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What was it about this sentence that you didn't understand?

"Instead of paying $400 a month for healthcare you pay $400 a month for taxes. What's the difference?"

What was it about the other poster that mentioned the medical cost per individual is less than HALF what you idiots pay?

US spends $10,224 on healthcare per head of population
UK spends $4,246
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What is it about getting your medical care and not a financial threatening bill along with it that you don't understand.

When is the last time you sent your kid to school and got a bill for 250,000?

Is your mind closed? It appears so!
 
gunthernehmen said:
Medicare and Medicaid pay far less than private insurance companies for the same product. Consequently many doctors refuse to take on Medicaid patients and I assume Medicare as well.

I suppose if ALL patients are on single payer then they'll have the choice of accepting them or not having any patients but that effectively turns all doctors into indentured servants paid " according to their needs".

That will cause A FAST reduction in the number of skilled medical providers. They'll simply find other work.

Just watch.
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My doctors all take Medicare, but it's not 100% coverage, you need to have a supplemental plan. SO if they try doing this Medicare for all , WILL! they cover all medical? I just LOVE! how these ignorant news media reporter, and Democrats don't tell you a damn thing, about how they even THINK! this will work.
 
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cuck72 said:
My doctors all take Medicare, but it's not 100% coverage, you need to have a supplemental plan. SO if they try doing this Medicare for all , WILL! they cover all medical? I just LOVE! how these ignorant news media reporter, and Democrats don't tell you a damn thing, about how they even THINK! this will work.
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Well obviously we have to pass it to know what it in it.

And btw any"insurance" provided by the government will come with strings and requirements.

Regardless of gordo's "feelings" on the matter, doctors are not slaves and WILL find work that pays them commensurately with their skills and interests. This is AMERICA, not CANADA and the people here are free to do as they wish.

Willing to bet those govt payroll doctors are free to quit if they choose to. I guess they've just been brainwashed.
 
gunthernehmen said:
Well obviously we have to pass it to know what it in it.

And btw any"insurance" provided by the government will come with strings and requirements.

Regardless of gordo's "feelings" on the matter, doctors are not slaves and WILL find work that pays them commensurately with their skills and interests. This is AMERICA, not CANADA and the people here are free to do as they wish.

Willing to bet those govt payroll doctors are free to quit if they choose to. I guess they've just been brainwashed.
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Yes, there will be a mess to sort out.
 
gordo12 said:
What a bunch of fools.

Instead of paying $400 a month for healthcare you pay $400 a month for taxes. What's the difference?

Why is it you think it's alright for some over-educated fool to hold your life in their hands if you don't or can't pay them enough money :confused:

Since when is it alright for some doctor to give or withhold services according to how many millions they want to make?

Since when is it alright for you to work all your life to have some asshole take you for every penny you've saved because you got sick? Conman? Theft? Blackmail?

Why is it OK for children or your loved ones to die because some doctor wants to make as much as traffic will bear?

Your taxes helped pay for their education and now they hold you hostage for their knowledge? Let you die because you can't pay them enough?

In Canada the doctors work for the Gov. It negotiates salaries and benefits. Instead of some overpriced asshole out on the golf course refusing to come in for less than $$$$$$ doctors are paid a fixed price for every service. One that is far more economical than what you pay. Nobody gets a $80 bill for an aspirin. Or a $250,000 bill for surgery.

There is no such thing as a MEDICAL BANKRUPTCY IN CANADA.

You pay taxes and the gov builds schools. You pay taxes and the gov builds roads, water, sewage and a host of other services YOU USE EVERYDAY.

Why is medical any different?

Two years ago I had an attack. Still not sure what it was but they suspected the heart at first. I was admitted instantly, spent 6 hours getting every test you can imagine with doctors, nurses all looking after me.

My cost.....$7 for parking and truthfully my wife paid that.

At 66 years old I've grown up with our medical services looked after. I've never had to worry about anything. Ever!
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Since when is it ok to require a free person (not counting slaves in this, obviously) to pay their way through around 15 years of school and training (that's AFTER High School of course) on their own dime and then work for a wage that you, Gordo, feel is fair?

Did YOU spend near 30 years in school, all told, before you could lawfully ply your trade?

In America, we are not slaves that can be forced to go the bidding of the government. Or at least, not yet we aren't. Headed that way, I guess, if that whacko Alexandria is any sign of the times.
 
gunthernehmen said:
Since when is it ok to require a free person (not counting slaves in this, obviously) to pay their way through around 15 years of school and training (that's AFTER High School of course) on their own dime and then work for a wage that you, Gordo, feel is fair?

Did YOU spend near 30 years in school, all told, before you could lawfully ply your trade?

In America, we are not slaves that can be forced to go the bidding of the government. Or at least, not yet we aren't. Headed that way, I guess, if that whacko Alexandria is any sign of the times.
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That's what employers do - they pay what they think is fair. If you work for someone else instead of yourself, you get paid what the employer thinks is reasonable.

In Canada, doctors know they are likely to working for the state and know exactly what they will be paid. If they don't like the pay and conditions they can take their skills to another country which might pay better.
 
cuck72 said:
She even wants to get rid of all standard Health insurance that people have.
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You do realize that according the right wing Heritage Foundation countries socialized medicine are more free than the United States, right?

The UK, Canada, and Australia are all above the U.S. They've got this nifty new feature where you can compare two countries. So let's compare the U.S. and Canada on tax burden. Look at the massive jump the U.S. took when it's taxes got lower thanks to Trump. But wait a second Canada was already there and they have socialized medicine! How can this be?!?! Look at how the UK gets ranked. Not much below the U.S., in fact, they were even until Trump's tax cut. And the UK has socialized medicine!

The point is that the U.S. is spending an insane amount of money on healthcare and getting worse results.
 
oggbashan said:
In Canada, doctors know they are likely to working for the state and know exactly what they will be paid. If they don't like the pay and conditions they can take their skills to another country which might pay better.
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Exactly. and doctors don't study for 30 years. They study for 7.

Their schooling for many years is paid by YOU, the taxpayer and many universities are partially funded by taxpayers.

Everybody works for someone so why can't a plumber charge 2mill a year. Why not an electrician. Do you work in an office for a salary.

And if the cost is the same why not cover everyone and no one ever suffers.

When did you decide to become (slaves) cheerleaders for the overpaid doctors. :confused:

You keep spewing rhetoric and refuse to listen to people with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Show me one post from someone in a country with gov medical that wants out and into your system? Maybe a clue there for you mindless morons.
 
gordo12 said:
Exactly. and doctors don't study for 30 years. They study for 7.

Their schooling for many years is paid by YOU, the taxpayer and many universities are partially funded by taxpayers.

Everybody works for someone so why can't a plumber charge 2mill a year. Why not an electrician. Do you work in an office for a salary.

And if the cost is the same why not cover everyone and no one ever suffers.

When did you decide to become (slaves) cheerleaders for the overpaid doctors. :confused:

You keep spewing rhetoric and refuse to listen to people with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Show me one post from someone in a country with gov medical that wants out and into your system? Maybe a clue there for you mindless morons.
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12 tears in primary education. 8 years in college and med school. 3 to 7 years residency BEFORE they can practice independently. So, around 30 years...

The doc that spends perhaps $50k - $100k per year on tuition might wonder what kind of hallucinogens you're on.

Tell me why you expect a currently practicing doctor to give up everything he worked for to live off of hands from the government?

Your scheme inevitably degrades or healthcare system until it is no better than the systems in those socialist countries you're so proud of.

No.

This is a capitalist economy, not communist.

From each according to their obligations. To each according to their abilities to EARN.


Oh, by the way, I do know two plumbers. One does "fine". The other DOES make around $2m a year.
 
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gordo12 said:
Exactly. and doctors don't study for 30 years. They study for 7.

Their schooling for many years is paid by YOU, the taxpayer and many universities are partially funded by taxpayers.

Everybody works for someone so why can't a plumber charge 2mill a year. Why not an electrician. Do you work in an office for a salary.

And if the cost is the same why not cover everyone and no one ever suffers.

When did you decide to become (slaves) cheerleaders for the overpaid doctors. :confused:

You keep spewing rhetoric and refuse to listen to people with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Show me one post from someone in a country with gov medical that wants out and into your system? Maybe a clue there for you mindless morons.
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WOW! don't hold back. I would just like to say, I think if I went to Medical school, I think I would have a HUGE BILL! to pay. You said that "their schooling, the Doctor student, right? is paid by WHO?" The doctor don't get free schooling, Right? He pays thousands for his schooling Right? Most of us do pay some form of Taxes, that goes towards lots of things. BUT! I still have to pay my own way too. If I have a great health care plan, and I have to loss it. Because of some pathetic Democrat dumb ass. Then YES! I think I would be a slave, having to do, or in this case, take what ever they give me.
 
dan_c00000 said:
You do realize that according the right wing Heritage Foundation countries socialized medicine are more free than the United States, right?

The UK, Canada, and Australia are all above the U.S. They've got this nifty new feature where you can compare two countries. So let's compare the U.S. and Canada on tax burden. Look at the massive jump the U.S. took when it's taxes got lower thanks to Trump. But wait a second Canada was already there and they have socialized medicine! How can this be?!?! Look at how the UK gets ranked. Not much below the U.S., in fact, they were even until Trump's tax cut. And the UK has socialized medicine!

The point is that the U.S. is spending an insane amount of money on healthcare and getting worse results.
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Thanks for posting that link. If you go to the heat map and tab through the categories, you'll see the US does pretty damned good in comparison to the rest of the world in all categories except govt spending and fiscal health.

So CLEARLY the best way to fix that is to add $3.5T in NEW government spending each year.

Think again. Or for that matter think AT ALL.
 
cuck72 said:
WOW! don't hold back..
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Difficult to hold back in the face of blatant stupidity. Not one of you ranters has ever experienced what you apparently know so much about. Your ignorance is appalling!

We do. We've lived it. We understand it.

Our doctors are very well paid. If they need to leave the country because Money matters well I wouldn't want them anyway.

People before doctors. :rolleyes:

And how many years did you work and save before some guy with a somewhat better education raped your finances and left you and your family out on the street?

10 years
20 years
30 years
All your life?

Guy on the street points a gun at your head. Give me everything you own or I'll kill you. Blatantly illegal.

Guy in an office sits there and says: give me everything you own or I'll let you die. perfectly legal and apparently attracts moronic cheerleaders.

Give your heads a shake.

Here it is. Straight from Wharton University in Pennsylvania. I believe the last time I checked Pennsylvania is in the US right?


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For many critics of U.S. health care, the Canadian system of universal health care has long been viewed as an alternative, superior model for the U.S. to follow. Canada’s single-payer system is mostly publicly funded, while the U.S. has a multi-payer, heavily private system. While dissatisfaction with the U.S. health care system is widespread among Americans, Canada’s health care system enjoys high levels of satisfaction among its own population.

Much of the appeal of the Canadian system comes from the fact that it seems to do more for less. Canada provides universal access to health care for its citizens, while nearly one in five non-elderly Americans is uninsured. In Canada, coverage is not tied to your job or dependent on your income; rich and poor are in the same system, and enjoy equal access. Yet last year, Canada spent far less of its GDP on health care than did the U.S. — 10.4% compared with 17.8% in the U.S. — which was the highest percentage of any nation in the world, according to the World Health Organization. For all that, Canada scored better than the U.S. on two commonly cited health outcome measures — infant mortality and life expectancy.



You can yap all you want but everyone of you is dead wrong!
 
Harris isn't sincere, and just going with the currency of the day. She put half the country in prison!

But I'm all in favor for health CARE for all..

When opponents tell me how they fund TRILLIONS for illegal wars, then I might entertain the silly "How will we pay for it" question.. I've lived in other countries, and their system worked great, even for someone like me whose country had no reciprocity - I was treated no charge.... Once in Hawaii, I had hives, and was charged $2,000+ to tell me what I already know (of course, I didn't pay it, but still).
 
dan_c00000 said:
You do realize that according the right wing Heritage Foundation countries socialized medicine are more free than the United States, right?

The UK, Canada, and Australia are all above the U.S. They've got this nifty new feature where you can compare two countries. So let's compare the U.S. and Canada on tax burden. Look at the massive jump the U.S. took when it's taxes got lower thanks to Trump. But wait a second Canada was already there and they have socialized medicine! How can this be?!?! Look at how the UK gets ranked. Not much below the U.S., in fact, they were even until Trump's tax cut. And the UK has socialized medicine!

The point is that the U.S. is spending an insane amount of money on healthcare and getting worse results.
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HUMMMMMM, you do know that the US has a much larger population, I'd bet more then Canada, Australia, and the UK, all together. and that on average our health care per person is like $10,000 annually. I don't want to be forced to take a stupid health care plan from our Government that's that. I like what I have. Let our government offer a plan to me and others. But don't tell me your taking away our private health care BULL SHIT!!

And if our Taxes are so much higher, you think they will go down with a multi-TRILLION Dollar health plan? And I also heard from some people that lived in the UK, that they said one reason they moved from there was because the Taxes were very high. Maybe they were wrong, I don't know.
 
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cuck72 said:
HUMMMMMM, you do know that the US has a much larger population, I'd bet more then Canada, Australia, and the UK, all together. and that on average our health care per person is like $10,000 annually. I don't want to be forced to take a stupid health care plan from our Government that's that. I like what I have. Let our government offer a plan to me and others. But don't tell me your taking away our private health care BULL SHIT!!

And if our Taxes are so much higher, you think they will go down with a multi-TRILLION Dollar health plan? And I also heard from some people that lived in the UK, that they said one reason they moved from there was because the Taxes were very high. Maybe they were wrong, I don't know.
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You are confusing size of population with spend per head. Almost every universal health care system spends less per head than the US currently does. Add all European universal health care systems together and you get close to US overall population but at a far lower cost.

UK taxes were high under past Labour governments for high earners. They aren't now. Taxes in the UK are similar to US levels but our Inland Revenue's (the equivalent of the IRS) tax returns are nowhere near as complicated as the US tax code. We haven't got a tax code with special treatments to suit lobbyists.

If the US politicians can only come up with health proposals that are vastly expensive that is their failure, perhaps because they have been bought by Big Pharma , the Medical Insurance companies and the Doctors' representatives.
 
gordo12 said:
Difficult to hold back in the face of blatant stupidity. Not one of you ranters has ever experienced what you apparently know so much about. Your ignorance is appalling!

We do. We've lived it. We understand it.

Our doctors are very well paid. If they need to leave the country because Money matters well I wouldn't want them anyway.

People before doctors. :rolleyes:

And how many years did you work and save before some guy with a somewhat better education raped your finances and left you and your family out on the street?

10 years
20 years
30 years
All your life?

Guy on the street points a gun at your head. Give me everything you own or I'll kill you. Blatantly illegal.

Guy in an office sits there and says: give me everything you own or I'll let you die. perfectly legal and apparently attracts moronic cheerleaders.

Give your heads a shake.

Here it is. Straight from Wharton University in Pennsylvania. I believe the last time I checked Pennsylvania is in the US right?


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For many critics of U.S. health care, the Canadian system of universal health care has long been viewed as an alternative, superior model for the U.S. to follow. Canada’s single-payer system is mostly publicly funded, while the U.S. has a multi-payer, heavily private system. While dissatisfaction with the U.S. health care system is widespread among Americans, Canada’s health care system enjoys high levels of satisfaction among its own population.

Much of the appeal of the Canadian system comes from the fact that it seems to do more for less. Canada provides universal access to health care for its citizens, while nearly one in five non-elderly Americans is uninsured. In Canada, coverage is not tied to your job or dependent on your income; rich and poor are in the same system, and enjoy equal access. Yet last year, Canada spent far less of its GDP on health care than did the U.S. — 10.4% compared with 17.8% in the U.S. — which was the highest percentage of any nation in the world, according to the World Health Organization. For all that, Canada scored better than the U.S. on two commonly cited health outcome measures — infant mortality and life expectancy.



You can yap all you want but everyone of you is dead wrong!
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Spoken like a true communist.

The current US system actually works pretty damned well, even with a few warts (mainly from the Obama Care crap that was forced down the throats of some citizens that couldn't fight back.
 
gunthernehmen said:
Spoken like a true communist.

The current US system actually works pretty damned well, even with a few warts (mainly from the Obama Care crap that was forced down the throats of some citizens that couldn't fight back.
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Yeah, when you got no comeback to the facts, start calling them commies.

You're pathetic. I've seen 10 year old's that could put up a better argument than you. At least they'd research the facts first.
 
gordo12 said:
Difficult to hold back in the face of blatant stupidity. Not one of you ranters has ever experienced what you apparently know so much about. Your ignorance is appalling!

We do. We've lived it. We understand it.

Our doctors are very well paid. If they need to leave the country because Money matters well I wouldn't want them anyway.

People before doctors. :rolleyes:

And how many years did you work and save before some guy with a somewhat better education raped your finances and left you and your family out on the street?

10 years
20 years
30 years
All your life?

Guy on the street points a gun at your head. Give me everything you own or I'll kill you. Blatantly illegal.

Guy in an office sits there and says: give me everything you own or I'll let you die. perfectly legal and apparently attracts moronic cheerleaders.

Give your heads a shake.

Here it is. Straight from Wharton University in Pennsylvania. I believe the last time I checked Pennsylvania is in the US right?


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For many critics of U.S. health care, the Canadian system of universal health care has long been viewed as an alternative, superior model for the U.S. to follow. Canada’s single-payer system is mostly publicly funded, while the U.S. has a multi-payer, heavily private system. While dissatisfaction with the U.S. health care system is widespread among Americans, Canada’s health care system enjoys high levels of satisfaction among its own population.

Much of the appeal of the Canadian system comes from the fact that it seems to do more for less. Canada provides universal access to health care for its citizens, while nearly one in five non-elderly Americans is uninsured. In Canada, coverage is not tied to your job or dependent on your income; rich and poor are in the same system, and enjoy equal access. Yet last year, Canada spent far less of its GDP on health care than did the U.S. — 10.4% compared with 17.8% in the U.S. — which was the highest percentage of any nation in the world, according to the World Health Organization. For all that, Canada scored better than the U.S. on two commonly cited health outcome measures — infant mortality and life expectancy.



You can yap all you want but everyone of you is dead wrong!
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Is this GDP based on per- person or as a whole? I'm sure our US health care, is probably at least 100 times what Canada has to pay out. How does Canada's Government pay for such a great cheap Health care for their people? I'm not sure how this works. They Just talk here about it costing TRILLIONS to cover the 350 Million people with this Medicare for all. People here feel it will cost each person a lot in Taxes to pay for it. And nobody talks anything about what kind of coverage 100% 80%. And about deductibles. Do the people pay for their health care insurance in Canada? And how much? How much more in Taxes? I'm guessing the people have to be paying something for it, in Taxes and maybe a weekly or monthly cost?
 
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I haven't read every post in detail, but I'm sort of puzzled as to how the OP doesn't get how this works.

It's like something you pay tax for in the US - let's say roads. You pay taxes, you expect there to be roads to drive down, and you expect them to be maintained to a driveable standard, keeping up with the latest road technology, making them progressive safer where possible, etc etc. Some other people may drive down those roads more than you, wearing them out a bit more, but even though those other people pay the same tax as you, or maybe even less, that's all OK, because there's a road there when you need. (I know, petrol tax and a few other things play a part here, but let's keep that out of the equation for now.)
In a few places, there's a slightly better road that you can choose to use, but you have to pay a toll for it. It gets you to the same place, but maybe a bit faster, or with nicer scenery or whatever.

It's the same with healthcare. We pay taxes, a fair whack of that goes into healthcare, and when we use the healthcare, we're covered. The standard is pretty good, because any government has an investment in keeping the voting population happy, and maintaining a good standard of healthcare is a good way of doing that. It's also not (very) profit driven, which tends to be a good thing in a healthcare system. The system doesn't leave you to die if you're a 'bad investment' - I've seen some astounding measures taken in situations that were pretty much hopeless. The only time that sort of think kicks in is for elective surgeries - my breast reduction wouldn't have happened if my BMI had been higher or I'd smoked, because those things lessen the chances of an easy recovery, but my breasts weren't exactly life-threatening. My surgery was done by one of the top plastic surgeons in the country - health professionals were universally impressed when I told them who had done it.
You can choose to pay for health insurance as well, which would give you access to shorter waiting lists or shinier clinics, but you'd get treated for what ails you either way.
You can choose to go private and just pay for stuff yourself (again, shorter lists and shinier hospitals) - I could have done that.

I don't know why you think a state-funded system wouldn't provide 100% coverage? Yes, the US has more people, but that would result in more tax generation. Approximately 17% of government tax expenditure here is on health. I don't know how that compares to the US, but if you look at what you pay in tax, and think about 17% of that, how does that compare to what you're paying in health insurance? (That's an astoundingly rough calculation, but you get my point ... maybe?)
 
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Teacher: "class who can tell me what happens if I stop paying $400 iin medical premiums to an insurance company and pay $200 in taxes instead."

Little Tommy: "I know, I know teacher," waving his hand wildly.

Teacher: "Tommy?"

Little Tommy: "I cut my expenses for medical care in half. And get free treatments." he announces proudly.

Teacher: "That's absolutely right Tommy. How would you like to go on a national tour and explain that simple fact to all the morons that don't get it? Most of them are Republicans."

Little Tommy Frowns: "Republicans??? You can't teach those guys nuthin about math. They ain't got enough toes to count!"

Teacher: "You're a very smart little boy Tommy!" Picks up her phone, "Sorry sir, maybe try the grade 3 class for a volunteer, the grade fours are too smart to waste their time." :rolleyes:
 
gordo12 said:
Yeah, when you got no comeback to the facts, start calling them commies.

You're pathetic. I've seen 10 year old's that could put up a better argument than you. At least they'd research the facts first.
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You're a joke.

You started your pay saying we're all ignorant.

Your padded it with a couple of fairy tales about muggings that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.

And finally you provided a quote that summed up, said nobody likes their healthcare in the US and we all want something better so let's go Canadian.

And your expected a serious response? Have you been drinking?
 
KimGordon67 said:
I haven't read every post in detail, but I'm sort of puzzled as to how the OP doesn't get how this works.

It's like something you pay tax for in the US - let's say roads. You pay taxes, you expect there to be roads to drive down, and you expect them to be maintained to a driveable standard, keeping up with the latest road technology, making them progressive safer where possible, etc etc. Some other people may drive down those roads more than you, wearing them out a bit more, but even though those other people pay the same tax as you, or maybe even less, that's all OK, because there's a road there when you need. (I know, petrol tax and a few other things play a part here, but let's keep that out of the equation for now.)
In a few places, there's a slightly better road that you can choose to use, but you have to pay a toll for it. It gets you to the same place, but maybe a bit faster, or with nicer scenery or whatever.

It's the same with healthcare. We pay taxes, a fair whack of that goes into healthcare, and when we use the healthcare, we're covered. The standard is pretty good, because any government has an investment in keeping the voting population happy, and maintaining a good standard of healthcare is a good way of doing that. It's also not (very) profit driven, which tends to be a good thing in a healthcare system. The system doesn't leave you to die if you're a 'bad investment' - I've seen some astounding measures taken in situations that were pretty much hopeless. The only time that sort of think kicks in is for elective surgeries - my breast reduction wouldn't have happened if my BMI had been higher or I'd smoked, because those things lessen the chances of an easy recovery, but my breasts weren't exactly life-threatening. My surgery was done by one of the top plastic surgeons in the country - health professionals were universally impressed when I told them who had done it.
You can choose to pay for health insurance as well, which would give you access to shorter waiting lists or shinier clinics, but you'd get treated for what ails you either way.
You can choose to go private and just pay for stuff yourself (again, shorter lists and shinier hospitals) - I could have done that.

I don't know why you think a state-funded system wouldn't provide 100% coverage? Yes, the US has more people, but that would result in more tax generation. Approximately 17% of government tax expenditure here is on health. I don't know how that compares to the US, but if you look at what you pay in tax, and think about 17% of that, how does that compare to what you're paying in health insurance? (That's an astoundingly rough calculation, but you get my point ... maybe?)
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With all due respect, we've already made one attempt at this, with Obama Care and it was a resounding failure.

There is a different mix of people with insurance. Be some people that didn't have insurance do now and others that did no longer do.

It's much more expensive now, of course and unless you pay through your nose for the plans the politicians sneeringly call "Cadillac" plans then your stuck on the shit plans that none of the good doctors will accept.

But going all in is supposed to somehow make it work better. And all those docs that spent decades and millions before they could even work, it's ok to tell them, sorry, doc, you have to work for the government stipend now.

And to pay for all this, I suppose all the employees will just increase all the salaries because they no longer have to contribute to health insurance.

It's a fantasy that will never work here. And judging by the horror stories easily found about Canadian or uk citizens waiting months or years for simple procedures that are trivial to take care of here it doesn't sound like it works with as well over there as you imagine it does.
 
gunthernehmen said:
12 tears in primary education. 8 years in college and med school. 3 to 7 years residency BEFORE they can practice independently. So, around 30 years...

The doc that spends perhaps $50k - $100k per year on tuition might wonder what kind of hallucinogens you're on.

Tell me why you expect a currently practicing doctor to give up everything he worked for to live off of hands from the government?

Your scheme inevitably degrades or healthcare system until it is no better than the systems in those socialist countries you're so proud of.

No.

This is a capitalist economy, not communist.

From each according to their obligations. To each according to their abilities to EARN.


Oh, by the way, I do know two plumbers. One does "fine". The other DOES make around $2m a year.
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Doctors continue to be one of the highest paid professions, even under state-funded healthcare.
 
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