Incest Story Dos and Donts

Concave said:

I prefer love based incest relationships over power based ones. If there's a younger person, there should be NO undue influence. Same for blackmail or other forms of coercion... Games of chance where the players know there is risk are fine, but no cheating...

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Oh how I forgot about my hatred of blackmail plot lines...

If the comments on my two I/T stories are anything to go by, category readers absolutely love the fluffy, consensual, love-conquers-all finish. Chapter stories can get away with angsty endings individually, but by the time everything gets tied up, readers want that Happily Ever After(tm). The I/T top list is pretty much dominated top to bottom with chapter stories ending this way.

I can also say lesbian pairings (both of my stories have been sister/sister) don't take the kind of mauling boy/boy stories get. Pilot's right: if you're going to have a male main character fall in love with (or even just fool around with) another dude, posting anywhere but 'Gay Male' is just asking for a deluge of 1-bombs. Not sure why girls get a pass on this, but it is what it is. That said, lesbian incest doesn't get anywhere near the number of eyes a mom/son or brother/sister story attracts, but the readers who do enjoy it will reward the hell out of it if it's done well, and there are stories in the Top 50 to prove it.

I've not read every story on the top list, but it appears that while a stroker will get reads, votes, and even the red H if it's done well enough, you've got a much better shot at hitting the top list if you've got a plot buried in there. Either that or just write a multi-chapter epic which maintains an audience long enough that by the time you hit part 23, the only people you have reading are the ones auto-delivering 5s based on name recognition.

But that's just my experience. Your mileage may vary, and all that.

Also, yeah, Lovecraft68's How-to linked up there is massively helpful for new writers to the category.

This parody link has it all, romance, then conflict, a complete story of forbidden incestuous love

For those of you who don't recall it, the original commercial is the first half, once the parents come down, the next part is the added comedy.

Obviously when this commercial first aired I had no odd thoughts about, but seeing it years later I'm like....yeah, I can see it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhfcWTZeP1k

lovecraft68 said:

This parody link has it all, romance, then conflict, a complete story of forbidden incestuous love

For those of you who don't recall it, the original commercial is the first half, once the parents come down, the next part is the added comedy.

Obviously when this commercial first aired I had no odd thoughts about, but seeing it years later I'm like....yeah, I can see it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhfcWTZeP1k

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That's hilarious. The makers of the parody must be I/T readers to have thought of that.

Fantastic conversation.

Aside from Areala-chan's comments, there hasn't been much mention of lesbian incest stories. I'd like to think there are fewer trappings (i.e., conceits of the story that will draw substantial complaint) with lesbian pairings than with mother/son pairings . . . on account of the power dynamics and gender prerogatives inherent in the relationship not necessarily getting all twisted up, but I'm sure, as with all stories, "some readers like stuff, others don't."

That said, some lesbian pairings can be hard to find. Female cousins? In the past, a good story has been harder to locate than not. But it is what it is (or . . . was). And for those readers who like to combine or compound their fetishes, which also include incest? Good luck.

I don't think the difference in treatment of GM and lesbian pairings in stories is a mystery. The lesbian stories don't disturb a certain type of male reader here (represented in large numbers) because the more the merrier as long as the male reader can assume that the women involved just haven't met and come under his spell yet--he can cure them. But they feel threatened by male-male pairings. Nothing they want to openly think about doing in these pairings, even if subconsciously . . . or even though there was that time back in the Navy . . .

sr71plt said:

I don't think the difference in treatment of GM and lesbian pairings in stories is a mystery. The lesbian stories don't disturb a certain type of male reader here (represented in large numbers) because the more the merrier as long as the male reader can assume that the women involved just haven't met and come under his spell yet--he can cure them. But they feel threatened by male-male pairings. Nothing they want to openly think about doing in these pairings, even if subconsciously . . . or even though there was that time back in the Navy . . .

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They feel threatened because they're deathly afraid it might turn them on and if it does then its you-as the author's- fault because they're straight dammit.

And there is a longtime Double standard with lesbian. No guy minds it, many women are't homophobic like men so even if its not their thing, they're not appalled, but two guys? All straight men are turned off and some women are as well.

In my opinion incest is a pretty squicky kink in itself so throwing in some gay sex is hard for me to see as something to send people over the edge. Then again, I'm secure in my sexuality a lot of men aren't.

lovecraft68 said:

And there is a longtime Double standard with lesbian. No guy minds it, many women are't homophobic like men so even if its not their thing, they're not appalled, but two guys? All straight men are turned off and some women are as well.

In my opinion incest is a pretty squicky kink in itself so throwing in some gay sex is hard for me to see as something to send people over the edge.

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To your first point, I think that there is also a contributing factor of straight men not reacting negatively to lesbians because they understand the motivation and attraction. On some level straight men and lesbians have a connection as they both find women sexually attractive. It's not as foreign conceptually for straight men as the attraction of a man to another man.

Regarding the pushing people 'over the edge', I think that the incest concept is so inherently 'out there' that you're already pushing hard against the willing suspension of disbelief. Adding other factors in can snap that tenuous bound of believability for someone not already inclined to be overly accepting of gay relationships.

Bebop3 said:

Regarding the pushing people 'over the edge', I think that the incest concept is so inherently 'out there' that you're already pushing hard against the willing suspension of disbelief. Adding other factors in can snap that tenuous bound of believability for someone not already inclined to be overly accepting of gay relationships.

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I think there's something to this. It's not just that it pushes the suspension of disbelief beyond the breaking point, it's that the addition of too many kinks/fetishes dilutes the erotic flavor of the first one. It does, at least, for me. That doesn't explain the difference in the reaction to lesbian incest v. gay male incest, about which sr71plt and Lovecraft are right, but it explains the relative scarcity or unpopularity of gay incest in general.

SimonDoom said:

That doesn't explain the difference in the reaction to lesbian incest v. gay male incest, about which sr71plt and Lovecraft are right, but it explains the relative scarcity or unpopularity of gay incest in general.

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I think it's more a Literotica site thing. At all-GM sites, GM incest, where's it's accepted at all, is welcomed and rewarded by the readers. Literotica is a gay-tolerant site but not a particularly gay-friendly site. And now that it apparently is lumping GM incest into the regular incest category rather than having GM as the control (doing this so all incest might be lumped in one category in case the political climate means all incest has to be deleted?), I wouldn't suggest that writers post GM incest to Literotica at all.

If people want to talk turn offs/ troll bait and condemnation try writing femdom. The real men come out against that even more strongly than GM at times. Then again to the 'real men' demographic a man submitting (willingly mind you) to a woman is just a 'fag' anyway.

Pilot's point about lit having GM stories and a category, but the site itself not entirely GM friendly is valid. By the same token it is allows the content, but is certainly not friendly to women on top or in any type of power in general short of perhaps the fetish section.

Porn has come along way, but in general a lot of sites like this is for men by men. hence Gay male, femdom and of course any type of cuck story is nothing but troll fodder.

lovecraft68 said:

If people want to talk turn offs/ troll bait and condemnation try writing femdom. The real men come out against that even more strongly than GM at times. Then again to the 'real men' demographic a man submitting (willingly mind you) to a woman is just a 'fag' anyway.

Pilot's point about lit having GM stories and a category, but the site itself not entirely GM friendly is valid. By the same token it is allows the content, but is certainly not friendly to women on top or in any type of power in general short of perhaps the fetish section.

Porn has come along way, but in general a lot of sites like this is for men by men. hence Gay male, femdom and of course any type of cuck story is nothing but troll fodder.

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All my non-humour stuff is femdom, sometimes quite extreme, and I've never received any negative comments about it: perhaps the warning at the beginning of the story helps ward off people who aren't into it.

I've ended up with a small but freindly readership.

NoJo said:

All my non-humour stuff is femdom, sometimes quite extreme, and I've never received any negative comments about it: perhaps the warning at the beginning of the story helps ward off people who aren't into it.

I've ended up with a small but freindly readership.

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The warnings help big time. What's the category you're placing them in? I get killed in incest and mature just because I don't have 20 year old boys telling women in their forties "bitch get on your knees' and letting the women take the lead and that's not even femdom.

Well , I submit in "Mind Control" a lot (which is really "cock control" in the case of femdom), and occasionally BDSM for the more S/M stuff.

As I said at the top of this thread, I've never posted in incest, and have assumed that they were quite a pernickety readership. My incest story is also femdom, and touches on some other sensitive stuff like abuse and dementia, so fuck knows what people will make of it. Oh well, I write to write.

In my opinion, if you're pissing a few people off and getting trolled you're doing something right: It's a lot better than tumbleweed or polite congratulations, which are the two main reactions to my stuff.

NoJo said:

Well , I submit in "Mind Control" a lot (which is really "cock control" in the case of femdom), and occasionally BDSM for the more S/M stuff.

As I said at the top of this thread, I've never posted in incest, and have assumed that they were quite a pernickety readership. My incest story is also femdom, and touches on some other sensitive stuff like abuse and dementia, so fuck knows what people will make of it. Oh well, I write to write.

In my opinion, if you're pissing a few people off and getting trolled you're doing something right: It's a lot better than tumbleweed or polite congratulations, which are the two main reactions to my stuff.

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Oh ow....

Okay, I'll just say this from personal experience here. BDSM attributes aren't really popular in incest. I wrote an entire series where the brother/sister took turns topping each other some more about control, some pretty rough. I got a lot of negative feedback on the first couple of chapters, then that slowed down because...no one was reading it except those into it. I ha da very small, but loyal following.

But the abuse aspect really rubs them the wrong way. As discussed we know in real life incest is usually rape and abuse and us taboo fans know that and when we're reminded of it its a little pang of guilt followed by getting annoyed you done fucked up our happy place (I know someone who reads non con and gets those same feelings when the story ends up being a bit too much)

I've used those devices as well in the same series, but played with it here and there in others. A good example is of my mother son stories as a whole I would guess my average is maybe 4.70ish.

One in which there an abusive father barely hangs at 4.50 and regularly gets hit with ugly comments.

So you're pissing in the cheerios, but you're right, a strong reaction is a good reaction and as long as its a story you wanted to write who cares?

I'm no expert, but

I believe there should be a valid and good reason or scenario that caused the people to come together. I can't stand those videos where the guy walks into the room, gives some lame excuse, and in minutes, they're fucking!

I came up with a brother and sister who were touching when a lightning strike happened, which turned them into empaths of a sort, and very horny also. It worked for me and I love the story. No, I'm not asking for reads, just giving my two cents worth.

NoJo said:

Well , I submit in "Mind Control" a lot (which is really "cock control" in the case of femdom), and occasionally BDSM for the more S/M stuff.

As I said at the top of this thread, I've never posted in incest, and have assumed that they were quite a pernickety readership. My incest story is also femdom, and touches on some other sensitive stuff like abuse and dementia, so fuck knows what people will make of it. Oh well, I write to write.

In my opinion, if you're pissing a few people off and getting trolled you're doing something right: It's a lot better than tumbleweed or polite congratulations, which are the two main reactions to my stuff.

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The thing about trolls, to my mind, is that they're so unhappy with their lives, and knowing they lack talent at ANYTHING, they can't let others have any fun or be successful. So, when trolls show up and crap everywhere, take it as a sign that you've done something right even if the scoring doesn't show it.

Tumbleweeds and crickets don't mean dissatisfaction. I have never in my life felt any urge to write any author telling them I did, or didn't, like their work. Not here or anywhere else in over 50 years. I think this is pretty much universal since the view to votes ratio is usually high and higher yet for views to comments. People read and move on without comment because they're there for the reading, not the conversation.

MagicFingers said:

I believe there should be a valid and good reason or scenario that caused the people to come together. I can't stand those videos where the guy walks into the room, gives some lame excuse, and in minutes, they're fucking!

I came up with a brother and sister who were touching when a lightning strike happened, which turned them into empaths of a sort, and very horny also. It worked for me and I love the story. No, I'm not asking for reads, just giving my two cents worth.

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I think about this from time to time, particularly with "taboo" stories . . . I often find I'm more invested in the story of the narrative/scenario is more competently/deliberately structured than otherwise. I don't know if that means I'm demanding more of myself (when I write) or more of others (when I browse the stories of others), but it's a recurring truism among the stories I latch onto from this category or grouping.

Well, it took me almost two years, but I finally submitted the story, which is pending. And no, I have not worked on it non-stop since December 2017.


I'm curious to see how a femdom/incest/dementia story goes down. At least there's a bit of anal for some light relief.

I once wrote an incest story where the mom and dad go to jail for having sex with their kids. Not a lot of people liked that story, that seems to be a don’t.

DOs and DON'Ts in IT:

* DO read top-rated I-T stories to see what works. Emulate, don't copy.
* DON'T expect a do-don't list to be comprehensive or even very useful. But emphasize kinship.

I've a few mom+son tales. Most depend on an event to trigger the taboo violation, mostly initiated by mom. I must somewhat believe it myself before I'll post it. Maybe some readers want a romantic buildup with guilty protestations but I don't believe in such... except to parody. Maybe some readers want mom ass-raped, or subjugated and enslaved. They'll find their pervo desires satisfied SOMEWHERE here.

As with other categories, I-T readers are diverse. Ya can't please-em all.

MichaelGH said:

I once wrote an incest story where the mom and dad go to jail for having sex with their kids. Not a lot of people liked that story, that seems to be a don’t.

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Is that story posted?

eroticstoryspinner said:

Is that story posted?

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Yeah, it's right here in case you're interested https://www.literotica.com/s/fuck-mountain-ch-05

This has been a really interesting thread. I apparently have been breaking all the rules. Well I did hit the mention "Mom" in the title.

Honestly I think it comes down to writing something people want to read. Even if it s a small group.

My stories: Mom and Daughter Face Penal Slavery pts 1 and 2 Part 3 real soon now
Penal Slavery pts 1-5

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=4605551&page=submissions

sr71plt said:

I think it's more a Literotica site thing. At all-GM sites, GM incest, where's it's accepted at all, is welcomed and rewarded by the readers. Literotica is a gay-tolerant site but not a particularly gay-friendly site. And now that it apparently is lumping GM incest into the regular incest category rather than having GM as the control (doing this so all incest might be lumped in one category in case the political climate means all incest has to be deleted?), I wouldn't suggest that writers post GM incest to Literotica at all.

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I am plotting out a story in my Penal Slavery universe where A mother and father are sentenced to enslavement but get to stagger their sentences to allow the mother to be there for the kids till they turn 18 (twins of course) However the sentences overlap for about 6 months and the now 18 year old kids discover that the parents are not out of town for the reason they are told but int he process get enslaved themselves. I had planned an incest scene of the father and son and mother and daughter as they were show what they will expect as penal slaves. You have me wondering now, although it I still think I am going to write it.