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Old 09-30-2017, 03:52 PM   #1
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Childhood Crushes

I'm writing a story, right now, where one of the characters has had a crush on a girl since he was a kid. I know I'm flirting with the problem of underage content, but I'm trying very hard to make sure that the crush doesn't have any sexual implications (until both characters are eighteen, that is).

I'd love to get the opinions of some of the experienced writers, here, to see if I need to make changes, rather than waste time waiting for it to be read after I submit it, only to have it rejected for that content. If you're willing to take a look, send me a PM, and I'll reply with the excerpt in question. (It's a little too long to post in this thread.)
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Old 09-30-2017, 03:56 PM   #2
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We can't help you. Contact laurel directly. She decides all such questions.

In general, making googly eyes and threatening girls with snakes because you like them, isn't going to cause issues in stories. I wouldn't let them hold hand though.
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Old 09-30-2017, 04:27 PM   #3
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Follow the fundamental rule: zero sexual content (even by implication) until your characters are 18....

Don't take the tale back too far would be my advice - start the story innocently in their seventeenth year, add a one-liner to cover the years, such as "Becky had known Johnny since they were ten and climbed trees together, and now they were... blah blah blah".

Or, leave teenage innocence where it should be (ie: not on Lit) and write them as older characters, solves all problems.
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Old 09-30-2017, 04:32 PM   #4
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Or, leave teenage innocence where it should be (ie: not on Lit) and write them as older characters, solves all problems.
Wow, you're not even trying to be subtle.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:00 PM   #5
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I'm writing a story, right now, where one of the characters has had a crush on a girl since he was a kid. I know I'm flirting with the problem of underage content, but I'm trying very hard to make sure that the crush doesn't have any sexual implications (until both characters are eighteen, that is).
How long is the story, and what category will it be in?

You could request a beta reader on the editor's forum. They will want the information I asked for.

I can imagine writing a story that starts with a childhood crush and doesn't tweak the underage rules at all. Childhood crushes weren't usually sexual. Teenage crushes...

On the other hand, it seems that a lot of the people who come here wondering why their story was rejected for underage content were rejected because the gave a character's back story that extended to before they were eighteen--often as a sort of infodump and the beginning.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:08 PM   #6
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If you take a look at my God Mother story, it's only one chapter, but the protag is an 12 year old boy who realized he has a crush on his GodMother. I just put a note on the submission note box that they don't have sex until he turns 18 and I told Laurel what page they started having sex. She let it go thru.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:09 PM   #7
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Question Interesting subject actually.

Where does the line gets drawn?

Is holding hands OK?
Kissing/Making out?
Which 'base' to use US lingo?

Cause we were all young once or twice werent we?

And different countries have 'different age of consent' so its a bit odd that 18 is such a defined line actually.
I think one should be able to say something like "Character X lost his/her virginity at the age of 16" if you specify that the age of consent is 15 as long as the sex actually described in the story is over 18.

I dont see this as worse as Incest or NonConsent actually. Can I write a rape-story in the latter btw? Thats actually way worse then 'under-age' sex as long as its consensual imo. My first time was as a 16yo and she was 15 but that I cant write about? Even if it should be a really short story. :-)

Yes, I can see the 'kiddie-porn' aspect of it. But as long as a person is 18yo you can still hypothetically describe her, yes its mostly a she, as a 13yo innocent with pigtails, tiny buds for breast and so on. Cant you?

Dont chop my head of over this. But please discuss it.
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Where does the line gets drawn?
The line is drawn where Laurel draws it. Discussion is futile.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:16 PM   #9
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The site is based in the US so no sexual contact until age 18.

I would hazard a guess holding hands is not sexual contact.

I would also hazard a guess that kissing with no touching of the dirty bits is oaky. I would however not call it making out. A simple "we kissed each other for awhile and then she went in the house and I walked home." will be acceptable.

Anything more than above will mostly like get the story rejected.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:48 PM   #10
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If the "crush" isn't sexual, I don't see what the problem is. If an over 18 character in the present recalls past events or feelings when that character was under 18, and there's nothing sexual about those events or feelings, I don't see how there can be a problem.

To answer the question more precisely, I think it's necessary to get a more precise description of what you want to do in the story.
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:01 AM   #11
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But as long as a person is 18yo you can still hypothetically describe her, yes its mostly a she, as a 13yo innocent with pigtails, tiny buds for breast and so on. Cant you?
That would be an also immediate no - that is a sexualized description from the get go. Fudging ages and then describing young teens is a no-no, once spotted.

Also, to address one of the comments from a new AH participant above - the 18 year rule has zero to do with the age of consent in any country. It's one of the site owner's fundamental policies; adhere to it, and you will be ok. Try to sneak under it, and you can expect either a rejection up front or a take-down later (if/when the story gets reported).

This topic comes up regularly, by the way - read through some of the threads on the topic - the responses are always the same.
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:06 AM   #12
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Wow, you're not even trying to be subtle.
Agree, no subtlety. We've all been teenagers, we've all lost our virginity, we've all matured as individuals. I just think there's a place for teenage loss of innocence, but an erotica website might not be that place, that's all.
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Old 10-01-2017, 02:58 AM   #13
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Wow, you're not even trying to be subtle.
Laurel is not subtle about this one. It's one of the basic site rules that will get your story rejected instantly and on sight. Not a hint of under 18 sex must exist. The moment of turning 18, it's no holds barred. Not reality, but those are the rules and we all learn to live with them. Snowy knows.....

Personally, I love writing "coming of age" stories and the under 18 rule seems unnatural to me but the site rules are the site rules. You learn to live with them or you put your stories up on asstr instead
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Old 10-01-2017, 03:35 AM   #14
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Yes... my childhood crush.

Oh....its not that sort of thread now is it?
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Yes... my childhood crush.

Oh....its not that sort of thread now is it?
Lol. It could be.
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The 18 rule exists because LIT is Laurel's site and that's Laurel's rule, that's all.

I've a tale where an adult reports that she orgasmed to a song when she was eight. I've a tale where a 13-year-old has a violently jealous crush on the the older guy who's screwing her mom and big sister -- but they have no sexual contact till she's over 18. A general rule here is that underage sex can be reported but not described. "She was knocked up at 14" is acceptable; HOW she was impregnated, isn't.
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Totally by chance I stumbled into this in a story today.

This words describes a boy on his 18th birthday.

"he'd already started into the sex thing and already had two girlfriends, both of whom he'd bedded. Well, not actually bedded but had sex with;"

So some type of leeway exist to the writer. You can speak of it but not about it. But this was from 2015 so Laurel perhaps is tougher on the rule now.

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Old 10-01-2017, 06:17 AM   #18
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I think one should be able to say something like "Character X lost his/her virginity at the age of 16" if you specify that the age of consent is 15 as long as the sex actually described in the story is over 18.
If you read the site FAQs and follow relevant links, you'll find that this is in fact already the policy.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthre...hreadid=175666

"A character can refer sex at an early age (eg I lost my cherry at 14), but cannot describe it."

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Yes, I can see the 'kiddie-porn' aspect of it. But as long as a person is 18yo you can still hypothetically describe her, yes its mostly a she, as a 13yo innocent with pigtails, tiny buds for breast and so on. Cant you?
Same link: "If your story comes across as pedophilia, it will probably be rejected." I'm pretty sure Laurel is familiar with that trick.

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Dont chop my head of over this. But please discuss it.
It would be nice if people read the FAQs so we didn't have to discuss this over and over...
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It would be nice if people read the FAQs so we didn't have to discuss this over and over...
Subtle.

I did actually read a lot of FAQs, how-to's and similar to my initial writing and, perhaps especially, refusal. But they differ some. Just look in this thread. It goes from a total No-No to mention but not describe. And all these FAQs arent so easy to find So these kind of questions and discussions wont dissappear imho.

But I think I, now more than ever, know where the line is and perhaps the thread-starter does to. So I thank you all for your time and effort with us newbies.
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Old 10-01-2017, 07:15 AM   #20
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On the main page of Literotica.com, we have this:

You must be over 18 years old to enter this site. If you are under 18 or do not wish to view adult content, you must exit now. Adults Only.
Welcome to Literotica, your FREE source for the hottest in erotic fiction and fantasy. Literotica features 100% original sex stories from a variety of authors. Literotica accepts quality erotic story submissions from amateur authors and holds story contests for contributors. We offer a huge selection of adult fantasies to choose from, and are always on the lookout for new and exciting ideas. We encourage you to contact us with any comments or suggestions on how we can make this free sex story site more pleasurable for you. Have fun and enjoy yourselves while visiting Literotica Erotic Fiction! All story characters involved in sexual situations on this adult erotic web site are over the age of consent.
No minors allowed.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm just weird that I read that and immediately connected the last two sentences to the first two. However, I decided "hey! I want to be a writer anyway." So, I clicked the link that said "submissions" in blue. 'Lo and behold, there were some more points the owner of the site wanted to make. So, I clicked on the first one and found;

https://www.literotica.com/faq/05235347.shtml#05319407

These are available on our Writer's Guidelines page. Basically, our biggest requirement is that we do not accept any story in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. We also have a minimum length guide. Please read the guidelines before submitting. If after reading our Guidelines you still have questions, feel free to email us.

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If you have a specific question, ask Laurel. Hers really is the only vote that counts. She doesn't mind, so long as you make it a question instead of trying to tell her how she should run her on-line art house. But, as a general rule, there doesn't seem to be much problem with characters under the age of eighteen, so long as they do not act in (or witness) a sexual encounter "on screen" or with detailed descriptions reminiscing from the time before they were eighteen.

Since the Americanized baseball metaphor was brought up, in a nutshell, don't pass first if they are under eighteen. Not even a stand-up double, much less a slider. Odds are, you will be called out. Rounding to third will definitely get you bounced back to the dugout.

Hope that helps. Oh, and don't forget to make yours a good day.
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Old 10-01-2017, 08:53 AM   #21
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Childhood crushes, or even childhood sexual feelings, are okay if done with good taste. It's pretty obvious to me, and hopefully to Laurel, when the line is crossed. I had a bigger problem when I tried to write a story where the character was abused as a child, and I wanted the reader to be aware of that. So I ending up hinting and alluding to it, which was not very satisfactory. I felt reassured by the fact that few people read my stuff here anyway.

Sometimes I write stories where sexual scenes are not there to be erotic. Sexual scenes are also sometimes important for plot or character development.
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Welcome to Literotica, your FREE source for the hottest in erotic fiction and fantasy. Literotica features 100% original sex stories from a variety of authors. Literotica accepts quality erotic story submissions from amateur authors and holds story contests for contributors. We offer a huge selection of adult fantasies to choose from, and are always on the lookout for new and exciting ideas. We encourage you to contact us with any comments or suggestions on how we can make this free sex story site more pleasurable for you. Have fun and enjoy yourselves while visiting Literotica Erotic Fiction! All story characters involved in sexual situations on this adult erotic web site are over the age of consent.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm just weird that I read that and immediately connected the last two sentences to the first two. However, I decided "hey! I want to be a writer anyway." So, I clicked the link that said "submissions" in blue. 'Lo and behold, there were some more points the owner of the site wanted to make. So, I clicked on the first one and found;

https://www.literotica.com/faq/05235347.shtml#05319407

These are available on our Writer's Guidelines page. Basically, our biggest requirement is that we do not accept any story in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. We also have a minimum length guide. Please read the guidelines before submitting. If after reading our Guidelines you still have questions, feel free to email us.

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If you have a specific question, ask Laurel. Hers really is the only vote that counts. She doesn't mind, so long as you make it a question instead of trying to tell her how she should run her on-line art house. But, as a general rule, there doesn't seem to be much problem with characters under the age of eighteen, so long as they do not act in (or witness) a sexual encounter "on screen" or with detailed descriptions reminiscing from the time before they were eighteen.

Since the Americanized baseball metaphor was brought up, in a nutshell, don't pass first if they are under eighteen. Not even a stand-up double, much less a slider. Odds are, you will be called out. Rounding to third will definitely get you bounced back to the dugout.

Hope that helps. Oh, and don't forget to make yours a good day.
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If you read the site FAQs and follow relevant links, you'll find that this is in fact already the policy.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthre...hreadid=175666
In fairness they are hard to find. The link you gave doesn't even point to this forum. Who is going to look on the Editor's Forum for that?

There's a post in this forum that would help ( http://forum.literotica.com/showpost...0&postcount=18 ) but it's buried 18 posts down on a thread that started out talking about acronyms.

If we want to solve the "repeat question" problem, anyone wanting to post to a new forum should have to click on a link that covers the essential questions first. You can't make them actually read it, but at least you can legitimately yell at people for ignoring it. As it is now I can't blame anyone for not finding things.
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My post in the same thread is more relevant:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost...2&postcount=27

And the two amplifications in the next posts.

But Laurel is the only decision maker on the 18 plus rule.
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Laurel has said that a character who APPEARS to be an underage human may not be in sexual situations on LIT. A 10,000 year old alien or succubus or witch or faerie who looks barely pubescent is banned. A genetically-damaged 45-year-old who forever looks 15 is banned.

But a 13-year-old mind awakening in a 19-year-old body, like emerging from a coma, is NOT banned. I'm sure there are other get-around tricks but I'm not interested.
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