head box made for her where she could not see hear or do anything.
I'm just curious, newly getting into this, whether any of this stuff DOES happen, and is it willingly??? or what...
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Old 01-24-2004, 09:30 AM   #2
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There are people that like to fantasize about what you're calling extreme S&M, which is why you see it in stories and movies. I like to fantasize about extreme situations I'd rather not experience.

I've been tied up all day, but not for days on end. I suppose that there are people that do these things, but it would require a lot of anatomy knowledge and trust to do them safely.
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Old 01-24-2004, 10:07 AM   #3
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IT's mostly imagination. But there's not any imagined cruelty or crime that hasn't be done sometime. However, be aware that if you _actually_ keep a captive slave in your basement (as in Kate Millet's horrific abuse account _The Basement_**) your activities may become of interest to local law enforcement personnel.

**The story of Sylvia Likens' torture and death in 1965. With Millet's reflections on "human sacrifice."

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Old 01-24-2004, 11:54 AM   #4
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People use a lot of hyperbole.

3-4 hour scenes in heavily restrictive bondage (leather bodybags, latex bodybags and beds with breathing-tube hoods, stringent mummification etc.) are marathonish to the enthusiast.

if someone says they did a 6 or 8 hour scene like that, well you put in prep time, coming down time, actually getting the person ready physically and psychologically and then the actual tying time which is slow slow slow....it's quite possible.

But that technical, slowed-down, long process usually yields great photographic images with good potential for hot copy to go under them.

"Here I am with rubber slave beef, completely swaddled in his latex sleep sack.... even his drawn breath is controlled by me and my strict gasmask-tubular-scary-woo-woo mechanism, totally helpless and at my mercy I apply PES electrodes to his cock and milk it for hours on end to get the valuable stud semen for my prize ponygirl betsy in her latex corset and arm binder sleeve!"

Prep time = 48 hours, not counting man hours worked to get the gear or finagle the gear from Demask with your reputation alone....

photo shoot time = 19 hours

I'm not saying people don't actually play this way. I'm just pointing out that there's a huge gulf between what you see-read and what even heavy enthusiasts do for fun. Yes, the same equipment that yields great visuals yield pleasure...and while I'd gladly put a girl in a box with a catheter in her mouth, and I know it's been done...

it's not the kind of thing that goes on for days, typically. She does have to drink to replenish at some point, she has to eat, she may even have to show up at work or people might wonder.
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Old 01-24-2004, 12:03 PM   #5
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From someone into extreme SM, yes it does happen and is not mostly in the imagination for those of us who do more than theorise about it. Reminds me of a friend I have who in desperation many years ago took her husband to a porn theatre in Amsterdam to give him some ideas. She came away disgusted, not from the movie but from her academia husband spending the next 2 hours analysing, dissecting, and catagorising every character in the movie and what they did, and never did he get to the reality she was hoping for some real sexual stimulation on his part.

Back to those who do play in the extremes for real though......there is a lot to rnjoy about such scenes if that is your thing. As Netzach says, time and planning are needed, but are not impossible to work around. For instance, I no longer work so it is possible to do things without the concern of others to a degree. It is not an everyday event for most, but is a real challenge and enjoyable.

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Old 01-24-2004, 12:07 PM   #6
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"Here I am with rubber slave beef, completely swaddled in his latex sleep sack.... even his drawn breath is controlled by me and my strict gasmask-tubular-scary-woo-woo mechanism, totally helpless and at my mercy I apply PES electrodes to his cock and milk it for hours on end to get the valuable stud semen for my prize ponygirl betsy in her latex corset and arm binder sleeve!"

Heh. This is kind of hot actually.
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Old 01-24-2004, 12:09 PM   #7
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she may even have to show up at work or people might wonder.
considering the type of bondage you are talking about, the person bound would have to be monitored pretty much on a 24/7 basis. So HE might have to show up for work as well, thus making it impossible.

As a sidenote, I'd consider it unsafe to leave anyone alone who was bound in such a way that they could not vacate the house in case of emergency.
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Old 01-24-2004, 12:26 PM   #8
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i think it is the rare instance when BDSM activities are reflected in media without all the glamour and fantasy. Much of what is depicted in books (fiction, etc.) and movies are mostly the creative imaginings of one or two individuals who have to add an element of drama in order for it to play to the viewers. Sure, these "extreme" fantasies are possible and are quite likely happening somewhere in the world. However, i wouldn't go so far as to say this is a commonality in the BDSM culture. Too many laws prohibit such extreme activity, as in the case of keeping a slave locked in a box completely, in addition to the eventual physical breakdown of the parties involved.

Still, these activities do hold the some fascination because they seem so dangerous and far fetched; we're entranced by them. i guess that is the appeal ... the outrageousness of it all is like a moth to a flame or the equivalent to slowing down in your car when you're passing a wreck ... you don't know why it gives you pause, it just does.

Now in the case of Sylvia Likens, it was far from glamorous or glossy like the BDSM images you see where the "slave" is this gorgeous, busty woman in a collar and pleather thong. This young lady was tortured, used and eventually killed by her captors. Does it really happen? Yes ... but in this situation, it was obviously non-consentual and simply a crime.

i've attached a news article describing what took place.

http://www.indystar.com/library/fact...ia/sylvia.html

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Old 01-24-2004, 12:33 PM   #9
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considering the type of bondage you are talking about, the person bound would have to be monitored pretty much on a 24/7 basis. So HE might have to show up for work as well, thus making it impossible.

Are you kidding? This *is* work and there are 7 people lifting hauling shooting film and fiddling with lights. Everything's monitored up the wazoo.

No I'd never leave anyone boxed at home alone, or tied in a way where they could not leave if the house caught fire. Houses do catch fire.
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Old 01-24-2004, 12:34 PM   #10
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Heh. This is kind of hot actually.
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Old 01-24-2004, 03:37 PM   #11
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Netzach said in part,

Here I am with rubber slave beef, completely swaddled in his latex sleep sack.... even his drawn breath is controlled by me and my strict gasmask-tubular-scary-woo-woo mechanism, totally helpless and at my mercy I apply PES electrodes to his cock and milk it for hours on end to get the valuable stud semen for my prize ponygirl betsy in her latex corset and arm binder sleeve!"

Prep time = 48 hours, not counting man hours worked to get the gear or finagle the gear from Demask with your reputation alone....

photo shoot time = 19 hours

I'm not saying people don't actually play this way. I'm just pointing out that there's a huge gulf between what you see-read and what even heavy enthusiasts do for fun.


What might be mentioned here, N, and I think you might agree? is the following:

If one sees a film of swaddled slave, cock milked etc.,--i.e, some 'heavy' scene-- one cannot assume it IS the result of a 19 hr shoot of a 48 hr prep and several hour actual event.

It's far more likely to be like a film of, say, the beheading of Ann Boleyn. Set up. Staged. The "milk" from the cock being corn starch and so on. Of course, extensive prep, but much of it unlike what would be the case in the situation you describe.

It's entirely problematic, imo, to go from the images--e.g., caged slaves-- spoken of by the thread starter, SLP, to actual events. As much so as with a story at literotica, that starts, "Let me tell you about an amazingly hot woman I ran into on my 18th birthday...."

There is an additional 'gray area' that also may be involved. Let's face it, a film of two people fucking is pretty boring usually. You can't see things. Etc. So even where the fucking is real, choosing camera angles, 'positions', keeping hair out of the way, etc. has to be done. If there's extra lighting, make up may be nice. This "staging" (of something partly real) creates, often, a 'hotter' scene than the pure, unadordned 'real thing'.


PS. Yes indeed it's 'hot'. So, for many, are the works of Anne Rice.

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Old 01-24-2004, 04:24 PM   #12
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Pure I'm only talking about the photo shoots I've been around, which are large loopy labors of love, somewhat lucrative to a few involved, a pleasure of making something cool for the rest. No starch. Usually no cum, either.

I have no idea how much detail or lack thereof goes on in average SM porn land, I'm in a niche, as they say.

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Netzach said in part,

Here I am with rubber slave beef, completely swaddled in his latex sleep sack.... even his drawn breath is controlled by me and my strict gasmask-tubular-scary-woo-woo mechanism, totally helpless and at my mercy I apply PES electrodes to his cock and milk it for hours on end to get the valuable stud semen for my prize ponygirl betsy in her latex corset and arm binder sleeve!"

Prep time = 48 hours, not counting man hours worked to get the gear or finagle the gear from Demask with your reputation alone....

photo shoot time = 19 hours

I'm not saying people don't actually play this way. I'm just pointing out that there's a huge gulf between what you see-read and what even heavy enthusiasts do for fun.


What might be mentioned here, N, and I think you might agree? is the following:

If one sees a film of swaddled slave, cock milked etc.,--i.e, some 'heavy' scene-- one cannot assume it IS the result of a 19 hr shoot of a 48 hr prep and several hour actual event.

It's far more likely to be like a film of, say, the beheading of Ann Boleyn. Set up. Staged. The "milk" from the cock being corn starch and so on. Of course, extensive prep, but much of it unlike what would be the case in the situation you describe.

It's entirely problematic, imo, to go from the images--e.g., caged slaves-- spoken of by the thread starter, SLP, to actual events. As much so as with a story at literotica, that starts, "Let me tell you about an amazingly hot woman I ran into on my 18th birthday...."

PS. Yes indeed it's 'hot'. So, for many, are the works of Anne Rice.
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Old 01-24-2004, 06:48 PM   #13
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yes, those kinds of things happen, and not as rarely as some may think. it's a very diverse, fascinating world out there...as Pure mentioned, everything has been done (and imo is being done) at some point. just within my own small D/s world (meaning Daddy, myself, and those we know), caging a slave for up to a day is not unheard of...starvation of a slave for days is not unheard of...beating (with hands only) to the point of broken bones is not unheard of....violent staged rapes are not unheard of, etc. it all just depends on the particular niche you're in in the D/s or bdsm world.
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Old 01-24-2004, 06:50 PM   #14
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Extremities in BDSM do happen and yes there are psychos out there to get you and have their way with you. But it is a rarity, something that hardly happens.

However they have happend and most of ihose stories have nothing to do what so ever with BDSM.

In any case for the interested parties a couple of news stories about the extremities that are probably responsible for many of the stiories out there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3070015.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3123410.stm
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/7505833.htm
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/1520668/detail.html

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Old 01-24-2004, 07:28 PM   #15
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considering the type of bondage you are talking about, the person bound would have to be monitored pretty much on a 24/7 basis. So HE might have to show up for work as well, thus making it impossible.

As a sidenote, I'd consider it unsafe to leave anyone alone who was bound in such a way that they could not vacate the house in case of emergency.
Safety is always a must and never impossible.

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Hey Francisco, you forgot John Robinson ("slavemaster") of Kansas, internet killer and sometime bdsm person:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...ex.html?sect=2

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Old 01-24-2004, 08:55 PM   #17
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The Insex crowd has been doing scenes of this sort for some years now. They are apparently "professional" as are the "models" (some volunteer, some paid, according to the site)

Thier specialty is "live Feeds" of extreme/endurance bondage and discipline. It's strictly a commercial enterprise, you have to pay to see the live feed, or to access the archived footage.

Quite a lot shows up on ftp (notably EMule). A lot of the activities are potentially dangerous, and require a lot of preparation and know-how.
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Old 01-24-2004, 11:48 PM   #18
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wow ty guys

for your honest frank opinions.
I have seen a lot of the Insex stuff and also www.hogtied.com and admit that a lot of the stuff is the HUGEST turn on for me. I could fantasize endlessly about doing it but walking into the room and being put in one of those positions?? Possible but bloody scarey!!!
That Sylvia Likens case is so incredibly sad, there was also another case I read of where a mother got her two sons and others to target a girl, cant remember if it was her daughter or not and systematically torture her to death, her body was taken out into the woods and lit on fire by one of the brothers but was found.
Actually doing it to someone unwilling is of course absolutely rehensible and I dont think you'll find any slaves in my basement LOL if I had one!!!
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how horrible...i cried reading this and the link about the suitcase. It angers me to think those ppl got off so easily....they should be made to pay in every way that poor child was...the electric chair is too good for them...
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Just a side note ...

The Sylvia Likens case was tragic and certainly unacceptable. That said, it is not the norm in terms of BDSM and should not be the poster child for extreme BDSM activities. Please keep it in perspective of what happens in situations of abuse and not necessarily in terms of BDSM. Be well.

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Old 02-26-2004, 05:12 PM   #21
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Bump?....I was wondering if people see extreme play for them as only those things which are carefully planned, or if there is pleasure in that element of play which is unannounced, raw, and spur of the moment. I know for us, I am rarely asked to fetch a cane, fogger etc., as they are in various locations around the house where he can access them easily and without the need to alert me to their imminent use...or as more usual, his hands, fingernails, and teeth which travel well and are always available and itching for use wherever we may be.

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Old 02-26-2004, 06:53 PM   #22
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Planned, no.

Extreme play for us might be talking about something kinky quietly at a restaurant.

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Such extremism make me feel bad, even when looking at fantasies about it.
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