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This is just a quick question and I'm not judging anyone so keep that in mind.

Is the appeal of the incest theme in erotic stories about the taboo idea that one would never actually do in their own lives, or are people actually interested in performing an incestuous act?

Obviously I'm not asking for people to incriminate themselves. I just don't understand the appeal and the prevalence of incest based stories on here.

The intrigue of taboo topics can only go so far until it potentially becomes something more than that.

Some clarity if you'd be so kind. :)
 
LucidLucifer said:
This is just a quick question and I'm not judging anyone so keep that in mind.

Is the appeal of the incest theme in erotic stories about the taboo idea that one would never actually do in their own lives, or are people actually interested in performing an incestuous act?

Obviously I'm not asking for people to incriminate themselves. I just don't understand the appeal and the prevalence of incest based stories on here.

The intrigue of taboo topics can only go so far until it potentially becomes something more than that.

Some clarity if you'd be so kind. :)
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I would say there is some from each camp. For many its just a hot taboo. For example I enjoy writing mom/son stories and reading them here and there. But I have never once had the thought of doing anything with my mother.

So for me its hot that "a" mom would seduce her son but its not 'personal' for me.

But then you do have some that have lusted for their family members, but would never act on it so the stories are them living vicariously through fiction

Then you have the readers who post that "reminds me of me and my mom/dad/sis/bro" now whether they really did it, or they are blowing smoke, who knows?

So like many things here there is no real right answer.

If you're interested in exploring it more there is an 'incest is best' thread in fetish. Among the "I did mom when I..." eye roller posts, there's some decent thoughts and theories on the fetish.
 
It is a taboo and that has a lot of power in itself. Exploring a taboo can be a thrilling excursus into the forbidden. For most, it remains in the realm of fantasy. Many even would enjoy it but wouldn't want to think of their own family while getting off to incest fantasies -- they are incest voyeurs.

I don't want to write an incest story. Most incest stories on here don't satisfy me as believable. I think an incest story has to bring the incestuous couple together in a believable way. Most incest stories here just scratch the itch by breaching the taboo, and that's what the readers want.

I suppose it's tempting to make a foray into the category, because it's in such demand. I think I would need a very good, watertight story idea to be able to go there.
 
LucidLucifer said:
This is just a quick question and I'm not judging anyone so keep that in mind.

Is the appeal of the incest theme in erotic stories about the taboo idea that one would never actually do in their own lives, or are people actually interested in performing an incestuous act?

Obviously I'm not asking for people to incriminate themselves. I just don't understand the appeal and the prevalence of incest based stories on here.

The intrigue of taboo topics can only go so far until it potentially becomes something more than that.

Some clarity if you'd be so kind. :)
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For most, including its readers, I believe uber taboo of it all is the main appeal. How can you get more taboo than keeping it in your family?

Personally, I don't read incest. Too much of an ick factor. Oddly, I'm okay about writing it, but that took a while. (For more thoughts about that, I would refer you to my short essay, The Allure of Writing about Incest.

There are built in drama elements that make the writing easier.
 
Whatever it is, it isn't just one or two factors across the spectrum of folks reading it.
 
Stories need conflict to be interesting. A lot of the most common fantasies and erotica scenarios--sex with your boss or subordinate, sex behind your partner's back, first-time sex, "ravishment" etc--are scenarios that have conflict built into them, which makes them very potent: They're sexually appealing AND they're naturally conflict-driven, two story goals for the price of one.

Incestuous pairings are probably the most naturally conflict-laden--the most bang for your buck.
 
I write it.

I read it.

I don't do it, nor have I ever had the thought about doing it.
 
TamLin01 said:
Incestuous pairings are probably the most naturally conflict-laden--the most bang for your buck.
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When done right, yes. It drives me crazy to see the tons of "mom's hot, why not" stories here where a relative(pick one) can want their family member because they once saw their tits.

That is the biggest line you could ever cross and there should be conflict, but it seems a huge portion of readership there could care less as long as there is family fucking.

For me, its why I don't write sequels. The big thrill is the first crossing of that line, after that all you have is "Chapter three, this time mom and Billy do it in the pool!"
 
To answer your question, I do think the appeal is to the fantasy only, not for actual incest (ew), except occasionally--apparently there are some who go for that. (But we don't talk about them.)

It's pure fantasy--that's part of the appeal, and it's part of what makes incest so popular as written erotica. It only exists as a written fantasy, really, for the people who like it. It's not like you're going to go do it in real life; fiction is as good as it gets.

Contrary to Pilot, I think that's a big reason why it's so huge in the world of erotica. It's not ONLY because fewer sites allow it. It's because the fantasy and the story go hand in hand.

Yeah, there are probably some lame porn videos of acted incest, but I don't think it's anywhere near as popular as stories where you have to use your imagination to fill in the blanks.

It has something in common with Sci Fi/Fantasy except . . . there's a base in reality (however masked) that makes it its own unique thing.

LucidLucifer said:
This is just a quick question and I'm not judging anyone so keep that in mind.

Is the appeal of the incest theme in erotic stories about the taboo idea that one would never actually do in their own lives, or are people actually interested in performing an incestuous act?

Obviously I'm not asking for people to incriminate themselves. I just don't understand the appeal and the prevalence of incest based stories on here.

The intrigue of taboo topics can only go so far until it potentially becomes something more than that.

Some clarity if you'd be so kind. :)
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incest is a wide spread taboo born back before it was taboo. It happens alot more than people like to think or admit to, both consensual and not but because it is often associated with child abuse it is often unspoken of. That being said the taboo itself makes it a hot fantasy for most if not all.


If you keep up with politics you'll notice a trend leaning to sexual freedom that will make it less of a taboo if it ever passes. There are already three states in america that quietly allow adult relations between relatives without marriage. Some have laws prohibiting incest but don't enforce those laws unless a child is involved. In most places you can have a quite relationship, not have children, and be perfectly free of persecution. The laws are not what they used to be and are constantly being challenged.
 
LucidLucifer said:
This is just a quick question and I'm not judging anyone so keep that in mind.

Is the appeal of the incest theme in erotic stories about the taboo idea that one would never actually do in their own lives, or are people actually interested in performing an incestuous act?

Obviously I'm not asking for people to incriminate themselves. I just don't understand the appeal and the prevalence of incest based stories on here.

The intrigue of taboo topics can only go so far until it potentially becomes something more than that.

Some clarity if you'd be so kind. :)
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I once did unofficial research about women who were survivors of incest. I surveyed more than 2,000 women. I was surprised that about half had been sexually abused by a relative. Even more surprising, men had an even higher percentage.

I'm a survivor of incestuous, sexual abuse from the time I was 5 until 15. Seven men sexually abused me. One was my uncle. I was 5. One was an older cousin. I was 8. My piano teacher from the ages of 8 to 13. My four much older brothers. I was 15. Then, if that wasn't enough, my ex-husband, a bad Boston cop, verbally and physically abused me.

In each encounter, I was groomed. In each encounter it was a person in authority.

I suffered a horrible sense of rage growing up. I would cry myself asleep at night and beat the crap out of girls who didn't like me. I didn't understand. To save myself, I didn't remember any of the incidences. I just forgot them and they disappeared until one day, I was writing a story about a girl who had been sexually abused. When I got to chapter 8, I realized I was writing my story.

Two years of therapy later, here I am writing erotica on a porn board. Go figure.

Incest is okay, whether mother/son/daughter, father/daughter/son, aunt/nephew/niece, uncle/niece/nephew, as long as it's between consenting adults. When children are sexually and incestuously abused, they are damaged beyond repair forever.

The worst thing that any adult can do is to sexually abuse a child. If ever I witnessed such abuse, I'd come to his or her rescue with great vengence.

Many people who write and read here are victims of sexual abuse. I'm proud of what I survived. Many don't make it. Many commit suicide or turn to drugs, alcohol, and/or become sexual abusers themselves. I'm one of the lucky ones.

Yet, whenever I write an incest story, I write real stories, believable stories, stories that really could happen. I write more stories of incestuous love than incestuous sex.

My story, I Love You, Mommy written under my WmForrester name was the most read story in all of 2010. Presently, it's #60 on the all-time most read list with 2 million hits.

Had I not pulled them to publish them in 2007, my stories, Stripping my Mother-in-law Naked, 850,000 hits, and Sex with my Sister-in-law Samantha, 650,000 hits, 8 years later easily would have made the top ten all-time most read stories.

Incest is the biggest draw on this site. Whenever I post an incest story, I receive 200 to 300 e-mails the first two days of the story posting and, as long as they're not nasty, I answer every one of them.

I'm glad there's a forum where we can openly discuss incest and other sexual things.
 
Yep, for some incest is mainly a fantasy to enjoy and pretend at without actually having done any of it. :rolleyes:
 
I liked Spacer X's "Six Times a Day" series, but that is foster mom and not biological mom. I think that's about as far as I can take it. Anything past that just isn't for me.

However I do think the scenario of hot step-mom with teenage step-son can be pretty sexy. But that's a bit far removed from the actual Incest theme.

Thanks for the replies everyone!
 
I disagree with you that a stepmom is far removed from the incest scene.

If a stepmom is living under the same roof and has desires and/or sex with her stepson, the sexual act is not only forbidden but also incestuous. If a stepson is living under the same roof and has desires and/or sex with her stepmother, the sexual act is not only forbidden but also incestuous.

Put yourself in the stepmother's head for a minute. She's thinking about her stepson, the son of her husband. She masturbates herself while thinking of having sex with her stepson.

Old enough to be his mother, she's not a stranger but his stepmom. How dare she think of having sex with her stepson? How dare she flash him her panties in up skirts and her bra and cleavage in down blouses? How dare she parade around him in her bra and panties? How dare she lay out by the pool topless?

Now put yourself in stepson's head. He's thinking about his stepmother naked and having sex with her while he masturbates. He spends his days peeping on her while she's dressing and undressing.

He's even gone as far to flash her his cock. Knowing she'd be bringing up his laundry, knowing that when she knocks on his bedroom door, he won't hear her, he masturbates while wearing headphones. He wants her to catch him cumming.

How dare he think of his stepmother in a sexual way?

Now tell me, how is that far removed from incest? Because they're not blood related? It's not. It's still incestuous.
 
Zeb_Carter said:
I write it.

I read it.

I don't do it, nor have I ever had the thought about doing it.
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same same.

on a side not, i just picked up the following feedback left on PC, which is related [no pun] to the theme of the Op's question:

by Anonymous
10/07/15
sick sad ashole you do not hit a woman .& I did not finish this story. I wonder weather it reflects on the aorther
 
SusanJillParker said:
I disagree with you that a stepmom is far removed from the incest scene.

If a stepmom is living under the same roof and has desires and/or sex with her stepson, the sexual act is not only forbidden but also incestuous. If a stepson is living under the same roof and has desires and/or sex with her stepmother, the sexual act is not only forbidden but also incestuous.

Put yourself in the stepmother's head for a minute. She's thinking about her stepson, the son of her husband. She masturbates herself while thinking of having sex with her stepson.

Old enough to be his mother, she's not a stranger but his stepmom. How dare she think of having sex with her stepson? How dare she flash him her panties in up skirts and her bra and cleavage in down blouses? How dare she parade around him in her bra and panties? How dare she lay out by the pool topless?

Now put yourself in stepson's head. He's thinking about his stepmother naked and having sex with her while he masturbates. He spends his days peeping on her while she's dressing and undressing.

He's even gone as far to flash her his cock. Knowing she'd be bringing up his laundry, knowing that when she knocks on his bedroom door, he won't hear her, he masturbates while wearing headphones. He wants her to catch him cumming.

How dare he think of his stepmother in a sexual way?

Now tell me, how is that far removed from incest? Because they're not blood related? It's not. It's still incestuous.
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I assume you are playing Devil's advocate so I'll propose a more specific scenario inline with what I prefer as far as the step-mom and step-son dynamic.

You have a dad that marries an extremely gorgeous gold-digger, his son is 18-19 years old.
The new step-mom is more interested in enjoying her new status than performing more typical motherly duties.
 
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MrHappy212 said:
incest is a wide spread taboo born back before it was taboo. It happens alot more than people like to think or admit to, both consensual and not but because it is often associated with child abuse it is often unspoken of. That being said the taboo itself makes it a hot fantasy for most if not all.


If you keep up with politics you'll notice a trend leaning to sexual freedom that will make it less of a taboo if it ever passes. There are already three states in america that quietly allow adult relations between relatives without marriage. Some have laws prohibiting incest but don't enforce those laws unless a child is involved. In most places you can have a quite relationship, not have children, and be perfectly free of persecution. The laws are not what they used to be and are constantly being challenged.
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I've talked to a handful of incest victims. Mostly because once upon a time I did online roleplay, and lot of which was sexually oriented, and got to know the people behind the characters; the place was a magnet for people for whom real life sexuality was scary or impossible for a variety of reasons. As an introduction to every form of damage that can happen to people in the name of love or lust I doubt there's any better casual education.

I never talked to anyone for whom incest had been consensual at the beginning. For some it was forced on them and they endured it; for a few others they were forced into it but it later became consensual, because they'd been taught to see it as the way parental love was earned. In one horrifying case both parents had actively pushed their very underage daughter to their bed, combining rape, incest and pedophilia. In another case a 17 year old brother was abusing his 15 year old daughter because he was imitating his father's abuse of her, even after they were both moved to a foster home. There was no escape for that girl (but in the end I managed to badger her to at least tell her foster parents what was happening.)

For some people, it was thirty and even forty years later, and the only sexuality they could tolerate was roleplay of incest or violent and nonconsensual sex.

I posit that the majority of people who are turned on by incest stories are not grooving to a taboo, they are self-medicating for abuse they suffered in real life. And if I'm right, the fact that incest is the most active category on lit tells you there's a huge amount of abuse going on out there, and a fascination with dealing out more. Because of that, to my mind writing incest is simply encouraging, normalizing attitudes towards, and supporting the single most vile activity a parent can do to a child short of murder. If I ran this zoo, stories of consensual sex down to age 16 would be fine, but a single mention of anything closer than a second cousin would ban the story. If I ran the country, a father penetrating his children would be grounds for castration (I feel the same way about second-time rapists).

A son or daughter cannot give meaningful consent. It's simply not possible; the parent is in a position of authority and has complete control of the entire well-being and security of the child. It's implicit coercion no matter how the child is lured, encouraged or told it's all about love. Some people end up unable to trust anyone again. Suicide spikes when incest is involved. Emotional damages lead to therapies and costs that are borne by everyone. It has to end, and talking about the appeal of crossing lines, or how it's just fantasy, is pure rationalization.
 
LucidLucifer said:
I assume you are playing Devil's advocate so I'll propose a more specific scenario inline with what I prefer as far as the step-mom and step-son dynamic.

You have a dad that marries an extremely gorgeous gold-digger, his son is 15-16 years old.
The new step-mom is more interested in enjoying her new status than performing more typical motherly duties.
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You mean, of course, his son is 18 to 19 years-old and not 15-16 years-old.

Hmm, if a stepmother can have hard cash, what's to stop her from having a hard cock too? If, as a gold-digger, she married the man in the first place, then she'd have no qualms about seducing his son too. If caught, she'd blame his son.

"He raped me," said Veronica crying.

"Go! Get out of my house," said Mortimer to his son.

"But Dad. She's the one who seduced me," said Mortimer, Jr.

"Nonsense. Veronica is a good, moral, and modest woman. She spends most of her days on her knees...praying."
 
LucidLucifer said:
You have a dad that marries an extremely gorgeous gold-digger, his son is 15-16 years old.
The new step-mom is more interested in enjoying her new status than performing more typical motherly duties.
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First, if the son is 15-16 years old, there's no discussion to have about that on Lit. That's underage. In that situation, though, I agree with Freddie. No matter whether she fulfills the role or not, a step-mother of a minor has legally and in terms of responsibility stepped into the parent role and the relationship would be such that sexual activity would be incestuous.

If the guy is over 18, I don't see it as an incestuous arrangement. I do see it as time for him to get his ass out of his father's house, though, unless he's just coming home for college breaks. If he does that and sleeps with the stepmother, this is more a cuckold story than incest, I think.
 
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This is all so ignorant as to be laughable.


HandsInTheDark said:
I've talked to a handful of incest victims. Mostly because once upon a time I did online roleplay, and lot of which was sexually oriented, and got to know the people behind the characters; the place was a magnet for people for whom real life sexuality was scary or impossible for a variety of reasons. As an introduction to every form of damage that can happen to people in the name of love or lust I doubt there's any better casual education.

I never talked to anyone for whom incest had been consensual at the beginning. For some it was forced on them and they endured it; for a few others they were forced into it but it later became consensual, because they'd been taught to see it as the way parental love was earned. In one horrifying case both parents had actively pushed their very underage daughter to their bed, combining rape, incest and pedophilia. In another case a 17 year old brother was abusing his 15 year old daughter because he was imitating his father's abuse of her, even after they were both moved to a foster home. There was no escape for that girl (but in the end I managed to badger her to at least tell her foster parents what was happening.)

For some people, it was thirty and even forty years later, and the only sexuality they could tolerate was roleplay of incest or violent and nonconsensual sex.

I posit that the majority of people who are turned on by incest stories are not grooving to a taboo, they are self-medicating for abuse they suffered in real life. And if I'm right, the fact that incest is the most active category on lit tells you there's a huge amount of abuse going on out there, and a fascination with dealing out more. Because of that, to my mind writing incest is simply encouraging, normalizing attitudes towards, and supporting the single most vile activity a parent can do to a child short of murder. If I ran this zoo, stories of consensual sex down to age 16 would be fine, but a single mention of anything closer than a second cousin would ban the story. If I ran the country, a father penetrating his children would be grounds for castration (I feel the same way about second-time rapists).

A son or daughter cannot give meaningful consent. It's simply not possible; the parent is in a position of authority and has complete control of the entire well-being and security of the child. It's implicit coercion no matter how the child is lured, encouraged or told it's all about love. Some people end up unable to trust anyone again. Suicide spikes when incest is involved. Emotional damages lead to therapies and costs that are borne by everyone. It has to end, and talking about the appeal of crossing lines, or how it's just fantasy, is pure rationalization.
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Whatever it is, it's inevitably moving into an underage discussion, which Laurel has been cracking down on here of late.
 
HandsInTheDark said:
I've talked to a handful of incest victims. Mostly because once upon a time I did online roleplay, and lot of which was sexually oriented, and got to know the people behind the characters; the place was a magnet for people for whom real life sexuality was scary or impossible for a variety of reasons. As an introduction to every form of damage that can happen to people in the name of love or lust I doubt there's any better casual education.

I never talked to anyone for whom incest had been consensual at the beginning. For some it was forced on them and they endured it; for a few others they were forced into it but it later became consensual, because they'd been taught to see it as the way parental love was earned. In one horrifying case both parents had actively pushed their very underage daughter to their bed, combining rape, incest and pedophilia. In another case a 17 year old brother was abusing his 15 year old daughter because he was imitating his father's abuse of her, even after they were both moved to a foster home. There was no escape for that girl (but in the end I managed to badger her to at least tell her foster parents what was happening.)

For some people, it was thirty and even forty years later, and the only sexuality they could tolerate was roleplay of incest or violent and nonconsensual sex.

I posit that the majority of people who are turned on by incest stories are not grooving to a taboo, they are self-medicating for abuse they suffered in real life. And if I'm right, the fact that incest is the most active category on lit tells you there's a huge amount of abuse going on out there, and a fascination with dealing out more. Because of that, to my mind writing incest is simply encouraging, normalizing attitudes towards, and supporting the single most vile activity a parent can do to a child short of murder. If I ran this zoo, stories of consensual sex down to age 16 would be fine, but a single mention of anything closer than a second cousin would ban the story. If I ran the country, a father penetrating his children would be grounds for castration (I feel the same way about second-time rapists).

A son or daughter cannot give meaningful consent. It's simply not possible; the parent is in a position of authority and has complete control of the entire well-being and security of the child. It's implicit coercion no matter how the child is lured, encouraged or told it's all about love. Some people end up unable to trust anyone again. Suicide spikes when incest is involved. Emotional damages lead to therapies and costs that are borne by everyone. It has to end, and talking about the appeal of crossing lines, or how it's just fantasy, is pure rationalization.
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I have to say I find this laughable for one reason

The victims you are speaking of were raped. Which of course is not what's laughable . What is is the fact you're a big fan of non consent here

Non consent glorifies rape and violent non consensual sex and abuse and pain and suffering and you love it.

Wait, what? The non con stories here are only fantasy? So that makes it okay but the incest stories are not okay.

Oh and when the molesting family member goes to jail. Not for incest but for rape

Rape the kink you enjoy.

How hypocritical. Then again I have found that the difference between incest and non con readers is incest fans admit their kink

Non con fans deny what turns them on is a violent crime Committed by animals.

You just proved that. Incest is rape but non family rape is different.

Please.
 
Carnal_Flower said:
This is all so ignorant as to be laughable.
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I agree !

Not all parents are in control at all....things happen, people grow , they evolve, they fall apart.

Sometimes the children have to grow up and take control while the parent(s) act like children.

Sometimes a "child" may be more mature than a parent from the start.

Not everyone has a perfect family like the Brady Bunch. Families are messy and often confusing.

My dad died when I was 13, by 14 I had my first job after school paying rent while my mother had a tumor removed. I grew up fast, lost all my friends, gave up on sports, and got my GED at 16 so I could work 2 full time jobs to support myself and my mom. I never had sex with my mother, but I did have a relationship with an older cousin who had become like a sister to me.

Incest is not always rape and abuse and it sickens me how many claim that it is.
 
MrHappy212 said:
I agree !

Not all parents are in control at all....things happen, people grow , they evolve, they fall apart.

Sometimes the children have to grow up and take control while the parent(s) act like children.
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Legally the parent is responsible, though. This is a legal issue.
 
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