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Ireland Votes to Approve Gay Marriage, Putting Country in Vanguard

DUBLIN — Ireland became the first nation to approve same-sex marriage by a popular vote, sweeping aside the opposition of the Roman Catholic Church in a resounding victory Saturday for the gay rights movement and placing the country at the vanguard of social change.

With the final ballots counted, the vote was 62 percent in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage, and 38 percent opposed.

Go to New York Times story>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/w....html?emc=edit_na_20150523&nlid=66636455&_r=0
 
boomer177 said:
Ireland Votes to Approve Gay Marriage, Putting Country in Vanguard

DUBLIN — Ireland became the first nation to approve same-sex marriage by a popular vote, sweeping aside the opposition of the Roman Catholic Church in a resounding victory Saturday for the gay rights movement and placing the country at the vanguard of social change.

With the final ballots counted, the vote was 62 percent in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage, and 38 percent opposed.

Go to New York Times story>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/w....html?emc=edit_na_20150523&nlid=66636455&_r=0
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This is good news, not just for gay people or for the people of Ireland, but for all people who object to theocratic domination of people's daily lives. :)
 
Boxlicker101 said:
This is good news, not just for gay people or for the people of Ireland, but for all people who object to theocratic domination of people's daily lives. :)
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To think Ireland was practically a theocracy a generation ago, and now they're making progress like this - and even the most hardened opponents pretty much threw their hands up and said, "Fuck it, we got nothing."

Hopefully people here start to do the same.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
This is good news, not just for gay people or for the people of Ireland, but for all people who object to theocratic domination of people's daily lives. :)
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Opposition to Gay Agendas has nothing to do with "theocracy." It has to do with science, biology, common sense, the importance of the heterosexual family to the fabric of society, and historical tradition. Sadly, as homosexuals took over the civil power structure over the past 40 years, it was left to the churches to organize the opposition because nobody else would.

The traditional religions condemned homosexuality in the same way they condemned murder, stealing, or anything else. No one would say that laws against murder or stealing wouldn't exist if they hadn't been condemned by the religions. The religions just codified they things further. Its no different from sexual morality, the religions simply codified what society always viewed as wrong.

Very sad to see Ireland added to the growing list of countries on the crap heap of history, but oh well, the third world, Eurasian Union, Middle East, Africa, etc, is where the future is. One little western backwater is really not that important in the great scheme of things.
 
renard_ruse said:
Opposition to Gay Agendas has nothing to do with "theocracy." It has to do with science, biology, common sense, the importance of the heterosexual family to the fabric of society, and historical tradition. Sadly, as homosexuals took over the civil power structure over the past 40 years, it was left to the churches to organize the opposition because nobody else would.

The traditional religions condemned homosexuality in the same way they condemned murder, stealing, or anything else. No one would say that laws against murder or stealing wouldn't exist if they hadn't been condemned by the religions. The religions just codified they things further. Its no different from sexual morality, the religions simply codified what society always viewed as wrong.

Very sad to see Ireland added to the growing list of countries on the crap heap of history, but oh well, the third world, Eurasian Union, Middle East, Africa, etc, is where the future is. One little western backwater is really not that important in the great scheme of things.
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Murder, stealing, etc. cannot be compared to homosexuality. That's not even apples to oranges; it's more like comparing apples to airplanes. The former injure people but the latter injures nobody and is, therefore, a victimless crime in those places where it is still against the law. :eek:
 
renard_ruse said:
Opposition to Gay Agendas has nothing to do with "theocracy." It has to do with science, biology, common sense, the importance of the heterosexual family to the fabric of society, and historical tradition.
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Science and biology have determined that homosexuality is as normal as red hair. It exists in other species besides humans. Common sense has determined that letting people love the people they want to love rather than forcing them into marriages with people they can never truly be happy with is the right way to go. The heterosexual family isn't going away any more than vanilla went away when they came up with chocolate. And historical tradition can go fuck itself.

renard_ruse said:
Sadly, as homosexuals took over the civil power structure over the past 40 years, it was left to the churches to organize the opposition because nobody else would.
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Because the churches were left being the sticks-in-the-mud while the rest of society got with the program. Churches, especially the Catholic Church, are behind the times, stuck in a bygone era that benefits no one. They see a problem and steer society to a rigid, other-extreme approach. In short, letting the churches dictate anything is a really bad idea.

renard_ruse said:
The traditional religions condemned homosexuality in the same way they condemned murder, stealing, or anything else. No one would say that laws against murder or stealing wouldn't exist if they hadn't been condemned by the religions. The religions just codified they things further. Its no different from sexual morality, the religions simply codified what society always viewed as wrong.
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The traditional religions condemned a shit-ton of things that are no big deal. Christianity in particular condemned pork and shellfish, and today there are entire restaurant chains and cooking styles dedicated to both - and it't not hurting anyone. A woman is no longer required to marry her brother's widow.

All rules within a religion are made in context. When Jesus prohibited divorce, it was because of massive gender inequality, to the point where a man who divorced his wife would leave her totally and completely fucked. So he was telling people, "Don't leave your wives totally and completely fucked." That doesn't exist anymore in our society. A better rule today is, "If you must get divorced, don't be a shithead about it and take care of your fucking children."

If Jesus were around today and a judge asked him for consult on the sentencing of a drug offender, Jesus may say something like, "Never send a person to prison for a drug offense." Many centuries later, this would be misconstrued to forbid imprisoning a person who uses roofies to rape a coed when Jesus was simply making a command about the negative impact of the War on Drugs. And we misconstrue the messages of "traditional religions" to this day. In the case of homosexuality, they needed people creating children as much as possible. To prevent procreation was akin to murder. And yet, just like modern-day Texas, the only penalty they could think of was death.

renard_ruse said:
Very sad to see Ireland added to the growing list of countries on the crap heap of history, but oh well, the third world, Eurasian Union, Middle East, Africa, etc, is where the future is. One little western backwater is really not that important in the great scheme of things.
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And how much longer before the tyrants of those areas begin to topple? How much longer before people there begin to fight for more equality? They will see that civilization doesn't end when homosexuals are permitted full rights, and then a simple generational shift will create those rights for people. South Africa went from apartheid to full rights for homosexuals in a generation. Ireland went from a theocracy to full rights for homosexuals is a similar time frame. Spain went from a fascist dictatorship to full rights for homosexuals in that time as well. It can happen. It has happened. It will happen.
 
renard_ruse said:
Opposition to Gay Agendas has nothing to do with "theocracy." It has to do with science, biology, common sense, the importance of the heterosexual family to the fabric of society, and historical tradition. Sadly, as homosexuals took over the civil power structure over the past 40 years, it was left to the churches to organize the opposition because nobody else would.

The traditional religions condemned homosexuality in the same way they condemned murder, stealing, or anything else. No one would say that laws against murder or stealing wouldn't exist if they hadn't been condemned by the religions. The religions just codified they things further. Its no different from sexual morality, the religions simply codified what society always viewed as wrong.

Very sad to see Ireland added to the growing list of countries on the crap heap of history, but oh well, the third world, Eurasian Union, Middle East, Africa, etc, is where the future is. One little western backwater is really not that important in the great scheme of things.
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All of that is historically, scientifically and biologically 100% incorrect. You really ought to make an attempt to understand the history you spew.
 
Didnt work out well for Sodom and Gomorrah, did it?


Shameless Lib Rag WaPo Promotes The “Evolution” Of “Forsaking Monogamy”…



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Via Newsbusters:

Washington Post reporter Caitlin Dewey’s beat is the Internet. But her big piece on the front page of Wednesday’s Style section is about something broader: “Forsaking monogamy: The evolution of relationships has made affairs less clandestine and less combustive. And of course there are Web sites to help match tryst-seekers.”

This being the Post, there is no space for critics of the “evolution” of online adultery Web sites or their users. Dewey promoted the “non-monogamous dating site Open Minded,” where her married female subject, Jessie, advertised, “I’m into building deep and loving relationships that add to the joy and aliveness of being human.” She talked her husband into “ethical non-monogamy.”

The Post also used the term “monogamish,” the cutesy term of radical gay sex columnist Dan Savage to describe the married-but-cheating lifestyle.

The online headline was “Are new dating apps killing monogamy? Or has it always been dead?” Dewey pushed (B). Or monogamy is an old “agricultural” tradition that’s fading away in the modern age. Adultery is the new mainstream, according to Open Minded founder Brandon Wade:
 
renard_ruse said:
Opposition to Gay Agendas has nothing to do with "theocracy." It has to do with science, biology, common sense, the importance of the heterosexual family to the fabric of society, and historical tradition.
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Historical tradition is the ONLY thing you got.......and historical tradition is for holidays and tyrants, not a free and civilized society.

Boxlicker101 said:
Decreasing the grip of organized religion on civilization is, indeed, progress.
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Don't forget the grip of government being loosened as progress either.

It's not the governments place to tell you who to marry, it's their job to take your 100 bucks and file your paperwork. A concept most of the RW in the US is totally unfucking familiar with and forsakes all the time in favor of their best friend forever, huge bloated over reaching government....

Just ask most if not all of the other alleged freedom loving conservatives here....

Speaking of which...

Busybody said:
Didnt work out well for Sodom and Gomorrah, did it?


Shameless Lib Rag WaPo Promotes The “Evolution” Of “Forsaking Monogamy”…
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Awww someone's mad because losing theocratic tyrant control........

Who's a huge invasive government lover!?!?!?! YOUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!
 
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BotanyBoy said:
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Decreasing the grip of organized religion on civilization is, indeed, progress.


Don't forget the grip of government being loosened as progress either.

It's not the governments place to tell you who to marry, it's their job to take your 100 bucks and file your paperwork. A concept most of the RW in the US is totally unfucking familiar with and forsakes all the time in favor of their best friend forever, huge bloated over reaching government....

Just ask most if not all of the other alleged freedom loving conservatives here....

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I'm puzzled you would say that, because people like you are usually calling for more federal government control, combined with largesse.
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Boxlicker101 said:
I'm puzzled you would say that, because people like you are usually calling for more federal government control, combined with largesse.
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1) People like me? Esplain....

2) I call for more federal/state control when there is a clear and obvious need for it.

For example:

a) corporations have no personal responsibility, the EPA and all their evil gubbmint power is MANDATORY....to get the fuckers to clean their shit up otherwise they will poison everyone's water/food supply and not give 1 fuck as long as it improves their bottom line to do so.

b) Healthcare....private industry has and continues to fail on a MASSAIVE scale to provide BASIC HC services to the general population. We need a gov. program where private companies don't get a say so or seat at the table.

3) I call for less federal/state control when it's clear there is no bidnizz for the state to be there.

For example:

a) Marriage....it's the states job to take my money and file my paperwork, not dictate who I can and cannot enter a legal/financial contract with, because that's what the fuck marriage is, a business contract. Not a religious right reserved for evangelical Christians only....contrary to popular republican/conservative beliefs anyhow.

b) A persons body....consumption, abortion, sex activities between consenting adults, even assisted suicide, none of the governments business. Contrary to popular republican/conservative belief of course :D

See I don't buy into the hard line partisan talking heads and all their bullshit.....tell us again how Obama might take dictatorial control over the US and is coming for you guns with the same Kenyan moozlem ninjas he sent to kill grandma with....:D I've seen you suggest it's going to happen more than once.

BTW I can go on and on and the fuck on for DAYS with examples of "people like you" absolutely LOVING huge big gubbmint micromanaging the fuckin' piss out of people right down to their genitals, who/what they can do with them, how and even for what reasons. NOBODY likes to micromanage a dick/pussy like a Evangelical Christian Neo/TheoCon.....nobody, not even the Irish Catholics.

Can you name a SINGLE piece of LW legislation that tries to tell people what they can and cannot do with their genitals in private or with another consenting adult?:confused:
 
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And why did the Irish vote yes?

- Tired of being the Taliban* (limited education, poor and religulous) of Western Europe?
- Happily entering this century?
- Being really, really tired of the behavior of the RCC, including widespread abuse of children, slavery, thousands of dead children and double standards?


Maybe they have realized, that if this is "being good", it is time to be "bad" and let people live their lives as long as no-one is harmed by it?

Any other organization with the track record of the RCC would have been abolished by law a long time ago.





*Isn't it funny, that if you are dumb and poor, you are very likely to be religiously devout. As the economy and educational level of the Irish improved, the RCC lost power.
This is why the Taliban, Boko Haram and equally charming people blow up schools and kill teachers.
 
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Aglaopheme said:
I was joking......and we're not "normal". At least a whoooole lot less "normal" than being homosexual if one is talking numbers.
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I was joking too, poophead...evidently that doesn't translate to Lit unless you use the :D emoji.

Also, I'm not familiar with the realistic numbers of either homosexuality or red hair, so I'm just going with the "depends on whom you ask" total.
 
A thread-killer, for sure. Oh, well, the thread's useful life was about ended, anyway.
 
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