If nature isn't evil

LovingTongue said:

then which Litsters are posting from an unsheltered area in the woods, as opposed to a nice walled-in home in a tame, concrete jungle?

How many people regularly let their children run around in the woods, as opposed to in their house?

And for those who know why this thread came about... who is posting on Lit from a place where there is no Government?

Yeah, I know this is going to start a fight. A dozen or more Litsters coming up with every rebuttal except "I live in the woods right now among the animals with no better shelter than they have" or "I let my kids run with the cougars and coyotes and they're just fine". If someone is posting from a place where there's no Government, hell I'll eat a crow.

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glamorilla said:

i'm sorry but i'm going to have to take a stand and say eggplants are evil.

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glamorilla said:

i'm sorry but i'm going to have to take a stand and say eggplants are evil.

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phrodeau said:

There's no good or evil in nature. Those words are reserved for human interactions.

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Scotographer said:

For people who have the eyes to see, there is an extraordinary beauty to be found in nature, that the works of man can never touch. No cathedral can match the beauty of a grove of white pines perched above a rushing cascade, no painting can match the complex and subtle art that nature paints with mosses and lichens on every fallen tree.

It is what we evolved to live in, and I feel sorry for those people who spend so little time in nature that they see it as evil, or mere dirt and trees -- for they have lost touch with what being a human animal really means. I spend time in nature everyday, it is a far more peaceful and nurturing place than the man made hells we call cities.

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LovingTongue said:

I disagree.

Humans are animals, we're from nature. We do plenty of things to one another that animals do to each other in nature - including, most notoriously, killing over food, territory, and reproductive priviledge.

Animals accept that kind of behavior as normal. We humans have created societies, laws, religions and God knows what else, as shields against it, in hopes that we no longer need to kill for food, territory, and reproductive priviledge.

To me, that says nature is very evil.

What also says "nature is evil" to me is the fact that we do everything in our power not to let our societies revert to the basic and all too commonly demonstrated law of nature - killing one another for food, territory, and reproductive priviledge (among other things).

In fact, the way things were progressing until lately, we were striving towards a utopian goal of not having to kill for anything. In nature, such an idea is utterly preposterous. And judging by the nearly universal hatred of the idea that I hear from anyone younger than the hippie age (a primary reason why I wish I was born in their period and not later on), I can pretty much bet the house on Generation-X setting that particular goal back about a century or two when Gen-X politicians get into office.

Which is to say in 20 years they'll be saying Dr. James Watson was just a man ahead of his time...

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killallhippies said:

man, those pine trees are vicious. once, i touched one and it kinda hurt a bit. if that's not reason enough to destroy nature and replace it with machine and electronics i don't know what is.

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Scotographer said:

For people who have the eyes to see, there is an extraordinary beauty to be found in nature, that the works of man can never touch. No cathedral can match the beauty of a grove of white pines perched above a rushing cascade, no painting can match the complex and subtle art that nature paints with mosses and lichens on every fallen tree.

It is what we evolved to live in, and I feel sorry for those people who spend so little time in nature that they see it as evil, or mere dirt and trees -- for they have lost touch with what being a human animal really means. I spend time in nature everyday, it is a far more peaceful and nurturing place than the man made hells we call cities.

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Scotographer said:

Mushrooms, peyote, poppies and coco leaves all come from nature (though I will concede that wild hemp is only good for headaches). Are you sure you want to destroy it?

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LovingTongue said:

Au contraire.. I believe everyone should go see nature and learn something about survival out there. I also believe in the preservation of the environment. I'm especially distressed at the concrete jungle consuming every piece of forest and wetland (er, swamp, er...) and desert that isn't claimed by the Government or rich environmentally conscious land owners. (I predict there'll be a firestorm of a flame war coming based upon the assumption that I hate nature and want it to go completely away.. remember that I wrote this paragraph... hours in advance...)

I hope Sea World and places like it don't end up the last refuge for many of the animals I saw recently in an exhibit in Boston.

I just happen to also know that humans judge nature as an evil place where death can come at any moment, and that judgement is shown by our actions. It is why most humans, if they can manage it, may choose to visit the wild outdoors, but mostly, they do not stay there, nor do they let their kids run around out there like they let them do in a city (and even there it can be dangerous).

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LovingTongue said:

I disagree.

Humans are animals, we're from nature. We do plenty of things to one another that animals do to each other in nature - including, most notoriously, killing over food, territory, and reproductive priviledge.

Animals accept that kind of behavior as normal. We humans have created societies, laws, religions and God knows what else, as shields against it, in hopes that we no longer need to kill for food, territory, and reproductive priviledge.

To me, that says nature is very evil.

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JackAssJim said:

No, he can't.

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Scotographer said:

For people who have the eyes to see, there is an extraordinary beauty to be found in nature, that the works of man can never touch. No cathedral can match the beauty of a grove of white pines perched above a rushing cascade, no painting can match the complex and subtle art that nature paints with mosses and lichens on every fallen tree.

It is what we evolved to live in, and I feel sorry for those people who spend so little time in nature that they see it as evil, or mere dirt and trees -- for they have lost touch with what being a human animal really means. I spend time in nature everyday, it is a far more peaceful and nurturing place than the man made hells we call cities.

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LovingTongue said:

... nor do they let their kids run around out there like they let them do in a city (and even there it can be dangerous).

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JackAssJim said:

No, he can't. I used to expend time and thought energy into debating LT only to have him, as usual, totally distort, not address, <insert all others here> etc. I've found it much easier to toss an asinine one liner at his dribble and watch him implode on his mindless replies. In other words, I believe him to be a semi-educated bullshit specialist.

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