Old 05-23-2013, 07:03 PM   #1
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I Coulda Had A V8!

It just dawned on me.

No way in Hell did William Shakespeare write his plays. The vocabulary is too grand for a bumpkin to execute.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:12 PM   #2
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Well..

Some of us bumkins use poor grammars so that we do not make the educated feel as if they have wasted their money.

Plus, big words are the same as regular words, & he had to fit the iambic pantameter rhyme scheme.

...but yeah, I thouht the same thing when reading the Tempest.

And on that note: What asshole translated Homer?
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I saw a scrap of a document from Shakespeare's own time accusing him of rank pretension for having the nerve to stage plays in a London that already had playwrights like Marlowe and Ben Johnson. And him just a lowly glover's son and disreputable actor himself!

On the other hand, how often does someone as talented and revolutionary as Shakespeare come out of the established order? Try reading Marlowe today. It's like a literary cinnamon challenge.
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I saw a scrap of a document from Shakespeare's own time accusing him of rank pretension for having the nerve to stage plays in a London that already had playwrights like Marlowe and Ben Johnson. And him just a lowly glover's son and disreputable actor himself!

On the other hand, how often does someone as talented and revolutionary as Shakespeare come out of the established order? Try reading Marlowe today. It's like a literary cinnamon challenge.
I question the sublime wisdom hidden in his tales. Romeo & Juliet is some industrial strength stuff.
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It just dawned on me.

No way in Hell did William Shakespeare write his plays. The vocabulary is too grand for a bumpkin to execute.
Well, I'm country-style, and I says we're pretty damned smart.

Ma' double-barrel says I'm right...

More specifically, no particular trait makes someone capable or not, of any given ability.

And, in contradiction, Shakespeare's plays weren't exactly the way thy were written, per se. Once they performed a play, the pages were often thrown away. The written versions were taken down later, from memory of the actors who portrayed the characters. No telling what changed in there.

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Well, I'm country-style, and I says we're pretty damned smart.

Ma' double-barrel says I'm right...

More specifically, no particular trait makes someone capable or not, of any given ability.

And, in contradiction, Shakespeare's plays weren't exactly the way thy were written, per se. Once they performed a play, the pages were often thrown away. The written versions were taken down later, from memory of the actors who portrayed the characters. No telling what changed in there.

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Ummm I aint bettin my farm on no dude from the sticks. I mean, Lincolns come along, but the Real Shakespeare was likely someone with better schooling, well traveled, and experienced in the ways of the mighty.
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I'd like someone to define COUNTRY-STYLE one of these days. I think it means, I WASTE LOTSA MONEY ON CRAP, RENT A TRAILER BY THE WEEK, AND FUCK MY SISTER. Drinkin is about all country boys know how to do.
There was literally nothing to that. I can't even see a second stereotype piled on the first one. Us country-style folk, we step in horseshit more valuable than any of what was written above. I'm hoping this was sarcasm or some other bad attempt at humor.

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Ummm I aint bettin my farm on no dude from the sticks. I mean, Lincolns come along, but the Real Shakespeare was likely someone with better schooling, well traveled, and experienced in the ways of the mighty.
The founders of the US were almost all farmers. Sounds pretty country to me. Currently, the US government is comprised of approximately 500 people who no doubt have better schooling and are better traveled and experienced in the ways of the mighty, and they're struggling to finish the book they started three years ago. The Idiots Guide to Picking Your Own Nose.

If they work in teams I doubt they'll get past Chapter Four.

I figure one of three things instituted your response:

1. That humor that was poorly executed, as mentioned above.

2. You're the real Wilford Brimley and your brain is losing the battle with Dia-Beetus.

3. You're clueless.

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There was literally nothing to that. I can't even see a second stereotype piled on the first one. Us country-style folk, we step in horseshit more valuable than any of what was written above. I'm hoping this was sarcasm or some other bad attempt at humor.



The founders of the US were almost all farmers. Sounds pretty country to me. Currently, the US government is comprised of approximately 500 people who no doubt have better schooling and are better traveled and experienced in the ways of the mighty, and they're struggling to finish the book they started three years ago. The Idiots Guide to Picking Your Own Nose.

If they work in teams I doubt they'll get past Chapter Four.

I figure one of three things instituted your response:

1. That humor that was poorly executed, as mentioned above.

2. You're the real Wilford Brimley and your brain is losing the battle with Dia-Beetus.

3. You're clueless.

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Romeo & Juliet pisses the crap out of me. Romeo's a dumb-ass loser. He's in love with some chick; wait, he's in love with Julie and willing to die for her.

What Juliet sees in him, I'll never know.

Now MacBeth, that's some good stuff. The line where MacDuff reacts to finding his family has been murdered. Kills me every freaking time.

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Did you say all? O hell-kite! All?
What, all my pretty chickens and their dam
At one fell swoop?"

Fuck.
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And Hamlet. Sure, he's demented, but who wouldn't be. That is some serious genius.

Of course John McWhorter argues that Shakespeare should be rendered into modern English. (No spear throwing in my direction, please. It's just something to think about.)

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/john...st-wilsons-co#

I think he's got a point, but if someone ever changes this up, I can't be responsible for my actions:

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Romeo & Juliet pisses the crap out of me. Romeo's a dumb-ass loser. He's in love with some chick; wait, he's in love with Julie and willing to die for her.

What Juliet sees in him, I'll never know.

Now MacBeth, that's some good stuff. The line where MacDuff reacts to finding his family has been murdered. Kills me every freaking time.

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Did you say all? O hell-kite! All?
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Fuck.
Romeo & Juliet is the antithesis of IT TAKES A VILLAGE (to raise a child). Romeo & Juliet is what you get when the village raises your kid.
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Romeo & Juliet is the antithesis of IT TAKES A VILLAGE (to raise a child). Romeo & Juliet is what you get when the village raises your kid.
Like a lot of plays of the time, R&J was a commentary. Shakespeare was basically telling the audience, "this is what happens when you try to control your kids."

Better to let them fuck around and fuck up than shoot themselves in the head, I guess . . . .
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Like a lot of plays of the time, R&J was a commentary. Shakespeare was basically telling the audience, "this is what happens when you try to control your kids."

Better to let them fuck around and fuck up than shoot themselves in the head, I guess . . . .
And it happens every day, every where across America.
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And it happens every day, every where across America.
I wonder if playwrights of the Renaissance era felt a weird sort of obligation to be the Dr. Phil of their era, to dispense a sort of common psychological wisdom to the masses. I guess that would account for some of the "hearth wisdom" tidbits of insight they provide, while being no more accurate or profound than two gossiping ladies talking across the fence.
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I wonder if playwrights of the Renaissance era felt a weird sort of obligation to be the Dr. Phil of their era, to dispense a sort of common psychological wisdom to the masses. I guess that would account for some of the "hearth wisdom" tidbits of insight they provide, while being no more accurate or profound than two gossiping ladies talking across the fence.
What stuns me is that 'Shakespeare' grasped the human condition so well; I cant name anyone, with a wall fulla degrees, who knows a tenth as much. Its why I doubt Will as the real author. You can take any of his plays, costume them in modern garb, and have the same sublime truth.
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But Romeo and Juliet isn't taught or thought of as a lesson in child-rearing. It's a "lurrrrv" story. Pardon me while I go get a bucket.
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The meaning of anything is the result you get. Consequently what happens is the measure of the experience NOT what anyone says it is. The results define it.
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I'd like someone to define COUNTRY-STYLE one of these days. I think it means, I WASTE LOTSA MONEY ON CRAP, RENT A TRAILER BY THE WEEK, AND FUCK MY SISTER. Drinkin is about all country boys know how to do.

Ummm I aint bettin my farm on no dude from the sticks. I mean, Lincolns come along, but the Real Shakespeare was likely someone with better schooling, well traveled, and experienced in the ways of the mighty.
Shakespeare grew up half a mile from a free grammar school taught by Oxford grads; as the son of an alderman he would have been allowed to study there. There doesn't seem to be any direct evidence either way on whether he actually did, but it's not much of a stretch to suppose that's where he learned the classics.
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Shakespeare grew up half a mile from a free grammar school taught by Oxford grads; as the son of an alderman he would have been allowed to study there. There doesn't seem to be any direct evidence either way on whether he actually did, but it's not much of a stretch to suppose that's where he learned the classics.
To my way of thinking attributing all of Shakespeare's works to Shakespeare is about as plausible as attributing all of scientific discovery since 1600 to your local pharmacist.
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