Another Internet Love Story

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Q: Would you still meet an internet long distance lover...or has the Internet changed?

Discuss.

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Man charged in deaths of estranged wife, Dutch friend
By Tera Camus / Cape Breton Bureau

Port Morien - This community is in shock after a woman and her Internet lover from Holland were gunned down Sunday night.

Dead are Jolene MacKinnon, believed to be 29, of Port Morien and Paul Sirks of the Netherlands.

Four shots rang out at about 8:30 p.m. outside the 1 1/2-storey home Ms. MacKinnon rented.

Later Sunday night, RCMP arrested Ms. MacKinnon's estranged husband, Allan MacKinnon, 37, in Port Hastings, near the Canso Causeway.

Mr. MacKinnon, of Donkin, is charged with two counts of first-degree murder.

The Mounties, alerted by Cape Breton Regional Police, spotted Mr. MacKinnon's vehicle on the highway somewhere between Baddeck and Whycocomagh and followed it, then pulled the vehicle over.

Staff Sgt. Paul Doyle of Cape Breton Regional Police's major crime unit refused to say much about the double slaying as investigators are awaiting results of the autopsies.

He wouldn't confirm whether police have recovered a weapon, but one police source told this newspaper a gun was in the vehicle when it was pulled over, and the driver was arrested without incident.

"We're still sifting through details," Staff Sgt. Doyle said. "We're unable to confirm anything."

He did say the normally quiet communities of Port Morien and Donkin, where both MacKinnons are well-known, are in shock. The communities are about five kilometres apart, on the outskirts of Glace Bay.

"One thing we can assure the public is that we're out there, we're investigating . . . and have lots of manpower on this."

The slaying brought to four the number of murders in the past four weeks in Cape Breton Regional Municipality.

Steven Pardy, 44, died Oct. 6 from injuries inflicted with a rolling pin days earlier at an Ashby home in Sydney. And on Sept. 20, James Russell Matthys, 32, was stabbed to death on Ferry Street. Suspects in those crimes are before the courts.

There are a dozen officers working on the MacKinnon case, Staff Sgt. Doyle said, describing the horrific incident as an "isolated affair."

Mr. MacKinnon, who appeared sad and forlorn, said nothing when he was arraigned Monday afternoon. Some members of his family seated behind him quietly sobbed.

After a request from the accused's lawyer, Judge Brian Williston ordered him to undergo a 30-day psychiatric assessment at the East Coast Forensic Psychiatric Hospital in Dartmouth. He's to return to court Nov. 20.

After court, defence lawyer Art Mollon described Mr. MacKinnon - an electrician by trade - as a "straightforward fella, a genuinely nice guy."

Mr. Mollon said his client had been receiving counselling for the past month or so after separating from his wife in March.

According to one source close to the case, Ms. MacKinnon had custody of their two young children, aged 6 and 4.

But her estranged husband, described by many Donkin residents as a "very loving father," continued to see them regularly.

According to the source and confirmed by one relative, the couple broke up after Ms. MacKinnon began corresponding over the Internet with a love interest. Mr. MacKinnon apparently expressed concern and anger when told his kids might be moving to Europe.

Neighbour Betty Martell was at the scene after the shootings and didn't get much sleep afterward.

"It's a darn shame," she said. "I feel so sorry for those little kids. . . . It's shocking for both families. If there's anything good in this, it's that the kids at least weren't in the home when this happened."

Mrs. Martell doesn't fear for her safety in Port Morien, a pretty beachfront community of about 600 that has very little crime.

"It wasn't like someone was shooting up the neighbourhood," she said as police continued to watch the house, overlooking the Port Morien sandbar on Cape Breton's east coast, and a nearby driveway, where they allege Mr. MacKinnon's vehicle was parked while he waited for Mr. Sirks to arrive.

It's not known how long Mr. Sirks was in the country before the murders, but one source said it was his first day. It's also not known whether it was Mr. Sirks' first face-to-face encounter with Ms. MacKinnon.

Other neighbours, who asked that their names be withheld, said they heard four shots, with a small delay between the first shot and the following three.

"I first thought people were shooting ducks," said one senior. "It's hard to believe. You just don't see things like this happen around here. . . . It's a real tragedy."

One police officer was overheard saying Mr. Sirks was gunned down in the driveway as he got out of his vehicle, and Ms. MacKinnon was shot when she ran out of her home screaming to see what had happened. Fresh tire marks scar the pavement directly leaving the driveway.

The Port Morien fire department also responded to the shootings. The 911 call was made by a next-door neighbour.

The couple's children are staying with Mr. MacKinnon's parents in Donkin. Mr. Mollon said the children are being "well looked after."


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Tera Camus Cape / Breton Bureau
Allan MacKinnon boards a van Monday en route to a 30-day psychiatric assessment. He is accused of killing his estranged wife Jolene MacKinnon and a Netherlands resident.
 
Maybe the answer is to be careful if you're meeting a married person or someone recently separated?
 
Cheyenne said:
Maybe the answer is to be careful if you're meeting a married person or someone recently separated?

Maybe...but the fact is that if you're over 35 and lookin' for love... you've likely recently exited a LTR.

Spinsters notwithstanding...I'm interested in whether people perceive internet first IRL meetings safer or less safe now than say ten years ago before the internet was mainstream.
 
I think it is safer, but only because more people are aware of the potential dangers after the horror stories like the one you posted. It is easier now to treat the internet just like meeting someone from a singles ad. You meet in a public place, let people know where you are going to be and who you are meeting before you go, etc. Standard safety precautions.

Of course, there are always going to be the jealous husbands/wives that could potentially hurt you. But is that so different than meeting someone anywhere else, not just on the internet?
 
if you're of legal age and are semi smart about it they seem safe enough. there are no guaranties with anything, hell the guy behind you in the grocery store may very well be a murderer or rapist for all you know. i know more about my circle of internet friends than i do about the guy who i park next to at the local wal-mart.


i do believe there should be at least one person who knows where and who you'll be with. but that goes with any kind of blind date.
 
voyergirl said:



i do believe there should be at least one person who knows where and who you'll be with. but that goes with any kind of blind date.

Just make sure it's not your husband/wife.
 
Originally posted by Lancecastor
Q: Would you still meet an internet long distance lover...or has the Internet changed?

Discuss.


Have done it in the past...would do it again.
 
Lancecastor said:
Q: Would you still meet an internet long distance lover...or has the Internet changed?

Discuss.

I don't know if it's changed or not. I've met a few people over the past 5 years or so, and never felt as if I was in danger from any of them.

I might meet more people in the future. I tend to think I'm as safe as I would be meeting someone at the local meat market.

Interesting that you use an article about a psychotic estranged husband to illustrate potential hazards of the net.
 
Met my guy now online..but he lives in my town....hes great! Couldnt of imagined a better guy for me:)
 
Re: Re: Another Internet Love Story

pagancowgirl said:


Interesting that you use an article about a psychotic estranged husband to illustrate potential hazards of the net.

Lance always goes for the extreme, ya know? On the other hand, those are the kinds of cases that make the newspaper.

As common as it is to meet people on the internet these days, there is still some stigma attached to it. When I told my family about my boyfriend and having met him online, the first comment was always something to the effect of "how did you know he wasn't an ax murderer before you went to meet him?" Having told my best friend exactly where I was going and who I was going to be with the first time I went to meet my boyfriend didn't phase my family. Their first thought was still "ax murderer." (Only until they met him themselves, of course. :) )
 
It can be as dangerous or safe as one choses to make it. If you use common sense then you should be fine, but nothing in life is 100% safe.
 
Internet has nothing to do with that. Its always very convinient to put the blame on it but truth is, horror stories were presents too before Internet. It was other "medium" that was the culprit.

here its the husband who kill them not Internet... crazy people are everywhere anyway... in real world and online.
 
I guess some of you have failed to notice that for the man from Amsterdam who flew to Canada to meet his cyberlover for the first time, the Internet turned out to be the introduction to his death.

In addition, while many of you mentioned meeting in public places the first time, etc...people who fly great distances to meet someone for the first time in a foreign land are obviously putting themselves at much greater risk than meeting someone in your local coffee shop.

So my question remains...do you think the increased mainstream popularity of the public internet has made it safer as a medium to meet potential love interests than it was ten years ago?

I happen to think the internet was a safer medium ten years ago, because the user base was a much smaller group of mostly highly educated people with above average incomes than it is today.

The popularization of the net has dumbed down the user base significantly...and stupid people are far more likely to do stupid things.
 
That story is no different that a seperated person meeting someone at a club, or the grocery store. You meet someone, and you take a chance. Some people choose to take that risk, some don't.

Don't blame the "big bad internet."
 
"Why are there so many online affairs? Because they are easy to do, easy to justify, easy to hide, and easy to end. They are so easy to end (all it takes is for one person to stop sending e-mails) that cyber break-ups can often be more emotionally devastating than real ones. The unfortunate recipients of a break-up never understand why their relationships end so abruptly."

http://www.dr-rjp.com/dating/mistake2.html
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
So terrible things don't happen to people who meet at coffee shops or at work?

Sure...bad coffee, embarassing looks at the water cooler.
 
Lancecastor said:
"Why are there so many online affairs? Because they are easy to do, easy to justify, easy to hide, and easy to end. They are so easy to end (all it takes is for one person to stop sending e-mails) that cyber break-ups can often be more emotionally devastating than real ones. The unfortunate recipients of a break-up never understand why their relationships end so abruptly."

http://www.dr-rjp.com/dating/mistake2.html

this is very true, and one of the many reasons i am not open to cyber relationships anymore.
 
Lancecastor said:
I guess some of you have failed to notice that for the man from Amsterdam who flew to Canada to meet his cyberlover for the first time, the Internet turned out to be the introduction to his death.

Could be we didn't notice it because that's not what the article said.

Lancecastor said:
It's not known how long Mr. Sirks was in the country before the murders, but one source said it was his first day. It's also not known whether it was Mr. Sirks' first face-to-face encounter with Ms. MacKinnon.
 
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I agree with all of that which LIW expressed. In all my years and experience, I have never met a more sagacious lady. She is as wise as she is desirable. And I'm not just saying that because I'm no longer virginal but am now experienced...in love, in LDRs and in Literotica. I must know though, having lost ones cherry, do things get better hereon in? Notwithstanding and ceteris paribus, how does one acquire an alpha victor ?
:kiss:
 
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