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Old 10-27-2017, 08:23 PM   #26
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What, seriously? They'll just follow you around to tell you how much they hate your work because of that one story you wrote once?

That's kind of creepy.

What kind of things do they stay, mostly? I mean, do they mention the LW story you wrote in the comments for other stories or do they make it more general than that?
Like I said. It's not about you. It's not about your story. They're wrestling with demons you can't see.

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Old 10-27-2017, 10:01 PM   #27
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Like I said. It's not about you. It's not about your story. They're wrestling with demons you can't see.

Ignore them or Delete them. They aren't worth even thinking about.

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Except for maybe feeling a bit sorry for them. It's got to be a bad place to be thinking like that.
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Old 10-27-2017, 10:04 PM   #28
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Old 10-27-2017, 10:48 PM   #29
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:25 PM   #31
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I write an occasional 'Loving Wives' story for the express purpose of seeing how many sad, obsessed trolls I can upset.
Apparently, you don't really do that or you don't seem to know what it takes to upset trolls. None seem to have taken the bait.

You currently have three LW stories posted. All of them were scored decently. None of them got much if any attention from trolls. As many of us have said, a well-written story in LW attracts thoughtful comments from Anon readers. It's easy to see that's the case with your three stories.

Your own experience in LW is largely positive. Makes me wonder what your motive is in bashing the category.

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Old 11-26-2017, 11:35 PM   #32
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:37 PM   #33
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If a story there has consequences or retribution, I'm not into them. I move on to the ones where everybody gets along.
I tend to agree with that. I want to read an erotic story where the sex leads to something good, not where it gets people beaten up or tossed out on the street.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:44 PM   #34
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Well, I was more contemplating a story about a married man with his secretary, who wouldn't be married herself. The wife in my scenario is almost self-destructively giving and devoted, and the husband is depicted as the most in control and responsible for the situation. If the section really leans heavily towards a preference for women facing comeuppance for their misdeeds (which is the impression I've gotten), then the story I'm considering probably would be pretty poorly received.
I kinda followed those parameters with my first story in LW, "Balance." It got a good score and mostly positive feedback. Like RJordan said if you do a decent job defining the characters then you ought to have a measure of success.

But, I don't let anyone dictate what I write. if you feel up to posting your story in LW then I'll be interested in reading it. There's always room for good writers regardless of the category.
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Old 11-27-2017, 01:04 AM   #35
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Apparently, you don't really do that or you don't seem to know what it takes to upset trolls. None seem to have taken the bait.

You currently have three LW stories posted. All of them were scored decently. None of them got much if any attention from trolls. As many of us have said, a well-written story in LW attracts thoughtful comments from Anon readers. It's easy to see that's the case with your three stories.

Your own experience in LW is largely positive. Makes me wonder what your motive is in bashing the category.

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Old 11-29-2017, 08:39 PM   #36
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I kinda followed those parameters with my first story in LW, "Balance." It got a good score and mostly positive feedback. Like RJordan said if you do a decent job defining the characters then you ought to have a measure of success.

But, I don't let anyone dictate what I write. if you feel up to posting your story in LW then I'll be interested in reading it. There's always room for good writers regardless of the category.
I agree with Oshaw. If you are good or working your craft, LW is as good a place as any to get your feet wet. There are the usual number of nimrods to deal with but they are harmless.

Also, Oshaw should be required reading on Lit. He is one of a handful of the best writers we have.

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Old 11-30-2017, 06:36 AM   #37
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There doesn't seem to be much love in Loving Wives, it seems to be more a hate club for men who hate women.

Mind you, hatred of women online isn't limited to the Loving Wives section of Literotica. A while ago I was watching a clip from the sitcom 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' on Youtube, where Larry and Jeff had messed up as usual, and were in trouble with their wives Cheryl and Susie. I was amazed at the vitriol in the comments about Susie to some extent, but mainly Cheryl.

I kept thinking, do these people know that Cheryl and Susie don't actually exist, but are fictional characters in TV show?
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:42 AM   #38
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I kept thinking, do these people know that Cheryl and Susie don't actually exist, but are fictional characters in TV show?
Too many people believe in TV shows to the extent that their lives are affected by the plot lines. They love the heroes and hate the villains and transfer those emotions to the actors. It's a betrayal if one of the actors moves on to another show.

It also happens with stories on Literotica. Some trolls believe that ALL the stories are true-life accounts and attack any story that would have actions breaking their interpretation of US Law.

She abuses him? Throw her out! Divorce her! Lock her up for assault!

He abuses her? That's his male privilege...
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I kept thinking, do these people know that Cheryl and Susie don't actually exist, but are fictional characters in TV show?
With the unfortunate advent of fakeality garbage like Kardasitrash and 'Real Housewhores of (Insert city here)' TV viewers have become too brain dead to tell the difference between traditional scripted fictional characters and fake scripted characters.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:24 AM   #40
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Too many people believe in TV shows to the extent that their lives are affected by the plot lines. They love the heroes and hate the villains and transfer those emotions to the actors. It's a betrayal if one of the actors moves on to another show.

It also happens with stories on Literotica. Some trolls believe that ALL the stories are true-life accounts and attack any story that would have actions breaking their interpretation of US Law.

She abuses him? Throw her out! Divorce her! Lock her up for assault!

He abuses her? That's his male privilege...
Well, my latest is swords and sorcery. Hope they don't try and emulate that one. The wedding consummation takes place surrounded by bodies. I think that breaks a few US laws. Lol
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:24 AM   #41
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Loving Wives is such a misnomer of a sectional title that it's not even funny.

The reality is that there are several subsets in there -

Wives who cheat and are found out "Burn the Bitch!!" - which is really where you right wing authoritarian "My pride is more important than anything!" commentator responds.

Wives who cheat and are not found out, and who get away with it - there is a definite class of reader who enjoys this, but I find this tends to be way more related to how well written it is, and "how much the husband deserves it" in terms of positive response - either way, the BTB crowd (and that's pretty vocal) will vote and comment bomb it.

Couples who share, where both are sharing (either swinging or polyamorous). Again, the quality of story and writing matters more here.

Couples who share the wife - threesomes, external lovers etc - and this is a very different a distinct category from the next one. This tends to be more stroke stories than not, but there are still some very good ones, where the characters are more than just porno single dimension plot devices.

Cuckold (and the very occasional cuckquean too), where the story is all about humiliation of the husband, and how they enjoy it and ask for more. This category definitely has it's fans, but by god, it's bombed by the BTB crowd.

And lastly, actual stories with plot. These tend to be longer, character heavy, and while there's a wife (or wife to be) in there somewhere, the story doesn't revolve around that - there's other elements to the story. My stuff often falls into that category, but for the best examples, look at Oshaw's "Fortune", Rhenquists "The Lazy Lemon Sun" and Daniel Q. Steele's seminal "When we were married".

And then there's the simple stroke stories, in pretty much each category.

The issue here is that for a lot of this, fans of one genre hate stories of another genre, and will vote them down. This is why the vote values for Loving Wives are so different than from other sections, like Non-Erotic, for example. To get voted past a 4.5 on Loving Wives takes real ability, because it means you genre loving fans have seriously voted to out vote the people who hate the genre. I've seen some real crap in Non Erotic get 4.56 and upwards, and yet there's nothing in Loving Wives that gets a 4.5 or upwards without being seriously good. Except my stuff (since that last statement would sound very self serving). I'm the exception that proves the rule. I'm just lucky, to be honest, particularly when you look at Ohio, Oshaw, DTIverson, Rhenquist and all the others that really know what they are doing.

It's been suggested more than once that Loving Wives be split into sub sections, which is fine, but there are also 27k's worth of existing stories in there, and someone would have to categorize them. You can't rely on the authors (I mean, a lot of authors have moved on and are uncontactable), but those that are still about would probably throw a fit if Laural decided to take the work on and do it herself (which I find pretty unlikely - why would anyone want to take on that?) - so Loving Wives is probably just going to carry on being what it is.
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It almost makes me wonder if it would be a lot less vitriolic in general if it were actually two different sections, one of them a "cuckold fantasy," and one of them more about extra-marital situations where everyone is on board.
If you can introduce one or more scenes with a threesome or more-some, then post it in group sex. you won't get as many readers, but they'll be kinder.
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Loving Wives is such a misnomer of a sectional title that it's not even funny.

The reality is that there are several subsets in there -
I've been here for 15 years and LW has been the primary category, sometimes the only category, I read here. This is the best description of LW I have ever read.

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LW is one of my favourite categories but I get annoyed with all the misogynistic crap that gets into the comments. My only story, so far, could have gone into LW but also could fit into mature so I posted there. It’s perfectly possible to put LW tales into other categories if there are sufficient elements that fit.
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It’s perfectly possible to put LW tales into other categories if there are sufficient elements that fit.
And get one fifth the reader numbers you get in LW.

Face it, whether we like it or not, LW tends to get the most readers, comments, misogynists and drive by assassinations.

What that says about western civilization I'm sure I wouldn't want to comment on.
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If you can introduce one or more scenes with a threesome or more-some, then post it in group sex. you won't get as many readers, but they'll be kinder.
Maybe kinder but far less fun. Loving wives is just hilarious. The trolls are pure entertainment. I'm thinking of putting one up that pushes every button I can think of. Maybe I should ask for ideas here? How to troll every single segment of loving wives in one story?
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Maybe kinder but far less fun. Loving wives is just hilarious. The trolls are pure entertainment. I'm thinking of putting one up that pushes every button I can think of. Maybe I should ask for ideas here? How to troll every single segment of loving wives in one story?
I don't know about trolling "every single segment", but I think I pushed a lot of buttons with a story that started out as a "BTB" story that pulled a twist at the end that pissed off all the rabid anti-cuckold readers. If you really want to get a rise out of your readers, especially LW readers, surprise them.
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Maybe kinder but far less fun. Loving wives is just hilarious. The trolls are pure entertainment. I'm thinking of putting one up that pushes every button I can think of. Maybe I should ask for ideas here? How to troll every single segment of loving wives in one story?
I really wouldn't. While its a nice thought from the 'I'm providing you something for free' author point of view, it's basically an invitation for trolls to 1 star bomb you and start the whole "cuck - why don't you just cut your hands off to stop you writing" comments all over your other stories.

If you inflame the trolls enough, they will go out of their way to make your life miserable in all the other story categories. And they honestly will.

Honestly, it's better to just not poke that bear. Nothing good will come of it.
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And wassa BTB?
Burn the Bitch.

= Cheating wife gets her "just" desserts.

There's a certain very vocal element that wants to read stories about wives that cheat but simultaneously demands that she must be punished for it, and if she doesn't get punished they will 1-bomb you.
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