Reproductive "rights" vs. reproductive responsibilities

At one time most adults took pride in being responsible for themselves and their actions. If an unwanted result occured from one's voluntary choices, the adult would man up or woman up and deal with the consequences.

Today a large percentage of people claim the right to do anything they want in any way they want AND expect there to be no consequences to their actions. For example, they voluntarily choose to engage in sexual intercourse without taking adequate contraceptive precautions and then have a tantrum demanding the "right" to eliminate the unwanted consequences and even in many case demand others pay to eliminate the consequences for them. This is somehow refered to as "rights."

Where is the pride of real adults, women and men, to take responsibility for their own lives and actions? If you don't want a baby, take the necessary steps not to create one, whatever that entails for you. It doesn't seem that complicated.

What do we do with the babies of irresponsible people?
 
People do not Have to have sex....one way or another. Even those that are, I doubt that they have never heard of at least condoms, if nothing else.

People can control themselves...if they want to.

Who should we punish, the parents or the baby?
 
Yep. And the killing of innocent human beings will be the price paid.

Only because within your ignorance we can't have women on the pill. Still if the price is these innocent human beings it's perfectly legal and that's never going to change.

I assume I can count on you help stop invitro or are you hypocrit?
 
Only because within your ignorance we can't have women on the pill. Still if the price is these innocent human beings it's perfectly legal and that's never going to change.

I assume I can count on you help stop invitro or are you hypocrit?

Women can still get pregnant on the pill.

Invitro is trying to get pregnant. Why would you have to stop it if a couple wanted a child together?
 
Women can still get pregnant on the pill.

Invitro is trying to get pregnant. Why would you have to stop it if a couple wanted a child together?

Yes. Women can get pregnant on the pill. Condoms break, quite often when not worn properly and since it's pornographic to demonstrate on a banana a lot of boys and young men don't know how to properly put one on. Again, firmly in your this is your fault category.

Who cares that they are trying to get pregnant. If it's disgusting to kill a baby accidentally conceived surely it's much much worse to create a dozen babies on purpose knowing you're going to destroy the majority of them.
 
Yes. Women can get pregnant on the pill. Condoms break, quite often when not worn properly and since it's pornographic to demonstrate on a banana a lot of boys and young men don't know how to properly put one on. Again, firmly in your this is your fault category.

Who cares that they are trying to get pregnant. If it's disgusting to kill a baby accidentally conceived surely it's much much worse to create a dozen babies on purpose knowing you're going to destroy the majority of them.

But......but......THAT'S DIFFERENT!!
 
Funny that conservatives are so gung-ho about unborn babies, but couldn't give a fuck about them afterwards unless they are stealing their car or decide to be muslim....

Let's see:
Conservatives are against contraception (comprehensive sex ed, condoms, the pill) but decry abortion.
Conservatives rail against abortions but won't chastize murderers/terrorists that bomb clinics
Conservatives are pro death penalty but are pro life...
Conservatives don't want social services but are for the military...
Conservatives are pro children but anti woman (female health, maternity leave, child care)...

Granted these are generalizations, but is anyone else noticing the fucked up priorities?? I'm going to be glad when as a country we realize that backwards religious customs are no way to run a country of +350 million people. Former surgeons general of the US have mentioned before the fucked up state of sex ed in this country and how there is NO scientific evidence that abstinence only works.

So conservatives of Lit, please regale us with your bullshit of explaining this one? Cause I'll call it even if you'll decide to rail on contraception OR abortion but you only get to choose one, because going on about both at the same time makes you look fucking stupid.
 
These discussions are truly fruitless.

The "foward thinking " known as liberals have spoken and decided there are no boundaries, anything anyone wants to do is just fine, and personal fulfillment is the only thing that matters in all of life, without regard to any other human being.

You have the country you want, so you should truly be celebrating!
 
These discussions are truly fruitless.

The "foward thinking " known as liberals have spoken and decided there are no boundaries, anything anyone wants to do is just fine, and personal fulfillment is the only thing that matters in all of life, without regard to any other human being.

You have the country you want, so you should truly be celebrating!

I read this as "I got nothing, fuck you."

Anyone else?
 
I read this as "I got nothing, fuck you."

Anyone else?

I thought it was her taking pride in being backward thinking while trying to ridicule forward thinking. It would be funny if we hadn't pointed out several ways she could think forward that would cut severely into the amount of abortions in the country but it's better to have a stupid God fearing population than an intelligent scientific community.

Remember that Utopia talk we had the other day? I'm not saying more money solves everything but do we really want to cut public schools to a point that Julybaby has an excuse to home school her brood?
 
These discussions are truly fruitless.

The "foward thinking " known as liberals have spoken and decided there are no boundaries, anything anyone wants to do is just fine, and personal fulfillment is the only thing that matters in all of life, without regard to any other human being.

You have the country you want, so you should truly be celebrating!

Did you ever stop to think that with all the Christian Right praying to God to put the "right man in the White House" he answered those prayers?

No? Is it because your mind is so hardened toward any other thinking than your own that you can't fathom a world that is exactly how it's supposed to be? That loving one another is so much more important than persecuting someone with different mindsets?

This is why you make people so mad. You proclaim to be a good Chrisitan woman but you don't live the life. Stop telling people how to think and start accepting them for their thoughts.
 
Remember that Utopia talk we had the other day? I'm not saying more money solves everything but do we really want to cut public schools to a point that Julybaby has an excuse to home school her brood?

LOL point...maybe if they had gone the extra 2 mil for the football stadium instead of getting cheap and getting a mini jumbo tron she might have taken the education standards more seriously.
 
That loving one another is so much more important than persecuting someone with different mindsets?

Except for people like jeninflorida, and vetteman...

...and all others whose "mindsets" are offensively "different" to you, right?
 
Except for people like jeninflorida, and vetteman...

...and all others whose "mindsets" are offensively "different" to you, right?

Do you see me claiming to be a good Christian woman?

Go fvck yourself.
 
Did you ever stop to think that with all the Christian Right praying to God to put the "right man in the White House" he answered those prayers?

No? Is it because your mind is so hardened toward any other thinking than your own that you can't fathom a world that is exactly how it's supposed to be? That loving one another is so much more important than persecuting someone with different mindsets?

This is why you make people so mad. You proclaim to be a good Chrisitan woman but you don't live the life. Stop telling people how to think and start accepting them for their thoughts.

...and what does being a good Christian woman mean to you?
 
...and what does being a good Christian woman mean to you?

What does it mean to you?

To me it's always been to follow the teachings of Christ. I have yet to find where he said persecute those that disagree with you, force your views on people, be passive-aggressive.


ETA: I think in your heart you mean well, you believe you come from a place of goodness, but it's not how you're perceived.
 
This is why you make people so mad.

The Nazarene made "people so mad" they had him crucified. His chosen disciples (accept for Judas and John) were all killed by "people" because they, too, made people "so mad".

Your point again was...what?

You proclaim to be a good Chrisitan woman but you don't live the life. Stop telling people how to think and start accepting them for their thoughts.

The Nazarene told people how to think if they desired to be accepted...

...and any of their thoughts otherwise were totally irrelevant to him.

So...

...exactly what "life" are you accusing julybaby04 of not living?
 
The Nazarene made "people so mad" they had him crucified. His chosen disciples (accept for Judas and John) were all killed by "people" because they, too, made people "so mad".

Your point again was...what?



The Nazarene told people how to think if they desired to be accepted...

...and any of their thoughts otherwise were totally irrelevant to him.

So...

...exactly what "life" are you accusing julybaby04 of not living?


Am I to infer that you consider July to be the second coming?

You might need to study up on your false idols.
 
What does it mean to you?

To me it's always been to follow the teachings of Christ. I have yet to find where he said persecute those that disagree with you, force your views on people, be passive-aggressive.


ETA: I think in your heart you mean well, you believe you come from a place of goodness, but it's not how you're perceived.

To me it means this......

I am a sinner. I do not deserve anything but to live eternally in Hell. God loves me and wants me to be with Him for eternity. I can't be there with sin, as God is perfect. God sent His Son to come to earth...live as fully God and fully human ....and to live perfectly. He was sacrificed on the cross to pay the price for my sins (and anyone else who chooses to believe they are sinners and want God to save them). Jesus rose again and is now with God in Heaven.

I am no more deserving than anyone else....I just believe it to be true...and try to live my life that would be pleasing to God and glorify Him.

I still sin, everyday. I ask for forgiveness, everyday.

I think I make people mad only because I believe God more than human beings. I don't believe God's standards or morals ever change, even if society's does. Of course, it would be nice to have friends here, but if the only reason I am disliked is because of my faith and standing up for God, then I suppose many will continue to hate me here.
 
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Am I to infer that you consider July to be the second coming?

You might need to study up on your false idols.

You should consider graduating from the playground...

...'cause with a juvenile retort like that, it's almost as if you're actually jealous of her.
 
You seem to see yourself as an expert on how "a good Christian woman" should "live"...

...so how would you even know?

You should consider graduating from the playground...

...'cause with a juvenile retort like that, it's almost as if you're actually jealous of her.

...in your own words, Eeyore.
 
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