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dolf said:
bad idea?
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A lot of good ideas turn into bad ideas when someone tries to actually do it.

Touching someone who does not want to be touched is assault. That's already illegal in most civilized countries.

Saying something someone does not want to hear is another matter. How does a a police officer "recognize subtle signs of harassment"?

Harassment is by definition, unwanted. The exact same action can be wanted, in other circumstances. If the potential harasser is desirable and attractive, his attention is more likely to be welcomed.

This puts men in the position of having to assess their desirability and attractiveness, something no man has ever really found easy.
 
bronzeage said:
A lot of good ideas turn into bad ideas when someone tries to actually do it.

Touching someone who does not want to be touched is assault. That's already illegal in most civilized countries.

Saying something someone does not want to hear is another matter. How does a a police officer "recognize subtle signs of harassment"?

Harassment is by definition, unwanted. The exact same action can be wanted, in other circumstances. If the potential harasser is desirable and attractive, his attention is more likely to be welcomed.

This puts men in the position of having to assess their desirability and attractiveness, something no man has ever really found easy.
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harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats ...

One dirty shout out in the hope she likes that sort of thing is not harassment. Stupid yes. Guys who yell out at girls should be ticketed for disturbing the peace.

This is continued activities. Not a one time say something dirty and go by your good looks not to get slapped.
 
VaticanAssassin said:
Too soon? :)

Not that I needed a reminder how powerful these cats can be, but if I did, that video provides it.....
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Not too soon for me. I LOL'd. :D

But yeah, I couldn't believe how easily that cat snagged her and dragged her away. A mere "come along" hold as the cops might say.
 
All of this stuff is part of what was considered the mating game not so long ago.

The bigger question is what happens when all anonymous random contact with women becomes unacceptable.
 
hmm...

i'm trying to think of a time when a group of builders leant over the scaffolding, yelled, ''oi! love! nice tits! oi! smile! OI! SMILE!!! don't be a bitch! can't you take a fuckin' compliment!?'', and she decided to marry one of them...
 
DesEsseintes said:
The logic of that equality is not, for me, proven - nor is this idea of the pyramid of violence which begins with words. But then again:

1) It doesn't have to be equal for it to be worth using legislation to improve people's lives. I'm not going to the free speech barricades to defend a misogynistic arsehole from getting a telling-off because of being a graceless dick. Assuming the authorities are not planning to make it an imprisonable offence, I think on balance it will make things better for most if used sensibly;

2) Without quite subscribing to the language of 'privilege', I'm well aware that as a heterosexual white middle class man living in England, I am unlikely to be in the firing line for this sort of abuse. If I don't see it, it absolutely does not mean that it doesn't happen - in fact, the sort of people who pull this sort of shitty stunt are perhaps the sort to be deterred if the women were accompanied by men.

As with so many other things, it would be a better world if legislation were not needed. But if it is - that is, if methods of education and persuasion are exhausted, and if it is demonstrably on the side of strengthening the put-upon party in a dispute, then it is right to do so.
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Some cases of "catcalling" are pretty benign: whistling or the occasional silly-juvenile remark. Others are a nuisance or very offensive. There might be, indeed, men who engage in catcalling as part of some ominous sexual harassment, but I doubt that there are many such cases.
Not from what I've seen, at least. But who knows - maybe my experience was different and NY and UK are full of pervs and degenerates.

Anyway. Imo they should be treated as public nuisance or disturbance, and should be considered sexual harassment only if their context points to that.
Lumping together all such cases under the ominous category of sexual harassment, instead of judging them case by case, will actually trivialize and make a disservice to women who face real problems around sexual abuse or harassment.
 
dolf said:
hmm...

i'm trying to think of a time when a group of builders leant over the scaffolding, yelled, ''oi! love! nice tits! oi! smile! OI! SMILE!!! don't be a bitch! can't you take a fuckin' compliment!?'', and she decided to marry one of them...
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Stupid examples aside, if the social norm moves to a position where it is frowned upon for men to interact with women they don't know, it is appropriate to wonder how courtship rituals will evolve.
 
If this law passes, how is a male construction worker going to let a passing woman know that he finds her attractive?

Won't someone please think of the construction workers?!?
 
dolf said:
hmm...

i'm trying to think of a time when a group of builders leant over the scaffolding, yelled, ''oi! love! nice tits! oi! smile! OI! SMILE!!! don't be a bitch! can't you take a fuckin' compliment!?'', and she decided to marry one of them...
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That's how I met my second wife.
 
richard_daily said:
If this law passes, how is a male construction worker going to let a passing woman know that he finds her attractive?

Won't someone please think of the construction workers?!?
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I gather that contracts for construction sites now often include a ban on cat-calling etc. It's bad PR when little women can afford to buy houses too.

A complete stranger in the street who makes a "nice tits" comment as he draws level can never be brought to account: you just shrug, think 'wanker' and keep walking but it's not as though that's a rare event

Upworthy "While the policy is not perfect (the language of the hate crime clause is somewhat vague), it's still a step forward because it teaches officers to recognize subtle signs of harassment.
Some examples include "unwanted or uninvited sexual advances, unwanted or uninvited physical or verbal contact or engagement ... and use of mobile devices to send unwanted or uninvited messages or take photographs without consent or permission."

So that would cover having someone grab your ass on a bus, someone trying to take a photo up your skirt or inviting you to give them a BJ... not exactly the stuff of courtship. So if guys feel so hard done by that they can't throw abuse at women, thinking they are doing them a huge favour for even noticing them, then cry me a fucking river.

This doesn't trivialise more serious crimes, as though the extra recording of hate crimes somehow dilutes their importance. What it does is put in law something that kids ought to be brought up with: that you respect other people. I was taught to respect adults, stand to one side for women and elderly people - you know, being decent? It seems too many people aren't brought up that way - so society has to pick up where parents failed.

This really isn't something in which men have a say, I'm afraid - that's the point. Here's a quote from a woman in Nottingham
“Yesterday I felt ten feet taller walking around this city. I literally felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. It was amazing because I know that many men who might normally want to shout or whistle will have read about this and they will have to stop and reflect.”
 
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