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Old 10-25-2016, 05:41 PM   #1
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Which trait should your children have?

Let's say that one day all offspring are genetically modified to eliminate illnesses and such and there would be no other way to have children and you would have to fill out a form to make a choice.

[ ] Dominant
[ ] Submissive
[ ] Neither (Vanilla)
[ ] Both (Switch)

There would be no "I don't care" option, because the hospital wouldn't want to be sued later because you didn't like the result - not making the choice would mean not having a child.

How would you choose? Would you combine the option with the sex? Would you make different choices if you had multiple children?
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:00 PM   #2
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how Orwellian.

It seems at first like the only moral decisions, if forced to make one, would be neither or both. But that has problems too. It's not that dominant or submissive are flawed, its just not a decision you should ever make for someone else... but ruling them out should then be equally immoral.
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I'd make them a switch so that they can experience and enjoy both sides of the coin rather than be limited to just one. I can see the potential for future conflict with a one-sided partner but I would still risk that/those conflicts for their extra enrichment.

Although I wouldn't be comfortable deciding the specific details of what people/gender/fetishes they are attracted to because I'm certain that opens a door to an even steeper and even more slippery slope of moral grey areas than the one we're already treading when discussing eugenics.
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I can see the potential for future conflict with a one-sided partner but I would still risk that/those conflicts for their extra enrichment.
there wouldn't be, because a switch would most likely NOT BE ALLOWED to date a one-sided partner.

IF it were so easily identified and encoded, it would be a part of your dating profile (from birth), so that a switch would only be matched up to date other switches... which in itself presents a problem, depending on the style of switch.

ugh

fortunately (sortof) they're finding that genes have to be activated. meaning that it's not a question of nature or nurture, its nature AND nurture. SO even if you could identify "domly" genes, it's no guarantee.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:07 PM   #5
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Dominant, send the spawn out to go HAM and conquer the world.

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How would you choose? Would you combine the option with the sex? Would you make different choices if you had multiple children?
Needed to finish some dishes and forgot all these questions.

I choose dominant because it's not like me. I don't want my spawn to be like me. It's kind of shitty sometimes. Sex doesn't matter and amount doesn't matter. I'm choosing dominant regardless because, well, why the fuck not?
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:08 PM   #6
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there wouldn't be, because a switch would most likely NOT BE ALLOWED to date a one-sided partner.

IF it were so easily identified and encoded, it would be a part of your dating profile (from birth), so that a switch would only be matched up to date other switches... which in itself presents a problem, depending on the style of switch.
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there wouldn't be, because a switch would most likely NOT BE ALLOWED to date a one-sided partner.

IF it were so easily identified and encoded, it would be a part of your dating profile (from birth), so that a switch would only be matched up to date other switches... which in itself presents a problem, depending on the style of switch.

ugh

fortunately (sortof) they're finding that genes have to be activated. meaning that it's not a question of nature or nurture, its nature AND nurture. SO even if you could identify "domly" genes, it's no guarantee.
I think you're framing this in a truly more Orwellian light than it deserves. Who's to say that just due to the existence of eugenics then it follows that society is planned and strictly controlled to the point where you're forced to court somebody deemed somewhat compatible?

I imagine that the information would be considered confidential like it is right now, and if we take the question literally and out of hypotheticals then the most the parents would know is the barest bone of all bare bones regarding the kids sexuality so it would be difficult to massively name-and-shame them.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:57 PM   #8
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Dominant because life is easier for a dominant personality in business and financial terms. I assume by ticking the box my children would be extremely successful at whatever they do, and I would hope they would be successful enough to be able to meet and enjoy the company of submissive / switch who would support and complete them.

So if they have to have an inclination that is more likely to make them able to take their rightful places as rulers or the world, then dominant

Unless it's purely a sexual trait in which case submissive or switch because it's more pleasurable IMO (I may be biased somewhat)
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Let's say that one day all offspring are genetically modified to eliminate illnesses and such and there would be no other way to have children and you would have to fill out a form to make a choice.

[ ] Dominant
[ ] Submissive
[ ] Neither (Vanilla)
[ ] Both (Switch)

There would be no "I don't care" option, because the hospital wouldn't want to be sued later because you didn't like the result - not making the choice would mean not having a child.

How would you choose? Would you combine the option with the sex? Would you make different choices if you had multiple children?

I would choose Submissive.

Firstly, most "submissives" I know are strong caretakers. Many are not submissive in "life" even if they are in the bedroom.
I'm new, so I'm NOT generalizing. This is just what I've observed in the past year.

Secondly, Primalex, you are talking genetics. But what about taught behaviors, Nature vs, Nurture? I don't think I was born submissive, like I was born with brown hair and hazel eyes, but was, IN PART, taught to be/react this way. Our experiences shape us.

A Submissive can learn to be more dominant. I don't know if a Dominant can learn to be more submissive. Opinion based on nothing but gut.
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I think you're framing this in a truly more Orwellian light than it deserves. Who's to say that just due to the existence of eugenics then it follows that society is planned and strictly controlled to the point where you're forced to court somebody deemed somewhat compatible?

in that case the company in question would absolutely be sued by the children themselves for creating this choice in the first place, if not the parents for agreeing to make it, disease immunity or no. Successive generations do seem to have a tendency toward ingratitude.

the presumption that a choice MUST be made could never fly (non-orwellian) because making the choice at all is considered immoral in too much of our culture.

As to nature vs. nurture... that argument is both correct and factually obsolete, because as I mentioned earlier, they're finding that with anything remotely related to genes, it's always both. The nurture component activates genetic traits. If a person has been screened and engineered to have trait A, they won't necessarily show trait A unless it's activated, but you can bet money they won't have it's recessive opposite, whichever way that falls.

learning to fake a role in opposition to one's personality type (particularly if we're going with the premise that personality types can be genetically determined) seems to me to fall outside the question.
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I think you're framing this in a truly more Orwellian light than it deserves. Who's to say that just due to the existence of eugenics then it follows that society is planned and strictly controlled to the point where you're forced to court somebody deemed somewhat compatible?
dating websites. compatibility algorithms. voluntary compatibility testing. cookie tracking....

the present already has a somewhat Orwellian slant. It doesn't have to be strictly controlled to gradually become absolute. A shepherd with a dog and a bag of oats controls a flock better than any wall.
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If this were purely hypothetical, disregarding the ethics of genetic trait manipulation being discussed already, I would chose them to be vanilla. Or, preferably dominant, as they would have a greater chance for success and happiness. Although from a parenting standpoint, trying to raise a dominant would be a handful, and I would want to make sure they had a good moral compass, a strong sense of right and wrong, so as not to be dominant and ruthless. I would not want my offspring to face the challenges I have had to as submissive and male.
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Dominant- my kids will not be sissies
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:09 PM   #14
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If this were purely hypothetical, disregarding the ethics of genetic trait manipulation being discussed already...
actually... thank you.

I was looking at my posts and feeling like i'd derailed it all.
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Dominant- my kids will not be sissies
I know plenty of Dominants that are whiny babies and plenty of Submissives that are made of steel.

Just sayin'.
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Submissive =/= sissy
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I can't even imagine choosing this for my children at birth, especially as I believe all are equally desirable. I suppose I would choose Dominant for sons, which seems horribly sexist. My gut is to choose switch for daughters. Heck, maybe switch for all! (Or is that the non-answer answer...)
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Dominant- my kids will not be sissies
Well, I was going to seriously answer the question...

But now, I'm going full on sub so I can have my hypothetical sissy kids, kick your big bad Dom kids' asses at school, then go for ice cream
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Well, I was going to seriously answer the question...

But now, I'm going full on sub so I can have my hypothetical sissy kids, kick your big bad Dom kids' asses at school, then go for ice cream
Wait, we were supposed to be serious? I was planning to become a baby factory to produce generals for my army so that I could take over the world. When I'm ruler the first general to kill me takes the crown. If I die of natural causes my crown goes to my favorite. I'm definitely going to have a favorite. After that it's a game of Last One Standing. I haven't yet determined how many I'm going to squeeze out.
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Wait, we were supposed to be serious? I was planning to become a baby factory to produce generals for my army so that I could take over the world. When I'm ruler the first general to kill me takes the crown. If I die of natural causes my crown goes to my favorite. I'm definitely going to have a favorite. After that it's a game of Last One Standing. I haven't yet determined how many I'm going to squeeze out.
My next 5 will all be Submissives.
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I know plenty of Dominants that are whiny babies and plenty of Submissives that are made of steel.

Just sayin'.
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Old 10-26-2016, 12:48 AM   #22
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Wait, we were supposed to be serious? I was planning to become a baby factory to produce generals for my army so that I could take over the world. When I'm ruler the first general to kill me takes the crown. If I die of natural causes my crown goes to my favorite. I'm definitely going to have a favorite. After that it's a game of Last One Standing. I haven't yet determined how many I'm going to squeeze out.
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given that your choice is being recorded genetically for later review and demonization, the only safe call is vanilla.

considering that and the apparent bias towards dominant, there would be a woeful dearth of subs. it honestly makes more sense to turn it over to a computer to balance it geographically so that the kids have a better chance of finding a compatible partner... but then a computer might fall into logical ruts that we would find morally repulsive, such as going flat vanilla across the board, or for another example; arbitrarily matching orientation with gender to maximize potential partners, with all homosexuals being assigned to switch.
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I'd never reach your question, I'd be stuck permanently trying to make up my mind about question number 1.

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Confident, outgoing children sometimes end up having very powerful and responsible jobs that require dominance to be part of the hierarchy of the organisation, they may have to manage a set of people but also submit to their superior or their clients.

But a very dominant person in everyday life can be very submissive sexually. Lot's of male CEO's are subs and love to be hog tied and humiliated.

So saying when a child is born it's either submissive, dominant, neither or both is detrimental to the new life. I think I would probably protest about any type of genetically modified babies.

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