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Old 11-07-2017, 03:00 AM   #26
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As far as I know the safest way to choke someone with a hand is not apply pressure to the neck, but rather to the soft underside of the chin where neck meets the chin. This forces the tongue up and restricts breathing, but not completely.

Now in all serousness. When going for the breathblay/choking you need to first answer a serious question: What gets you going? BOTH you and your parnter need to answer that. You need to know what exactly your partner enjoys, and what exactly you enjoy - and even more importantly what any of you want to avoid.

Here are some options:
1) A hand around the throat is a power move. Often it's not really about restricting breathing as much as about just holding someone by the vital point. Hold hard but don't squeeze, and you will get what you need.
2) Breath restriction - it's when the breathing is restricted but not cut off completely, making the sub wheeze for air. The method I described above is a good example, but overall there are guides and tutorials on the net for safe techniques. Be aware that anything to do with the neck is extremely dangerous, because not only you can chole someone - you can snap their neck or restrict bloodflow to the brain. Generally it's not recommended to go for the neck play unless you REALLY know what you do. Also, never use rope or any other implement for choking.
2) Asphyxia. It's the enjoyment derived from the complete lack of air. The easiest and by far most effective way to do that is covering nose and mouth with a hand.

Toys: there are some hoods available with only small holes for breathing. These can be effectively used for breath play. Also one of my favorite toys is a kind of airbag that traps half of the air you exhale so that when you next inhale - you inhale already used air partially. I don't own one though, just like the idea.

Safety methods:
When playing with breath, make sure you agree on a signal when the sub can ask you to stop. Needless to say you stop immediately.
If the sub is bound, give them a heavy object to hold - like a small 0.5kg dumbbell. The sub can drop it if they feel threatened, and that's your signal. Also they will automatically drop it if they by chance go too far and start to lose consciousness.

Play safe and have fun.
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Old 11-18-2017, 08:17 PM   #27
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Anatomy images above to illustrate what several other posters have said above.

To reiterate:

The point of choking is not to crush the oesophagus, but rather to put light pressure on the carotid arteries to stop oxygen circulation to the brain. So PYL's, please create a V shape with your hands, which allows the fleshy part of the palm to rest against the esophagus without causing any obstruction to the windpipe, and press down on the arteries. It’s not about stopping your pyl from breathing completely, but to make them lightheaded.

This is very, very important!

Also, please do not attempt any choking while under the influence because your better judgment may be impaired and you can cause some serious damage.

Choking is serious business, if you’re going to engage in it, please be sure to practice it properly and in a safe manner!

I know that this is repeating what others have said, but since you can inadvertently kill someone with this kind of play, I am going with better safe than sorry.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:22 PM   #28
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I have seen several suggestions that breath play is "just another BDSM" kink. This couldn't be further from the truth. To that end, and in hopes of keeping someone safe:

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Take Your Breath Away: Basics of Breath Play (VERY IMPORTANT)

by Norische

Within the vast selection of BDSM activities not one is as dangerous as breath play. To be quite blunt there is NO safe way to participate in breath play. This is the only activity, that I am aware of, that strictly violates the Safe Sane Consensual regiment. All the instructional articles about breath play state basically the same thing, it can be done with a moderate amount of risk. Nowhere, in over 140 pages of information did I find one single reference to being able to participate in breath play safely.

In my honest opinion if it cannot be done safely. DON’T DO IT! But that is just my opinion.

Also if you are determined to experience this form of edge play…. NEVER ATTEMPT BREATH PLAY ALONE!!!

Autoerotic Asphyxia

Autoerotic Asphyxia, also known as sexual hanging, is the practice of inducing cerebral hypoxia, usually by the means of self-applied ligatures or suffocating devices, while the individual masturbates to orgasm.

The most common participants in this practice are adolescent and young adult males, ranging in age from 15 to 29. Autoerotic Asphyxia counts for 6.5% of all the self-induced adolescent deaths and 31% of all adolescent hanging deaths within the past 10 years. Since in the majority of such deaths it is a family member that finds the individual, the “scene of the crime” is frequently altered to cover up the sexual nature of the death. Due to this fact and since the only ones that get reported are the individuals that die… the true number of individuals that participate in this activity may never be known. Deaths related to autoerotic asphyxia have been reported in victims as young as 9 and as old as 80 yrs, with 71% of the individuals being less than 30 yrs old.

The most common form of Autoerotic Asphyxia is constriction of the neck, or hanging. This form decreases the amount of blood flow to the brain leading to cerebral hypoxia. The resulting effect is lightheadedness, exhilaration, almost giddiness; these effects along with the shear excitement of the moment multiply the effect of masturbation. Unfortunately the reduced blood flow to the brain also will create disorientation, weakness, loss of coordination and drowsiness. Hence and individual may loose the ability to release themselves from their self-induced prison, and the end result is simply put… death.

There have been documented cases of Autoerotic Asphyxia since the early 1600’s. Oddly enough it was once used as a treatment for erectile dysfunction and impotency. Some documentation noted that a hanged man would sometimes get an erection even ejaculate while being hanged, this indeed may have been the focus point for the interest in the odd practice of asphyxia during sexual actives. Many different cultures have a history of sexual asphyxia, from the Orient, to the South America, from the Celts to the Native Americans; this dangerous practice has held the imagination of many individuals for centuries.

The general taboo of this deadly practice has allured thrill seekers as well as the curious for decades. The dramatic effects of this unusual decadence kept individuals trapped within the weavings of its web. The sudden stop at the end of this ride is what keeps others at bay, and leery of ridding this deadly roller coaster.

Where The Danger Lies

Some people have asked what the real danger in breath play is…that one is actually simple…death. Death does have a tendency to be sort of permanent, and in my honest opinion it can really mess up an otherwise fabulous evening, and it is damn inconvenient to boot.

One statement I have heard is that “breath play is ok as long as you don’t do it until the slave/submissive lapses into unconsciousness.” This statement is disturbing for several reasons. First, there is no medically valid way to know exactly when an individual will become unconscious. Second, when someone looses consciousness it is not an end it is merely a symptom, ranging from mere oxygen depletion to cardiac arrest. Third, if the breath play involves choking then damage to the larynx can occur at any time and is an extremely serious injury that would need medical attention immediately.

Breath play is dangerous whether the slave/sub loses consciousness or not, although the risk of permanent damage or even death is multiplied exponentially when it is taken to that extreme.

Basic Facts

Choking

1. Anytime there is pressure put on the neck, such as with choking you run the risk of causing severe and perhaps permanent damage to the carotid arteries. This may lead to numbness, weakness, dizziness and difficulties speaking.

2. The larynx is incredibly fragile and easily injured; pressure to the larynx should be avoided at all costs. Any injury, even a minor injury to the larynx, may cause swelling of the airways leading to coughing, choking and inability to speak, and possibly the inability to breath.

3. While choking someone the airway may become obstructed by the tongue. Swelling of the tongue and lips is quite normal when someone is being choked. Unfortunately it is impossible to tell just how much swelling is going to occur, since each individual is different, it is also impossible to tell when the swelling will reach that dangerous level.

4. Also the reduction of blood flow to the brain tissues during choking may cause Ischemia. Since blood contains both oxygen and glucose, when ischemia occurs, it can lead to hypoxia which is a reduction of oxygen to the brain, as well as hypoglycemia which is low blood glucose level. Prolonged hypoxia – ischemia is associated with Ischemic Attack (stoke), Transient, Brain Infarction, Brain Edema, Coma and other conditions.

5. Another associated physical problem is cerebral anoxia. Hypoxia is the reduced oxygen flow to the brain; anoxia is the total absence of oxygen within the brain tissue. If oxygen is prevented from reaching the tissues for too long, tissue death can occur. If severe, it can cause irreversible brain damage. Less severe cases can cause sensory distortions and hallucinations. Hence pressure on the carotid arteries can lead to ischemia, which is directly associated with hypoxia and if the restriction of oxygen to the brain continues for more than three to five minutes then cerebral anoxia is a very real possibility. If the circulation to the brain is insufficient for more than three to five minutes the consequent damage can lead to death even days or weeks after the initial incident.

6. The lack of blood flow to the brain may also force the heart to beat more rapidly or beat erratically in an effort to increase the level of blood to the brain; hence, heart arrhythmia.

7. Oxygen deprivation of the heart or Anoxaemia will trigger what is called premature ventricular contractions or PVC’s for short. Basically the lower the heart gets on oxygen the more PVC’s it generated and the more vulnerable to their effect the heart will become, thus this will increase the possibility of ventricular fibrillation and the risk of its causing a cardiac arrest. There is no way to know when this will happen to a particular person, during a particular session, not even with the most advanced cardiac monitors available.

Bags and Gags

Placing a barrier of some form over the slave/sub’s mouth and nose during play is another popular method of breath play. The use of a plastic bag is probably the most popular barrier used, followed closely by tape and barrier gags. This form of breath play has it’s own unique set of problems to add to the above list.

1. Sometimes when an individual begins to choke they will vomit, if the individual is unable to expel the vomitus, mucus or saliva they may inhale this material into his or her lungs. Normally a person will not actually draw the materials completely into their lungs, but if there is a barrier in place the chances of this occurring is raised exponentially. Even removal of the barrier immediately will not prevent damage to the respiratory system. Aspiration may lead to unconsciousness, cyanosis, cardiac arrest and the cessation of breathing.
2. Another thing to remember is that when you use tape, the most common being duck tape, there is a very real possibility of an allergic reaction. This may cause swelling of the air passageways, anaphylactic shock, unconsciousness, and again even death, depending on the degree of allergic reaction.

Any form of breath play has some basic health risks. These risks depend on the age, and health of the slave/sub, it also depends on the specific type of breath play you are participating in. No list can be truly complete because of all the possible pre-existing conditions that may be present, but I believe this will give you some idea of the dangerous nature of breath play.

1. Elevated blood pressure
2. Heart attack
3. Stroke
4. Heart failure
5. Heart arrhythmia
6. Choking
7. Injury to the larynx
8. Cerebral anoxia
9. Cerebral hypoxia
10. Brain Edema
11. Brain Infarction
12. Coma
13. Aspiration
14. Allergic reaction or anaphylactic shock
15. Loss of consciousness
16. Hallucinations
17. Panic Attack
18. Seizures
19. Injury due to fall (during loss of consciousness)
20. Asthma attack

The list goes on and on; while this list only has the most dramatic possibilities they are still very real possibilities.

The cumulative damage from repeated breath play is still in question, researchers have experimented on a variety of animals but the information is still pretty sketchy. One fact is quite certain, reduced blood flow and in turn reduced oxygen to the brain kills brain cells. Once a brain cell is damaged it cannot be repaired or replaced, this is one of the few cells in the human body that does not regenerate. One author I found had a disturbing way of looking at this…..

“…our brain is set up so that we can endure a lot of brain damage without any real consequences.” “….it is all a matter of being conscious of the risk and deciding what level of damage you are comfortable with.”

This author goes on to state that he happen to be very comfortable with the damage done if he keeps the breath play itself to 30 seconds or so….my opinion is that this individual is facing no true danger as he is the Dominant individual within the relationship, there for it is irrelevant what he is comfortable with. Since there is no current way to tell what level of brain damage has been done until it is too late, my question is how can anyone be conscious of the risk; hence, how can someone truly consent to this type of play if they are not informed of all the facts, specifically the risks.

Who tends to be injured or who has the highest mortality rate in reference to lack of oxygen during breath play.

1. Men over the age of 40

2. People with a history of seizure disorder

3. People suffering from mental illness, especially manic-depressives in the manic phase

4. Anyone under the influence of drugs or alcohol (even prescription drugs)

5. Anyone taking any form of digitalis or tricyclic antidepressants

6. Anyone with a history of respiratory, heart, or blood pressure problems

7. People who are overweight (especially if they have high cholesterol levels)

8. Anyone that has a cold or other respiratory problems at the time of the play cession.

9. Anyone that is diabetic or hypoglycemic.

Since I am not a medical doctor I cannot list all the possible people that are at risk because my list would be honestly rather short…

10. Everyone else

Safe, Sane and Consensual….once again those words come up. Is this play safe…no. There is no safe way to do breath play. Is this play sane…no. Since you cannot do this play safely and cannot predict the level of damage done there is no true way to intelligently say it is sane. Is this play consensual…no. Without the ability to fully understand the risks, and possible long term dangers with this type of play then you cannot give informed consent, hence it cannot be consensual.

I find any play that does not fall under these simple guidelines to be out of my range of participation, I have in the past done breath play…but it is now on my hard limits list. How can I ask someone to give up his or her life for me… I cant. Since this is exactly what I may be doing when it comes to breath play I do not consider it an acceptable method of BDSM play at this point.

The thrill is exhilarating; the moment is a wondrous flow of emotion, adrenalin, and anticipation. But no matter how spectacular the effects of the moment, no matter how high someone can get or the feeling of trust that must be present, nothing is worth the loneliness if something goes wrong.

As with everything this is my opinion, take what you will and leave the rest. If you wish to contact me, my email address is Norisch1@mchsi.com. If you wish to see more of my work you may find a complete listing of all my writings at…. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norisches_Quill/ in the files section.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:31 PM   #29
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I find this interesting ... I did a bit of looking around online when this was something that entered my list of 'things I enjoy', and although there's a lot of sites that say similar things about risk, no where could I find any record of anything untoward actually having happened during breath play when it involved two sober people who didn't have any ill intentions towards each other and were paying attention. There's obviously ample incidents of things going badly during auto-erotic asphyxiation - that does just seem like a recipe for disaster - and a few incidents where something untoward happened because of irresponsible behaviour (e.g. putting someone in a position of partial asphyxiation and then wandering off to make a cup of tea). But in circumstances that mimic my own - two people who don't want anything bad to happen and are taking the expected degree of care - there doesn't seem to be any actually documented cases of bad things happening.
If anyone know of cases that demonstrate the actual risk, I'd be interested in seeing them.
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Breath play is, mechanically, very similar to the choke or "sleeper" holds taught to both the military and the police at one time. There is a reasons every single police department in the country has banned or at least seriously restricted the protections afforded to officers who use them, often classifying them as deadly force.

So, if you want a little more confirmation, look up the restrictions on those holds and why.
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I don't think something that's used in the context the police/military working and what I described are the same at all. The mechanics may well be, but pretty much everything else isn't.
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I've been buzzed, and it's been fine. It feels goooood.

Just trust the person you're with.
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I daresay knife play, electrical play, water play are maybe just as dangerous as breath play.
Just to name a few.
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I saw this literally two minutes after you posted

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Yeah, a typo totally negates my point. Totally.
You said the same thing everyone else did, including me, except you numbered it.

YOUR point was made pages ago.

I know it's my call. I don't need YOU'RE point on that, either.
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Help me understand this situation.
I shared an article, that's all; the formatting came with the article.

Does it bother you so much that someone else contributed to the thread, that you need to latch onto an Auto-Correct error and act like it's a valid issue?
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Help me understand this situation.
I shared an article, that's all; the formatting came with the article.

Does it bother you so much that someone else contributed to the thread, that you need to latch onto an Auto-Correct error and act like it's a valid issue?
Why do you care? I read your post, and stated my opinion: Other stuff can be just as dangerous, trust is important, and choking feels goooood.
Get over it.
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Help me understand this situation.
I shared an article, that's all; the formatting came with the article.

Does it bother you so much that someone else contributed to the thread, that you need to latch onto an Auto-Correct error and act like it's a valid issue?
(a) Far wasn't suggesting your (and numerous other people's) point was negated.

(b) You're also yet to produce any context-specific evidence. Whereas obviously we have some empirical evidence that breathplay can be done without long-term adverse effects. Not a representative sample, but every time this discussion comes up (which it does often), no one ever actually provides any evidence of things going wrong in the context we're talking about.
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Breath Play can be done safely, it was never my contention that it couldn't be. I've done it on numerous occasions. But it has to be done with care and there is a level of understanding that it just makes sense for the players to possess before they try it.

Edit: I'm not sure that there are any in context examples to be shared, short of someone saying, "yeah, I nearly killed my sub once." I don't think you're going to find the sort of data I think you're asking for any where.

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