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Old 11-14-2017, 10:58 PM   #126
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I wonder if the Ethics Committee rules allow Moore to start being investigated as a Senator elect so the Senate can be ready to vote on expulsion immediately after.
Yes, but there's no evidence they've started any investigation. There's little evidence they ever will.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:44 AM   #127
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This is interesting. Apparently, the Kennedy you referenced was embroiled in the same kind of scandal as Roy Moore: http://www.cnn.com/US/9712/31/kennedy.update.2/
Alas, neither wretched Michael Kennedy nor Sonny Bono (who was rumored to have his own penchant for underage backup singers when he was Phil Spector's assistant) are running for office now. Thank the trees for that.
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:48 AM   #128
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So if Mr. Moore's deviance was considered common lnowledge for so long, why were we so willing to ignore it, and doesn't that make us complicent. Obviously, it does. How does that make you feel?
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Until recent, nobody said he did anything illegal, yes?

40 year old allegations of sex crimes have a nearly 0% chance of conviction.

Dating younger women isn't a crime. Yet.

Neither is girl watching at the mall. Yet.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:05 AM   #130
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Until recent, nobody said he did anything illegal, yes?

40 year old allegations of sex crimes have a nearly 0% chance of conviction.

Dating younger women isn't a crime. Yet.

Neither is girl watching at the mall. Yet.
Granted his behavior is creepy and "icky". So is Joe Biden's. But is that enough to convict a person in the court of public opinion? It is, obviously. Is this a good thing? Are we all vulnerable to these kinds of accusations? I know I would be. I've worked exclusively with beautiful women for 40 yrs. I've hired and fired many. If one from even 10 yrs ago made an allegation against me, I don't know how I would defend myself aside from saying I didn't do it. Would that be enough? Certainly not. Would that be fair?
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Granted his behavior is creepy and "icky". So is Joe Biden's. But is that enough to convict a person in the court of public opinion? It is, obviously. Is this a good thing? Are we all vulnerable to these kinds of accusations? I know I would be. I've worked exclusively with beautiful women for 40 yrs. I've hired and fired many. If one from even 10 yrs ago made an allegation against me, I don't know how I would defend myself aside from saying I didn't do it. Would that be enough? Certainly not. Would that be fair?
I think this is why when Roy Moore says this is all too convenient to be true, I believe that part.

If all the creepy people were removed from government, big shortage of politicians, yes?

I think he has to be charged and convicted or these people should go away or he should sue them.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:24 AM   #132
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So if Mr. Moore's deviance was considered common lnowledge for so long, why were we so willing to ignore it, and doesn't that make us complicent. Obviously, it does. How does that make you feel?
Only if we are voters in AL. and most of us are not.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:30 AM   #133
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I think this is why when Roy Moore says this is all too convenient to be true, I believe that part.

If all the creepy people were removed from government, big shortage of politicians, yes?

I think he has to be charged and convicted or these people should go away or he should sue them.
It concerns me that he's considered guilty based on allegations and circumstatial evidence. How on earth can you possibly prove something from 40yrs ago? Witnesses who saw something yesterday are unreliable. How do you believe a witness from 40 yrs ago? This is serious.
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Old 11-15-2017, 11:12 AM   #134
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So if Mr. Moore's deviance was considered common lnowledge for so long, why were we so willing to ignore it, and doesn't that make us complicent. Obviously, it does. How does that make you feel?
Moore was elected Chief Justice twice by the good people of Alabama. Maybe they thought his deviance would work in their favor.
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It concerns me that he's considered guilty based on allegations and circumstatial evidence. How on earth can you possibly prove something from 40yrs ago? Witnesses who saw something yesterday are unreliable. How do you believe a witness from 40 yrs ago? This is serious.
I am more than a little dubious about the whole thing. One woman claims he got very hot and heavy with her and that she was underage at the time, but that he never forced himself on her. Then three more say they did some smooching with the same guy when they were at least the age of consent, meaning there was nothing illegal happening. I suppose most people yawned and said BFD. Then the accusation cabal got out the big guns - a woman who says she was abducted and raped by the same guy. All these accusations come almost 40 years after the alleged events. The accusations could be true, but the timing is extremely fishy.

That's not to say the accused man is anything but a king-sized asshole; it's just to say the whole thing might be just a series of lies for the purpose of destroying his reputation.
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Old 11-15-2017, 11:25 AM   #136
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Really ?

You are rolling out that old, tired, fake meme ? I looked. It is a Right-Wing meme, and Trump re-tweeted that trash.


Joe Biden is the Mr. Rogers of the Democratic party.


Joe Biden does not give off that Roy Moore pervert vibe. He is a bumbling grandfather type, that has true, heartfelt affection for everyone. He is not a two-faced Republican, and does not look at every attractive female as potential prey.


For Fuck's Sake, keep up. There is a real Democrat creep in the crosshairs. That creep will get tossed to the curb. The Democratic party does not tolerate scandals If you fuck up, you are on your own.


If the Republican party was not so hypocritical, sexist, and two-faced, women would have equality. They would be treated as equals.


No groping from Biden.

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Old 11-15-2017, 11:43 AM   #137
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First of all, you are downplaying the 14 yr old's report. She was 14! You think it's ok that a 32 yr old got "hot and heavy" with her??? That's not how she described it. She said it was traumatic. She "just wanted it to end." She did not like it. He brought her home, went into his bedroom and came right out in his underwear. Put yourself in a 14 yr old girl's position you insensitive idiot. This is not normal. This is straight up sexual molesting of a child, no question about it.

I am amazed that you are writing this off as nothing.

As for Beverly Young Nelson, I not only believed every word, it's still extremely hard to watch. That was a violent sexual assault. He left bruises on her neck. He locked the door. He mauled her, while she was saying No and trying to fight him off. He grabbed her by the neck and tried to force her to give him a blow job while she was crying. He then threatened her, used intimidation, and ended by dumping her out on cold concrete in the dark behind a dumpster and peeling off, the sick fuck.

He is a menace, a violent predator. I have no doubt he HAS full on raped other teens who are just too scared to come forward, because they know people like you will not believe them.

But of course, we know you have a track record of overlooking violence by white men (Greg Gianforte, no big deal).

As for the political motivations, keep in mind these are religious Republicans from Alabama. Beverly Young voted for Trump, she said so. What exactly is the motivation? WHat's she getting out of it except death threats from psychos?

Also, none of these women--unlike ALL the Clinton accusers--have any affiliation or association with political operatives in the Democratic Party. They haven't been trotted out by Donna Brazile or her minions. Their stories were presented in reputable news sources and through third party legal representatives.

The WaPo did extensive supporting research, with 30 sources, such as, interviewing people they told about it AT THE TIME (also missing from the Clinton accusers.)

Moore said he never knew Beverly Young, it's all made up. Yet she has her yearbook with his creepy little message, and the sick fuck was being banned from the mall for stalking teens.

No, we cant have a trial. It is entirely a question of who you believe and the limited "evidence" available. There is so much to support the Moore accounts.

Even hack Sean Hannity is jumping off the Moore train.

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I am more than a little dubious about the whole thing. One woman claims he got very hot and heavy with her and that she was underage at the time, but that he never forced himself on her. Then three more say they did some smooching with the same guy when they were at least the age of consent, meaning there was nothing illegal happening. I suppose most people yawned and said BFD. Then the accusation cabal got out the big guns - a woman who says she was abducted and raped by the same guy. All these accusations come almost 40 years after the alleged events. The accusations could be true, but the timing is extremely fishy.

That's not to say the accused man is anything but a king-sized asshole; it's just to say the whole thing might be just a series of lies for the purpose of destroying his reputation.
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First of all, you are downplaying the 14 yr old's report. She was 14! You think it's ok that a 32 yr old got "hot and heavy" with her??? That's not how she described it. She said it was traumatic. She "just wanted it to end." She did not like it. He brought her home, went into his bedroom and came right out in his underwear. Put yourself in a 14 yr old girl's position you insensitive idiot. This is not normal. This is straight up sexual molesting of a child, no question about it.

I am amazed that you are writing this off as nothing.

As for Beverly Young Nelson, I not only believed every word, it's still extremely hard to watch. That was a violent sexual assault. He left bruises on her neck. He locked the door. He mauled her, while she was saying No and trying to fight him off. He grabbed her by the neck and tried to force her to give him a blow job while she was crying. He then threatened her, used intimidation, and ended by dumping her out on cold concrete in the dark behind a dumpster and peeling off, the sick fuck.

He is a menace, a violent predator. I have no doubt he HAS full on raped other teens who are just too scared to come forward, because they know people like you will not believe them.

But of course, we know you have a track record of overlooking violence by white men (Greg Gianforte, no big deal).

As for the political motivations, keep in mind these are religious Republicans from Alabama. Beverly Young voted for Trump, she said so. What exactly is the motivation? WHat's she getting out of it except death threats from psychos?

Also, none of these women--unlike ALL the Clinton accusers--have any affiliation or association with political operatives in the Democratic Party. They haven't been trotted out by Donna Brazile or her minions. Their stories were presented in reputable news sources and through third party legal representatives.

The WaPo did extensive supporting research, with 30 sources, such as, interviewing people they told about it AT THE TIME (also missing from the Clinton accusers.)

Moore said he never knew Beverly Young, it's all made up. Yet she has her yearbook with his creepy little message, and the sick fuck was being banned from the mall for stalking teens.

No, we cant have a trial. It is entirely a question of who you believe and the limited "evidence" available. There is so much to support the Moore accounts.

Even hack Sean Hannity is jumping off the Moore train.

But Hillary!!
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How do you believe a witness from 40 yrs ago?
You can't. This is just a straight up old fashioned character assassination.
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You can't. This is just a straight up old fashioned character assassination.
So you're dismissing the allegations of sexual abuse by Hollywood celebs for the same reason?
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Yeah, when it's revealed that you're a violent predator, that does tend to tarnish your character.


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Yes, but there's no evidence they've started any investigation.
No Senator has yet formally complained to the Senate Select Committee on Ethics. That's the trigger. It's not a Committee that has a partisan majority. Membership is balanced with three members of each party and they investigate based on complaints. It's a different beast than the more normal partisan commitee process.

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There's little evidence they ever will.
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“If he were to be sworn in, he would immediately be in a process before the Senate Ethics Committee,” McConnell said at a Wall Street Journal event. “He would be sworn in and be asked to testify under oath and it would be a rather unusual beginning, probably an unprecedented beginning.”
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Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, was the first lawmaker to raise the expulsion possibility. Gardner didn’t get the green light from McConnell before he issued his statement Monday advocating the move, according to GOP sources, though McConnell is clearly open to the idea.
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“He should not be in the United States Senate. Period, beginning and end,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
Remember it takes one Senator of either party to file an ethics complaint and the Ethics Commitee investigates. Moore isn't even keeping his party on his side. The evidence that there will be an investigation is overwhelming.
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If he wants to prove his innocence, he should release his browser history. If he is not guilty of the accusations, his browser history won't have any kiddie porn.
I second this motion. If there's one thing the browsing history of a right wing child molesting Jesus loving gun toting lunatic contain it's hypocrisy.
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I am no fan of McConnel but it is astute the way he has emphasized in this article that Trump has been fully informed at all times.

Trump has the choice of either backing Moore - which is offensive, or of telling Moore to stand aside, which will anger his (Trump's) base, or doing nothing which will look very weak. And, if the matter goes back to the senate the scandal will drag on and on. Options are not good from either a GOP or WH viewpoint.
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Trump backed someone else in the Alabama senatorial race. He could just say, "Don't look at me. I didn't back him for the job."
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Sixth woman accuses Roy Moore of sexual misconduct minutes after attorney holds presser aimed at discrediting accusers

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A sixth woman on Wednesday accused Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual misconduct, just minutes after his attorney help a press conference aimed at discrediting the cascade of allegations against him.

According to AL.com, Gadsden, AL resident Tina Johnson says Moore groped her buttocks in 1991, while she was in his law office. Johnson is the sixth woman who’s come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against Moore.

Johnson told AL.com the incident occurred when she was visiting Moore’s office with her mother, Mary Katherine Cofield, regarding custody of her 12-year-old son.

“He kept commenting on my looks, telling me how pretty I was, how nice I looked,” Johnson said. “He was saying that my eyes were beautiful.”

“I was thinking, can we hurry up and get out of here?” she added.

Per Johnson’s account, after the papers were signed, her mother exited the office first, at which point Moore came up behind her and grabbed her butt.

“He didn’t pinch it; he grabbed it,” she explained.
Well at least Roy didn't grab her pussy, like a common Trumpanzy!

Trump bolts from reporters rather than face Roy Moore questions

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President Donald Trump gave a blow-by-blow recounting of his trip to Asia on Wednesday when reporters were anxious to get a word from the president about embattled Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore.

After reading from a Teleprompter — and fumbling Marco Rubio-style with a bottle of water — Trump said thank you to the audience and said “God bless the United States of America,” turned away from the podium and left the room.

Reporters shouted questions about Moore, but Trump refused to respond.
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Hold onto that yearbook!
I would not let Roy Moore near it!

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This is the copy of that yearbook that is on file at the Southside Public Library. I looked through it yesterday. It came out for the class of 1977, who graduated that summer.

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That same sophomore class also has a picture of Moore's future wife, Kayla Kisor

The young woman that he attacked, was the same age as his future (young) wife, Kayla.

1977, Next to Miss Nelson, was Beverly Young, a sophomore at Southside, in the same class as Moore's future wife, Kayla Kisor. Southside is in Etowah County outside Gadsden, just over the Coosa River.

Young's picture is in the "Adventus" yearbook among the sophomores.


http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...remembere.html

Attorney for Roy Moore says Moore "flatly denies" signing yearbook, not his handwriting. Signed "DA" but he was the ADA at time.

-- Challen Stephens (@ChallenStephens) November 15, 2017

Roy Moore's attorney is demanding that the yearbook be released to determine whether it's genuine or "a fraud" #ALSen

-- AL.com (@aldotcom) November 15, 2017

Roy Moore's attorney: Moore says he can't remember ever signing his name with "D.A." after it. But that his signature was stamped on court documents with the "D.A.", such as on Beverly Young Nelson's divorce decree.


http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...incart_m-rpt-2


Roy Moore’s Lawyer Sends Hilarious Letter Threatening Media Lawsuits

It is unlikely that the sloppily drafted letter is going to intimidate anyone.

Roy Moore’s Lawyer Is Just As Nutty As Roy Moore

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The Foundation for Moral Law started off as the Roy Moore Legal Defense Fund, since Moore is a habitual lawbreaker who got removed from the judicial bench twice for trying to implement fundagelical sharia law. But the IRS said that donors couldn’t deduct their contributions to pay Moore’s lawyers, because that’s not how charities work. So the Moores changed the name, put themselves on the payroll, and made “jobs” for any of their kids who happened to be out of work.

It was a holy miracle for the Moores’ bank account. Evangelical Christians hoping to insert White Jesus into government and public schools donated to the FML, and the Moores paid themselves upwards of $200,000 a year since 2003. Only, they didn’t exactly declare all of it on their taxes. OOOPS! And the FML also got a little creative on their paperwork with the IRS, although they had an excuse!

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Roy Moore hates AL newspaper- hometown has no secrets- His charity will funnel money from donors that do not care about his sex crimes. Roy Moore will have plenty of money to sue the pants off of AL newspaper.

(gsgs comment- Wow! This newspaper tells the truth. I did not know the Deep South allowed that to happen.)

AL.com: We will not be silenced or slowed by Roy Moore's threat

Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore has threatened to file a lawsuit against AL.com based on its reporting about him. He claims the media organization has falsely reported information and has attempted to orchestrate a "trial by media" and has been playing to a "mob mentality."

Alabama Media Group, the publisher of AL.com, said Wednesday it stands by its reporting.

A letter dated Tuesday was sent to an attorney for Alabama Media Group, from Gadsden lawyer Trenton Garmon on behalf of Moore, his wife Kayla, and the Foundation for Moral Law. "This letter is provided in anticipating (sic) of our firm preparing and filing a lawsuit against your client and its agents," the letter states.


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Although it does serve the preferred argument, I'm less impressed with some of Moore's accusers when they claim to have voted for Trump for president. I think why in hell with the experience they went through with a sleazy predator on young women did they vote for a sleazy predator on young women for president?
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