What is up, with the weather ?

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-pounding-cuba-cat-3-likely-be-cat-3-or-4-florida

Looks like Irma will not take out Mar-a-Largo but travel up the west coast of Florida.

September 9, 2017

Another 700,000 people have evacuated in Florida ahead of Hurricane Irma, ,bringing the total to nearly 7 million residents – roughly one-third of the state's population – who have fled the storm.

Florida is home to some 21 million people – many of which have temporarily relocated to Georgia or other neighboring states ahead of Irma's severe impacts. At least 51,000 people have entered shelters to ride out the storm, emergency management officials said Saturday.

https://www.wunderground.com/news/hurricane-irma-florida-keys-tampa-miami-impacts

JackLuis said:

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-pounding-cuba-cat-3-likely-be-cat-3-or-4-florida

Looks like Irma will not take out Mar-a-Largo but travel up the west coast of Florida.

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Last time a storm hit Mar-a-Lago crafty DJT pocketed $13.7 million in insurance payouts but only spent $7000 on repairs. Any loss is his gain, so long as the classy expensive stuff is stashed someplace safe.

Good Bye Miami!

WATCH: Shocking video of flooding in downtown Miami looks like a real-life disaster movie

I took a road trip on I-95 from Virginia up to Philadelphia and back this weekend. A lot of convoys of utility trucks and military convoys were heading south. Very heartening to see.

After striking the Keys in midmorning, the eye of the storm moved over Marco Island, south of Naples. And soon after came the floodwaters, with water levels in Naples increasing 7 feet in just 90 minutes.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-florida-hurricane-irma-20170910-story.html

Fort Myers, Naples, Sanibel, are hit

The storm brought memories of Hurricane Charley, which blew ashore near Fort Myers in 2004 with winds near 149 mph (240 kph). It caused $15 billion in damage and was blamed for as many as 35 deaths in the U.S.

Irma was downgraded to a Category 3 storm less than two hours before making a second landfall at Marco Island at 3:35 p.m. on Sunday, and downgraded again to a category 2 before striking Naples soon after. As of mid-evening Sunday, the storm was packing maximum sustained winds of 105 mph, and was expected to crawl up the coast, eventually hitting the Tampa–St. Petersburg area on Sunday night.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...dfall-in-florida-as-category-4-hurricane.html

I worry about all of the critters and creatures that call Ding Darling home. They do not understand orders to evacuate.


Evacuations were ordered

A previous announcement put in place mandatory evacuations of Evacuation Zone A and portions of the Imperial River basin between East Terry, Bonita Beach Road and Interstate 75. That includes:

All of the barrier islands (Boca Grande/Gasparilla, Cayo Costa, Useppa, Cabbage Key, North Captiva, Captiva, Sanibel, Fort Myers Beach, San Carlos Island, Bonita Beach)

Cape Coral west of Burnt Store Road and south of Cape Coral Parkway, east of Del Prado Boulevard to Viscaya Parkway

North Fort Myers south of Bay Shore Road from Moody Road to State Road 31 and areas south of North River Road from State Road 31 to Fichters Creek.

Areas of Iona south of Maple Drive, west of U.S. 41

San Carlos Park west of U.S. 41,

Estero west of U.S. 41, north of the Estero River

Bonita Springs communities along Estero Bay and the Imperial River Basin.

http://www.sanibel-captiva-islander...-expanded-mandatory-evacuations.html?nav=5064

JackLuis said:

Good Bye Miami!
WATCH: Shocking video of flooding in downtown Miami looks like a real-life disaster movie

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Life imitates art. It *IS* a fucking disaster movie with no script or director, like something Andy Warhol would have made.

Okay, time to pitch some disaster-film Big Concepts:

* In the Hollywood version, sacrificial goats die, heroes are heroes, etc.
* In the Roger Corman version, man-eating critters rise from the depths.
* The Andy Warhol version has a man masturbating in a boat for six hours.
* Lady Gaga's rendition has tentacle creatures dance-raping Southern belles.
* The Steve Bannon script has Prez Tromp waving hands and parting waters.
* In a new Matrix franchise entry, the storms are faked and Neo gets laid.
* The Bollywood take has dancers skimming over blood-red flood waters.
* Alex Jones features giant radioactive telepathic squids eating honkies.
* Cracked,Com posts video 25 REASONS HURRICANES ARE FASCIST.
* We'll see many RedTube videos of 'amateur' in-the-storm fuckers.
* The Tarantino version -- oh shit, you don't wanna think about it.

Et fucking cetera.

Floridians should be on alligator alert after Irma

I'd be more worried about the pythons!

Science!

As a result of their research, the Tropical Cyclone Research Group was the first to notice Irma — before it became a tropical storm, before it earned a nickname and before it became a Category 5 hurricane. The scientists have been analyzing its intensity ever since, just as they did earlier with Hurricane Harvey.

The University of Wisconsin team gets its information from geostationary satellites 22,500 miles above Earth, as well as polar orbiting satellites 500 miles up. Geostationary satellites, which are positioned over one spot, offer continuous images, while the orbiting satellites provide pictures every 12 hours as they revolve around the north and south poles.

Information from the Madison researchers is combined with data streaming in from other spots to help forecasters at the National Hurricane Center in Miami figure out the intensity of hurricanes such as Harvey and Irma and their likely path. While these scientists don’t issue forecasts, the information they provide is critical to meteorologists who then release warnings that help people decide whether to flee or hunker down.


http://www.naplesnews.com/story/new...provide-data-developing-hurricanes/646079001/



The Trump administration wants to slash the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) budget by 16 percent. Several NOAA programs are developing advanced modeling to make storm forecasts more accurate and reliable. But the administration requested a $5 million funding cut for these modeling programs. The agency’s climate research arm — the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research — would face a 32 percent budget cut, the largest of any NOAA agency.

NOAA’s National Weather Service, which is facing an $82 million budget cut, provided indispensable forecasts for the people of southeastern Texas. The NWS also developed maps to illustrate how high the bayous rose in and around Houston after Harvey and projected when they would get back to normal.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-budget-cuts-disaster-relief-4a20c76c231c/

Research, development, and accuracy


http://www.militarynews.com/norfolk...cle_3d37d928-4e46-5e6b-80b4-c7f5ef20e9e3.html


September 10, 2017


Earlier in the day, dozens of humans ventured out into the suddenly dried up waters of Tampa Bay, receiving a lot of social media head-shaking, since everyone assumed the water would come flooding back in pretty quickly.

Area police came out to ward off the explorers before any such tragedy occurred.

At the time, the center of Hurricane Irma was over Naples making its way north toward Fort Myers as a Category 3 hurricane with 130 mph.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/weat...ane-irma-manatee-stranded-20170910-story.html


Irma’s winds are so strong, it’s pulling water away from the shoreline

September 10, 2017

Irma’s winds are so strong, it’s pulling water away from the shoreline. It happened in the Bahamas on Friday and Saturday, and now it’s happening on the Gulf Coast of Florida on Sunday.

Saturday, the wind on Long Island in the Bahamas was blowing from southeast to northwest. So on the northwest side of the island, water was getting pushed away from the shoreline.


On the Gulf Coast of Florida, winds were out of the east on Sunday, which pushed water west and away from the coast.

At the same time, some locations may be experiencing the effects of the hurricane “bulge.” In the center of the storm, where the pressure is lowest and the winds are converging, water piles up. Low pressure is basically a sucking mechanism in the sense that it draws the air inward. When the pressure is exceptionally low and the winds are very strong, it can create a bulge of ocean water under the center of the storm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-away-from-shorelines/?utm_term=.cc832c14adf5


Hurricane Irma is so strong and its pressure is so low, it’s sucking water from shorelines into the core of the storm

The National Hurricane Center tweeted, using all capital letters: “MOVE AWAY FROM THE WATER!”

The wind will shift, and water levels will rise within minutes, the National Hurricane Center warned, flooding the coast with huge waves and 10 to 15 feet of water.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-time/promo&tid=a_inl&utm_term=.67ac811ce3d3

Science!

As a result of their research, the Tropical Cyclone Research Group was the first to notice Irma — before it became a tropical storm, before it earned a nickname and before it became a Category 5 hurricane. The scientists have been analyzing its intensity ever since, just as they did earlier with Hurricane Harvey.

The University of Wisconsin team gets its information from geostationary satellites 22,500 miles above Earth, as well as polar orbiting satellites 500 miles up. Geostationary satellites, which are positioned over one spot, offer continuous images, while the orbiting satellites provide pictures every 12 hours as they revolve around the north and south poles.

Information from the Madison researchers is combined with data streaming in from other spots to help forecasters at the National Hurricane Center in Miami figure out the intensity of hurricanes such as Harvey and Irma and their likely path. While these scientists don’t issue forecasts, the information they provide is critical to meteorologists who then release warnings that help people decide whether to flee or hunker down.


http://www.naplesnews.com/story/new...provide-data-developing-hurricanes/646079001/



The Trump administration wants to slash the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) budget by 16 percent. Several NOAA programs are developing advanced modeling to make storm forecasts more accurate and reliable. But the administration requested a $5 million funding cut for these modeling programs. The agency’s climate research arm — the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research — would face a 32 percent budget cut, the largest of any NOAA agency.

NOAA’s National Weather Service, which is facing an $82 million budget cut, provided indispensable forecasts for the people of southeastern Texas. The NWS also developed maps to illustrate how high the bayous rose in and around Houston after Harvey and projected when they would get back to normal.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-budget-cuts-disaster-relief-4a20c76c231c/

Research, development, and accuracy


http://www.militarynews.com/norfolk...cle_3d37d928-4e46-5e6b-80b4-c7f5ef20e9e3.html


September 10, 2017


Earlier in the day, dozens of humans ventured out into the suddenly dried up waters of Tampa Bay, receiving a lot of social media head-shaking, since everyone assumed the water would come flooding back in pretty quickly.

Area police came out to ward off the explorers before any such tragedy occurred.

At the time, the center of Hurricane Irma was over Naples making its way north toward Fort Myers as a Category 3 hurricane with 130 mph.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/weat...ane-irma-manatee-stranded-20170910-story.html


Irma’s winds are so strong, it’s pulling water away from the shoreline

September 10, 2017

Irma’s winds are so strong, it’s pulling water away from the shoreline. It happened in the Bahamas on Friday and Saturday, and now it’s happening on the Gulf Coast of Florida on Sunday.

Saturday, the wind on Long Island in the Bahamas was blowing from southeast to northwest. So on the northwest side of the island, water was getting pushed away from the shoreline.


On the Gulf Coast of Florida, winds were out of the east on Sunday, which pushed water west and away from the coast.

At the same time, some locations may be experiencing the effects of the hurricane “bulge.” In the center of the storm, where the pressure is lowest and the winds are converging, water piles up. Low pressure is basically a sucking mechanism in the sense that it draws the air inward. When the pressure is exceptionally low and the winds are very strong, it can create a bulge of ocean water under the center of the storm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-away-from-shorelines/?utm_term=.cc832c14adf5


Hurricane Irma is so strong and its pressure is so low, it’s sucking water from shorelines into the core of the storm

The National Hurricane Center tweeted, using all capital letters: “MOVE AWAY FROM THE WATER!”

The wind will shift, and water levels will rise within minutes, the National Hurricane Center warned, flooding the coast with huge waves and 10 to 15 feet of water.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-time/promo&tid=a_inl&utm_term=.67ac811ce3d3

In the spirit of Lit-

Earthlings demand harder, faster, deeper, by the manner of our actions. There are consequences.

The scariest thing about 2017’s hurricanes: They keep getting really strong, really fast

September 19, 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eally-bad-really-fast/?utm_term=.087641b06ba9


That inward contraction of a hurricane’s eye can be one telltale indicator of what hurricane gurus technically call “rapid intensification,” although a more evocative word might simply be “explosion.” Whatever you call it, it’s something we keep seeing this year. Harvey, Irma, Jose and now Maria have rapidly strengthened — and all too often, have done it just before striking land.

It’s a dangerous and scary phenomenon that scientists and forecasters are still trying to understand.

gsgs comment- Will we be allowed to hear the answer to that question ?

It is October, and the Christmas commercials have started. I am aggravated by prospect of hearing "Jingle Bells" for three months. To top it all off, Boston weather remains hot, damp, and sticky.

"Temps this morning near 5AM were in the mid-70f in Boston, 80f late afternoon"

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Halloween snow, 2011

Snowtober

October 31, 2011

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...1/gIQApy7LZM_blog.html?utm_term=.8fcbcf4387cf

Wunderground.com weather historian Christopher Burt called it “the most extraordinary October snowstorm in over two centuries in the Northeast U.S

Snow is not the same thing as cold.

Temperatures in the Northeast U.S. were quite cold on Saturday, but no observing station there broke a record for coldest temperature for the day on October 29, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Our climate is still cold enough in October to give us the occasional early-season record snowstorm.”

The deadly and unprecedented swarm of wildfires that broke out Sunday night and Monday morning — two in heavily populated areas of Sonoma and Napa counties that have not been touched by wildfires in modern memory — continues to burn in Northern California, and the combined events are sure to go down as among the most deadly and destructive in state history.

http://sfist.com/2017/10/10/150_rep...379.429889814.1507671431-496179279.1507671431

gotsnowgotslush said:

The deadly and unprecedented swarm of wildfires that broke out Sunday night and Monday morning — two in heavily populated areas of Sonoma and Napa counties that have not been touched by wildfires in modern memory — continues to burn in Northern California, and the combined events are sure to go down as among the most deadly and destructive in state history.

http://sfist.com/2017/10/10/150_rep...379.429889814.1507671431-496179279.1507671431

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We lived there. Our old home near Coffey Park (featured in many news stories) is gone. Commercial and residential districts; historical landmarks; our friends' homes and ranches in the dry east hills, gone. And we almost spent the weekend nearby. We were nearly evacuees. Yikes.

No official causes yet for the string of fires over a 100-mile range all starting around 10pm Sunday night. Forget conspiracy; blame weather. I *suspect* a hot dry front moved west from the Nevada deserts, dried again as it ascended the inner Coast Ranges, hit the cooler coastal air mass, and triggered a line of lightning strikes.
Meanwhile, history doesn't repeat itself, but it plagiarizes, sez Mark Twain. So:

Frankenstein, the Baroness, and the Climate Refugees of 1816

It is two hundred years since “The Year Without a Summer”, when a sun-obscuring ash cloud — ejected from one of the most powerful volcanic eruptions in recorded history — caused temperatures to plummet the world over. [The author] looks at the humanitarian crisis triggered by the unusual weather, and how it offers an alternative lens through which to read Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein, a book begun in its midst.

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When Mt Tamboura blew in 1815 it caused terrible global cooling till 1818 -- three years without summers. Weather and ocean currents disrupted; crop failures and mass starvation worldwide; countless deaths; hundreds of thousand of gaunt, starving peasants on European trails -- not unlike MidEastern refugees assaulting Europe now, their plight triggered by the global-warming-induced Syrian drought in the early 2000s that kicked off civil war there, fed ISIS, etc.

That endless cold, dark time inspired Dickens' harsh-winter descriptions in A Christmas Carol.

Switzerland was hit brutally by the refugee crisis. Townsfolk drove away the pitiful beggars, now barely human, looking and staggering like Frankenstein's creature. The article argues that those wretches were Mary Shelly's model.

And that's how refugees are painted now, as worthless sub-human shits infested with medical, mental, and moral diseases. But guess what? Further climate change NOW drives yet more desperate migrations. They're coming. It ain't "if?" but "where and when?" and the answer is, "here and now."

What then shall we do? Build perimeter walls around target nations? Sink their boats at sea? Killer satellites, lasering the trespassers? Armor remote islands as vast internment camps? We might not like the Darwinian results there, with the toughest, smartest bastards surviving and dominating, not unlike Heinlein's Coventry. Or just ignore them and hope they go elsewhere?

A week of fire, burning in California


40 dead in California wildfires, dozens still missing as firefighters make significant progress

Sometime in the half hour before that radio dispatch — Cal Fire records say 9:45 p.m. — something had ignited in the woods in neighboring Napa County, near tiny Tubbs Lane just north of Calistoga. October is high fire season in California, and all evening the dreaded Diablo winds, dry and reaching hurricane speed, had been blasting through the area at up to 80 miles an hour in 80-degree weather. All that was needed was a spark somewhere.


http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Wine-Country-fires-first-fatal-hours-12278092.php

October 15, 2017

Of 224 people initially unaccounted for in Napa County, 146 have been found safe, four have been identified as dead and 74 remain missing, Napa County spokeswoman Molly Rattigan said.

Firefighting efforts include 880 fire engines, 134 bulldozers, 224 hand crews and 138 water tenders, Teter said. At first light Saturday, 14 helicopters were conducting water drops.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-wildfires-california-20171015-story.html


A still-unknown cause, possibly downed power poles, sparked three major fires on Sunday night. Winds gusting from 35 mph to 75 mph in some parts of the Bay Area fanned the flames in fuels that grew thick over a wet winter and dried over a hot summer.

Mike Pechner of Golden West Meteorology in Fairfield compared the winds to those that stoked the infamous, 1991 Oakland Hills fire. They packed a once-in-a-generation punch.

“This (wind) event was very rare in recent history,” Pechner said.

http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...8c438a79ae.html#tncms-source=home-top-story-1

October 15, 2017

"We’re not out of the woods yet,” Brown said, urging people to stay alert and be ready to evacuate.

http://www.sonomanews.com/news/7528498-181/gov-jerry-brown-in-santa?ref=TSM&artslide=7

Red flag wind warnings are in effect until 8 a.m. in Sonoma County as more than 3,000 firefighters continued to fight the historic and catastrophic North Bay blazes overnight.

https://www.bohemian.com/northbay/fire-update/Content?oid=4216742

Mendocino County’s Redwood fire was bigger Saturday night by about 1,000 acres but firefighters now have it 30 percent contained, Cal Fire said Saturday night.

The fire, which burned the north end of Redwood Valley and the southern end of Potter Valley and so far has killed eight people, reached 35,000 acres Saturday night. As many as 8,000 structures remain threatened.

Sonoma County grape growers have been warned to watch for arsonists in their vineyards after a suspicious fire near MacMurray Ranch in Healdsburg on Friday afternoon..

“It has been brought to our attention that an arsonist was seen along Westside Road with a flare. When the grape grower arrived and saw smoke, the arsonist fled and unfortunately was not caught,” said Karissa Kruse, president of Sonoma County winegrowers in an alert sent to growers.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/7524804-181/live-updates-fire-death-toll?ref=most&artslide=16

A disaster seems to attract the worst that humanity has to offer-

arsonists



(What kind of person starts arson fires, when a fire burns an area the size of New York ?)


looters, stolen official uniforms and badges, and phone scammers trying to get personal information from fire victims.

Sensible advice

Even when emergency personnel are on the street with sirens blaring, though, some people freeze up and refuse to believe what is happening, he said.

“If you smell smoke, if you see fire, if the sheriff’s deputies are running up and down the street, telling people to go … if you see your neighbor leaving on the left, your neighbor leaving on the right, your neighbor across the street leaving, it’s time to go.”

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article178822381.html

We pay taxes, and that funds NOAA.
We have paid our fee to see NOAA information and data.
Weather stations and Global Climate change deniers do not want taxpayers to have open access to NOAA information and data.

NOAA’s new GOES-16 weather satellite let us watch each storm’s movements with unprecedented speed and resolution. The government’s fleet of Hurricane Hunter aircraft regularly flew through the core of each storm to tell us what to expect. NOAA’s weather models helped its hurricane experts predict the tracks of each storm with a level of accuracy only dreamed of just a few decades ago. The government’s network of weather balloons helped those models ingest accurate data to make predictions even more accurate. And NOAA’s extensive weather radar network helped residents prepare for storms down to street level.

Trump announced his intent to nominate AccuWeather CEO Barry Myers to run the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)


NWS employee’s union, which vehemently opposes Myers’ appointment, told the Washington Post that an Administrator Myers would “turn the Weather Service into a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy of AccuWeather.”

https://earther.com/why-trumps-noaa-pick-has-scientists-and-forecasters-ser-1819440866


gsgs comment- What happens when Accuweather CEO Barry Myers decides to back Global Climate Change deniers, and not scientists ?

Barry Myers holds a bachelor’s degree in business administration and economics and a law degree.

Ciaran Clayton, an Obama-era communications director for N.O.A.A., told The Washington Post. “He actively lobbied to privatize the National Weather Service, which works day in and day out to protect the lives and livelihoods of millions of Americans, to benefit his own company’s bottom line.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...eather-czar-tried-to-shut-down-free-forecasts

I truly miss Al Roker's weather reports. I have been avoiding Megyn Kelly's show, and have no idea if a weather report is part of it.




Al Roker is still taking part in making TV segments. This week, Al Roker, Giada De Laurentiis, and Curtis Stone sampled candy corn pizza.


I was clicking through the TV stations, and I came across a segment advertising Al Roker's children's book,"Al Roker's Extreme Weather: Tornadoes, Typhoons, and Other Weather Phenomena."


It might be wise to give the younger generations information that can equip them to cope with the reality of our new situation.

Considering what occurred in Puerto Rico this month, it is necessary. The weather was most definitely in the Deadly Weather category.

It is sad to think that children still have to worry about nuclear fallout and deadly storms. It is 2017, not 1917.

TROMP ANNOUNCES NEW WEATHER SERVICE HEAD

NOAA spokeswoman Ima Toole today announced the White House's new choice for head of the National Weather Service.

"President Tromp has wisely chosen a noted geomancer and prophet to head our weather prediction agency. The Most Reverend Isa Phaaque Domino, DD, MGB, LSD is well known for accurate forecasting via The Bible Code divination method. Unlike current forecasting technologies, few animal sacrifices are required, and almost no infants. Welcome aboard, Rev!"

Arctic Blast.

Polar Vortex

November 10, 2017,


Signs are pointing toward a displacement of the polar vortex that may be accompanied by a significant storm with rain, snow and wind in the northeastern United States during the days prior to Thanksgiving.


The polar vortex is actually a storm in the upper part of the atmosphere that typically hangs out within the Arctic Circle. Arctic air is usually locked up within the bounds of this storm.

Occasionally, the polar vortex gets dislodged or splits into multiple parts. When this happens, arctic air can push southward to the mid-latitude regions anywhere around the globe.

"One such southward displacement of arctic air is in progress and will sweep across the Upper Midwest and Northeast into this weekend," according to AccuWeather Lead Long-Range Meteorologist Paul Pastelok.



https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...ortheastern-us-prior-to-thanksgiving/70003223

Record cold, three days in a row, for Boston. America is constantly breaking weather records, these past years.



What could possibly have caused this phenomenon ?

Any Los Angelenos here?

I cannot believe some of the footage I'm seeing from the 405.

As a side note: Rachel Maddow reported last night how the Trump Thug Tax Bill cuts off deductions for wildfires and earthquakes.

Another punishment for the Blue States. Yet the California Rs in the House alone are enough to kill this bill.

Carnal_Flower said:

Any Los Angelenos here?

I cannot believe some of the footage I'm seeing from the 405.

As a side note: Rachel Maddow reported last night how the Trump Thug Tax Bill cuts off deductions for wildfires and earthquakes.

Another punishment for the Blue States. Yet the California Rs in the House alone are enough to kill this bill.

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True, but Maddow's point was that the California Rs voted FOR the bill with the provision in it that cuts off deductions for wildfires and earthquakes. Duh.

Carnal_Flower said:

Any Los Angelenos here?

I cannot believe some of the footage I'm seeing from the 405.

As a side note: Rachel Maddow reported last night how the Trump Thug Tax Bill cuts off deductions for wildfires and earthquakes.

Another punishment for the Blue States. Yet the California Rs in the House alone are enough to kill this bill.

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No such thing as Los Angelenos. The term is Angelenos.

Good point.

sharingfantasies said:

No such thing as Los Angelenos. The term is Angelenos.

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