It Must Be Me.

colddiesel said:

If a future archaologist digs up the Lit 'most read' stories list he will conclude, firstly that 21st century writers were barely literate, and secondly, that it was a 21st century societal norm to screw your mother.

Look at the 'top 50' stories - all jerk off material, not literature at all. And they were never intended to be anything but wanking fodder.

The highest rating list is much the same - again not a criticism but a fact.

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You're not wrong.

Fun facts about PeeWee's Playhouse...

CBS specifically asked him NOT to:
1. walk out of the bathroom with toilet paper stuck to his shoe
2. stick pencils into potatoes
3. utter the phrase, "I'll show you mine if you show me yours".

And PeeWee, of course, did all of those things.

Lawrence Fishburne got his start on the show playing Cowboy Curtis; Phil Hartman, later of SNL, played Captain Carl.

I didn't find Pee Wee's Playhouse or the Banana Splits to be nearly as terrifying as H. R. Pufnstuf. Or The Bugaloos.

SamScribble said:

You're not wrong.

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People like to read whatever trips their radar. In the case of erotica, it's the "delicious taboo of what we're not supposed to do" that wins out, regardless of how it is written. That's a pretty sad fact when you consider that most of the popular erotica on this site (and even more sadly, in the current mainstream with 'Fifty Shades of BS') is basically geared toward the scenario, and not the craft. Readers will gloss over how Suzie Q is described sucking off her brother Johnny because they aren't as invested in the wording as they are in the overall situation. Most readers couldn't care less about building the scene, show don't tell, or artful description. They're looking for someone to provide a gonzo escape fantasy.

slyc_willie said:

People like to read whatever trips their radar. In the case of erotica, it's the "delicious taboo of what we're not supposed to do" that wins out, regardless of how it is written. That's a pretty sad fact when you consider that most of the popular erotica on this site (and even more sadly, in the current mainstream with 'Fifty Shades of BS') is basically geared toward the scenario, and not the craft. Readers will gloss over how Suzie Q is described sucking off her brother Johnny because they aren't as invested in the wording as they are in the overall situation. Most readers couldn't care less about building the scene, show don't tell, or artful description. They're looking for someone to provide a gonzo escape fantasy.

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I get the futility of writing for the ages at LIT but there were seasoned pornographers who made successful transitions to popular, main-stream writing, who added a tingle to their craft from the porn. Donald Westlake comes to mind. His porn hints and teases stick in your imagination. We've all been out to dinner with friends and felt a bare foot rub our package or stroke our leg. Or a visitor uses our bathroom and comes out with buttons unfastened. Or she plays with herself when her husband goes to the bathroom.

slyc_willie said:

People like to read whatever trips their radar. In the case of erotica, it's the "delicious taboo of what we're not supposed to do" that wins out, regardless of how it is written. That's a pretty sad fact when you consider that most of the popular erotica on this site (and even more sadly, in the current mainstream with 'Fifty Shades of BS') is basically geared toward the scenario, and not the craft. Readers will gloss over how Suzie Q is described sucking off her brother Johnny because they aren't as invested in the wording as they are in the overall situation. Most readers couldn't care less about building the scene, show don't tell, or artful description. They're looking for someone to provide a gonzo escape fantasy.

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Is that really surprising? It's pretty much what happens with porn flicks too, isn't it? It takes some work to find the gems out here, but they do exist.

slyc_willie said:

People like to read whatever trips their radar. In the case of erotica, it's the "delicious taboo of what we're not supposed to do" that wins out, regardless of how it is written. That's a pretty sad fact when you consider that most of the popular erotica on this site (and even more sadly, in the current mainstream with 'Fifty Shades of BS') is basically geared toward the scenario, and not the craft. Readers will gloss over how Suzie Q is described sucking off her brother Johnny because they aren't as invested in the wording as they are in the overall situation. Most readers couldn't care less about building the scene, show don't tell, or artful description. They're looking for someone to provide a gonzo escape fantasy.

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I don't think "people" read erotica (or anything else) for one reason--either that all people read it for the same reason or that one reader has only one purpose in reading erotica and can't appreciate several forms of it. That's the service Literotica gives--a full range of access for people to read/write what they wish. I think the real problem is in readers and forum posters who want everything targeted just for their specific interests of the moment, don't mind telling others what they should be reading/writing, and aren't big on sharing the space here.

sr71plt said:

I don't think "people" read erotica (or anything else) for one reason--either that all people read it for the same reason or that one reader has only one purpose in reading erotica and can't appreciate several forms of it. That's the service Literotica gives--a full range of access for people to read/write what they wish. I think the real problem is in readers and forum posters who want everything targeted just for their specific interests of the moment, don't mind telling others what they should be reading/writing, and aren't big on sharing the space here.

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You realize you just describes yourself perfectly?

lovecraft68 said:

You realize you just describes yourself perfectly?

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Thanks for sharing your lunacy and you obsessed hatred and stalking and for pulling yet another thread off a substantive discussion yet again.

JAMESBJOHNSON said:

I took a look at stories an AH poster submitted.

The scores are high, far higher than my wares, but theyre uniformly shit. I lost interest within a paragraph or two, the writing cadence makes me think of the theme song to Pee Wee's Playhouse. Theyre larded with adverbs, and people don't talk like the writer's characters.

I didn't ONE SHOT the writer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcYGOIJhqo

AM I WRONG?

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Am I supposed to guess who you're talking about? Because I have no clue.

sr71plt said:

Thanks for sharing your lunacy and you obsessed hatred and stalking and for pulling yet another thread off a substantive discussion yet again.

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I don't think you've used Hatecraft yet today, Pilot. Are you burning up your brain trying to come up with another witty moniker? Just wondering.

AZMotherLover said:

Am I supposed to guess who you're talking about? Because I have no clue.

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I aint saying but guess if you wanna. Save your spite for my essay on personality types and character design.

JAMESBJOHNSON said:

I aint saying but guess if you wanna. Save your spite for my essay on personality types and character design.

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I'm not trying to be spiteful, just trying to figure out who you're jealous of.

If you want higher scores, might I suggest you write a hawt mom/son stroker? Or a daddy/daughter tale?

Swilly said:

I don't think you've used Hatecraft yet today, Pilot. Are you burning up your brain trying to come up with another witty moniker? Just wondering.

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Oh...oh I know!

he could call you "Swiney!" yeah....that's about his level.

Congrats, Hatecraft. This is the third time you've tried to make this thread about me. You want the threads to be about me. You'll ruin any thread you can't make about me. You go, guy.

sr71plt said:

Congrats, Hatecraft. This is the third time you've tried to make this thread about me. You want the threads to be about me. You'll ruin any thread you can't make about me. You go, guy.

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There you go, Pilot. Took you all day. Perhaps dementia is setting in?

AZMotherLover said:

I'm not trying to be spiteful, just trying to figure out who you're jealous of.

If you want higher scores, might I suggest you write a hawt mom/son stroker? Or a daddy/daughter tale?

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There are better stories at other places. I rarely read LIT stories. But when I do I notice that tons of the highest rated tales are as bland as communion wafers. Almost without exception the characters are Barbie and Ken. Its puzzling NOT envy.

JAMESBJOHNSON said:

I get the futility of writing for the ages at LIT but there were seasoned pornographers who made successful transitions to popular, main-stream writing, who added a tingle to their craft from the porn. Donald Westlake comes to mind. His porn hints and teases stick in your imagination. We've all been out to dinner with friends and felt a bare foot rub our package or stroke our leg. Or a visitor uses our bathroom and comes out with buttons unfastened. Or she plays with herself when her husband goes to the bathroom.

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Never read Westlake, but I get the gist of what you're saying. Basically, the tease is better than the rub, so to speak.

Several years ago, I downloaded through a pirate site the 1975 Alice In Wonderland porn movie. If you haven't seen it, you should; it's a gem. Seriously. The film is actually a musical, interspersed with comedic -- and sometimes just plain hot -- sexual scenarios. It's one of the rare examples of how pornographic takes on mainstream fare can be just as good (in its own way) as the original.

Swilly said:

Is that really surprising? It's pretty much what happens with porn flicks too, isn't it? It takes some work to find the gems out here, but they do exist.

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They do. I've become completely disenchanted with what passes for "quality" porn these days. My wife and I bought the porn version of Tomb Raider, going by the reviews on several adult video review sites, and very quickly regretted it after the first few scenes. It's nothing but "gag on my cock, you bitch" gonzo trash.

In contrast, we've found the offerings from Nubiles, X-Art and Sex-Art to be much more our style. They're high quality, and there's practically none of the tired old dominance routine. Just fanciful, romantic, yet also descriptive depictions of sex in which everyone goes away happy.

sr71plt said:

I don't think "people" read erotica (or anything else) for one reason--either that all people read it for the same reason or that one reader has only one purpose in reading erotica and can't appreciate several forms of it. That's the service Literotica gives--a full range of access for people to read/write what they wish. I think the real problem is in readers and forum posters who want everything targeted just for their specific interests of the moment, don't mind telling others what they should be reading/writing, and aren't big on sharing the space here.

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The loudest voices have the smallest minds, I've come to realize. Even after -- jeez, what, over eight years? -- I still log in now and then to see comments posted on my very first story posted here, a LW tale about a man taking revenge on his cheating wife. All I can think when I see most of the comments is, "do they not realize this is just a story? None of the characters depicted have any resemblance to persons living or dead, yada, yada, yada . . ."

I think the majority of readers of Lit come here for a titillating tale that trips their personal raunchy radar, be it "mommy sucks off baby boy" or "I fucked an elf maiden." But the majority don't comment, or even vote. Those come from either the die-hard fans who want to support a favored author, or from mentally deficient trolls who feel a sense of empowerment by posting something long-winded and supposedly biting . . . which can very easily be taken away.

In the end, I don't think either trolls or fans win out. I think the real trial by fire comes from those who read and come back and remain ethereally anonymous, leaving nothing in their wake but a single tick on the "reads" counter of the site.

If a future archaologist digs up the Lit 'most read' stories list he will conclude, firstly that 21st century writers were barely literate…

Look at the 'top 50' stories - …not literature at all

Who is this silly little person? And why is he so jealous of the giants?

I suggest that all Literotican whiney posters revisit two of the sites most read stories and learn what it takes.

slyc_willie said:

The loudest voices have the smallest minds, I've come to realize. Even after -- jeez, what, over eight years? -- I still log in now and then to see comments posted on my very first story posted here, a LW tale about a man taking revenge on his cheating wife. All I can think when I see most of the comments is, "do they not realize this is just a story? None of the characters depicted have any resemblance to persons living or dead, yada, yada, yada . . ."

I think the majority of readers of Lit come here for a titillating tale that trips their personal raunchy radar, be it "mommy sucks off baby boy" or "I fucked an elf maiden." But the majority don't comment, or even vote. Those come from either the die-hard fans who want to support a favored author, or from mentally deficient trolls who feel a sense of empowerment by posting something long-winded and supposedly biting . . . which can very easily be taken away.

In the end, I don't think either trolls or fans win out. I think the real trial by fire comes from those who read and come back and remain ethereally anonymous, leaving nothing in their wake but a single tick on the "reads" counter of the site.

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I think authors here would be much more content with their writing experience if they didn't overexpect what to receive in return from readers. It's not a critique site; it's a reading site--and because of the nature of the site, it's a titillation site for many by right. If those who wanted deeper response than just a flyby read could content themselves if an occasional response that goes deeper than this, they would angst ineffectually so much. Otherwise, they should look at the view count and appreciate that they very likely are getting much more attention with their stories here than they would in posting them anywhere else.

AMoveableBeast said:

Jesus. I forgot how trippy that show was. How did I watch that as a kid? That's some terrifying shit.

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I always figured it was targeted at weed smoking college students.

jomar said:

I always figured it was targeted at weed smoking college students.

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Its a beacon on the rocks.

sr71plt said:

I think authors here would be much more content with their writing experience if they didn't overexpect what to receive in return from readers. It's not a critique site; it's a reading site--and because of the nature of the site, it's a titillation site for many by right. If those who wanted deeper response than just a flyby read could content themselves if an occasional response that goes deeper than this, they would angst ineffectually so much. Otherwise, they should look at the view count and appreciate that they very likely are getting much more attention with their stories here than they would in posting them anywhere else.

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I can't blame any authors on this site for wanting a certain amount of praise and/or critiquing. I think the majority of authors, in fact, desire exactly that, and if they have a thick enough skin will be able to filter through the blabbering of the trolls and find the real, substantive criticism. In fact, it was to satisfy the desire for substantive critiquing that I started FAWC in the first place, and for the most part, it served that need well, if only for the few who joined in.

But I agree that authors on Lit shouldn't expect too much and be happy with what they get, keeping in mind that they receive far more audience attention on this site than on any other.