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Old 12-12-2015, 01:38 PM   #1
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Masculinity, what's the best kind?

What in hell do you mean when you talk about masculinity?

Two of my sons in law cant change a car tire.

My monster cock black son in law, the one who's 6-5, that one, cant lift a garage door. Cant change a car tire.
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Old 12-12-2015, 01:43 PM   #2
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Ask ten people get ten definitions. I don't give it much thought. To me not being able to change a tire is being impractical not unmanly, as for physical strength? I don't think one man is more manly than the next based on weight lifting.

This shows me I have never really given it any thought. I think being a good father/husband/provider, being a responsible stand up guy, is masculine, but that would be my take.

Pumping the gas in the rain while your girl sits in the car is masculine.

I say that because all I see now is young guys sitting in the passenger seat while their girlfriend drives(because its her car, they don't even have one) and she gets out and pumps the gas while they play with their phones like pansies.

So okay, there's an example from me.
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Old 12-12-2015, 01:48 PM   #3
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Masculinity more or less equals male but after that all bets are off as the range is as broad as humanity.

As for the best kind, that depends on context.
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Most of the world disagrees with you guys. Most cultures have male rites of passage.
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Old 12-12-2015, 01:57 PM   #5
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Most of the world disagrees with you guys. Most cultures have male rites of passage.
What's the current male rite of passage, how fast you can text? I sound like a 'back in the day' type's saying this, but wow are the boys coming up these days soft and useless.
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Most of the world disagrees with you guys. Most cultures have male rites of passage.
I think you need to take a look outside. About the only ones left are tribes in Africa and in the Amazon jungles. Oh, yeah and Borneo.
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I think you need to take a look outside. About the only ones left are tribes in Africa and in the Amazon jungles. Oh, yeah and Borneo.
Not true there's still some 'rites of passage' going on in inner cities with gangs.
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I think that masculinity and femininity define each other. They are complimentary characteristics. Think of what is feminine, and then masculine is something else -- not opposite, but complimentary.

Masculine normally means larger than a woman, stronger than a woman and capable of impregnating a woman. Traditionally men were thought to be more aggressive than women, but I'm not sure that's true any more.

Visually a masculine form is V-shaped, wide at the shoulders and narrow at the hips. A feminine form is narrow at the waist and wide at the hips. Both genders tend to get away from those forms as we get older.
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Most of the world disagrees with you guys. Most cultures have male rites of passage.
I did a quick google search and couldn't find any real male rites of passage for industrialized cultures. Just primitive cultures. So "most cultures" doesn't seem to fly.

Basing masculinity on tire changing or anything of the sort is silly at best in a culture where physical strength is often irrelevant. BTW, your local tire shop jams the lug nuts on with impact wrenches set so high Superman would need a breaker bar to loosen them.

With the lines delineating capability blurring between the sexes, your search is going to become even more difficult.

The military long ago opened up most jobs, and recently opened all combat MOSs for anyone qualified, man or woman. No joy there looking for classic masculinity.

Police and fire departments, the same.

Turns out LC's "soft and useless" boys, if they are experienced gamers, make excellent fighter pilots and especially drone pilots in the high tech military.

Looks to me like TxRad has the only meaningful description of masculinity in the modern age.

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A man:
Has the learned skills and will to earn a iiving.
Has the will to do the unpleasant, dirty jobs.
Has the will to stand up to those who want to force themselves on other people.
Pays his debts.
Does not forget his promises.
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Not true there's still some 'rites of passage' going on in inner cities with gangs.
Not exactly advanced cultures. More like the cultures TxRad described. It would be difficult to extrapolate gang rites of passage to American culture as a whole, whatever that is these days.

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Not exactly advanced cultures. More like the cultures TxRad described. It would be difficult to extrapolate gang rites of passage to American culture as a whole, whatever that is these days.

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I didn't claim they were civilized, but they do consider it that. Not a man until you....insert illegal psychotic deed here.
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Turns out LC's "soft and useless" boys, if they are experienced gamers, make excellent fighter pilots and especially drone pilots in the high tech military.
Providing they can pass a physical requiring them to do more than walk from one computer to the next and wouldn't piss their pants at the idea of having to do something their parents or girlfriend can't do for them.

I am talking physically soft, like lazy and....soft. I think I would take my chances in a street fight against a call of duty expert

Also fairly certain that having gone to the range with actual guns I'm a better shot than the house of the dead first person shooting experts. Gaming as a career choice shows us pretty much where we're at these days, that and the NFL has to have an entire play 60 campaign based on trying to get kids off their asses and outside into the real world to play something with other kids, like in person!


Let's face it, evolution eradicates vestigial parts after so many generations, US society will be weebles down the line. Round little legless people with T-rex little arms just long enough to reach keyboards. There will probably toilets installed in the chairs because why lose gaming or net time getting up to go to the bathroom?

Masculine and feminine will soon be determined only by online avatars and at that point half are lying about gender anyway
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Confidence without arrogance.

Care for those weaker than yourself.

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A man:
Has the learned skills and will to earn a iiving.
Has the will to do the unpleasant, dirty jobs.
Has the will to stand up to those who want to force themselves on other people.
Pays his debts.
Does not forget his promises.
Treats others with courtesy, without becoming a doormat.
What you have described could also be a woman.

Look at the number of two income families. The woman obviously has the skills and will to earn a living.

Ask any nurse (or parent) about doing unpleasant, dirty jobs.

Ask any woman activist or woman manager about standing up to people.

It's not right to suggest that women don't pay their own debts.

Or that women don't honor promises.

Or treat others with courtesy.

There are examples of men and women who don't fit your description, but none of those are attributes of a man as opposed to a woman.

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Graduations ceremonies are rites of passage. Wedding ceremonies are rites of passage as are Bar and Bas Mitzvahs, sweet sixteen parties, quinceaneros and funerals. We still have lots of them -- any rite or ceremony that marks a change in someone's status is a rite of passage.
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Your's. Whats your idea of masculine? Most porn makes it clear.
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Every porn book spells out masculinity.

To me its obvious. Embrace violence as a means to settle disputes. When a guy is okay with it, he passed the test.
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Let's face it, evolution eradicates vestigial parts after so many generations, US society will be weebles down the line. Round little legless people with T-rex little arms just long enough to reach keyboards. There will probably toilets installed in the chairs because why lose gaming or net time getting up to go to the bathroom?

Masculine and feminine will soon be determined only by online avatars and at that point half are lying about gender anyway
There's no evidence that vestigial parts are eradicated. There's plenty of evidence that they are not if they don't interfere with the organisms ability to survive and reproduce. Our bodies are loaded with vestigial DNA, reptile parts and bird parts.

But point taken. Down the line we will be gun toting weebles so scared of our own shadows we can barely lift the latest "home defense" weaponry. Many in this country are already there waving Trump signs.

Guns are the last thing in the world that should be listed in a definition of masculinity. They are the epitome of cowardice, fear and insecurity.

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There's no evidence that vestigial parts are eradicated. There's plenty of evidence that they are not if they don't interfere with the organisms ability to survive and reproduce. Our bodies are loaded with vestigial DNA, reptile parts and bird parts.

But point taken. Down the line we will be gun toting weebles so scared of our own shadows we can barely lift the latest "home defense" weaponry. Many in this country are already there waving Trump signs.

Guns are the last thing in the world that should be listed in a definition of masculinity. They are the epitome of cowardice, fear and insecurity.

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Nobody walking around without a power wrench can unscrew tire bolts these days to change a tire.
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I can.
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