Bistro Bijou

unpredictablebijou said:

Homburg, 'zat you?

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Not me. I haven't been paying attention to HC though. Never can tell.

unpredictablebijou said:

Homburg, 'zat you?

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It's an incognito penis it's got sunglasses on

UnderYourSpell said:

It's an incognito penis it's got sunglasses on

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*looks down to check for sunglasses*

I didn't think so, but he's a crafty one, he is.

Did it look like this?

hehehe @ the incockneato penis.

Did I miss the lust-rous ms upbj?

My guy is beginning to think I've got a bondage fetish going on lately. I think it's because I called it shibari. Now, I wouldn't have thought to call it naught but "gettin-my-ass-tied-up" were it not for my elucidation by our hostess on this very thread. Thankfully, he knows I'm a word ho and understands that it's very difficult for me to forget such an interesting word...

Now, for bonus points...

On my rearview mirror:

Temporary but it feels like forever,
I hate that the stick man
has a wheelchair to ride
and I must bow to the demons
of geneology and park
close to the door
in case another tendon
snaps.

unpredictablebijou said:

Did it look like this?

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lol close ... its got a pop eye pipe too

Oddly enough, it's only shibari (or kinbaku) here in the West. Over there, where it comes from, these days it's called "bondage". Crazy, I know. We use a Japanese word for our very Westernised practise, while they use an English word for their actual Japanese practise. Go figure.

I don't use the Japanese words. While I tie in a very blatantly Japanese fashion (as it suits my aesthetic to a tee, probably from growing up with all sorts of Japanese artwork and bric-a-brac brought home from Japapn by my Japanese grandmother) I am no Nawashi, nor do I consider myself studied enough to even call what I do shibari or kinbaku. I'm happy enough with ropework. Kind of like artwork, but with rope, ne?

I'm a word geek too, but some things make me widgey. Titles I find pretentious, and I don't like to lay claim to a genre or classification unless I can empirically show that I own the skill that I am emulating.

I do have a few more photos that I hope to post today. They're more for the rope-geeks like me, but I'm happy with them.

And I have no reason why I'm rambling on about this when the order of the day is poetry. Probably because I like to ramble, and you folks are too polite to holler at me.

A for you lovely lot of lady wordsmiths.

champagne1982 said:

hehehe @ the incockneato penis.

Did I miss the lust-rous ms upbj?

My guy is beginning to think I've got a bondage fetish going on lately. I think it's because I called it shibari. Now, I wouldn't have thought to call it naught but "gettin-my-ass-tied-up" were it not for my elucidation by our hostess on this very thread. Thankfully, he knows I'm a word ho and understands that it's very difficult for me to forget such an interesting word...

Now, for bonus points...

On my rearview mirror:

Temporary but it feels like forever,
I hate that the stick man
has a wheelchair to ride
and I must bow to the demons
of geneology and park
close to the door
in case another tendon
snaps.

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It's good that I told him about shibari in the context of art with body and rope then. I think it's interesting that many people have a diminished view of their abilities, especially when it comes to something that requires the gift of talent. We are surrounded by fantastic visual and audio artists but do you think any would call themselves "artist"? It's the same as the oft repeated discussion of what makes an author a poet or writer...

I think, therefore I am. It's enough for me.

So, embrace your talent and name it what it is... Art.

champagne1982 said:

hehehe @ the incockneato penis.

Did I miss the lust-rous ms upbj?

My guy is beginning to think I've got a bondage fetish going on lately. I think it's because I called it shibari. Now, I wouldn't have thought to call it naught but "gettin-my-ass-tied-up" were it not for my elucidation by our hostess on this very thread. Thankfully, he knows I'm a word ho and understands that it's very difficult for me to forget such an interesting word...

Now, for bonus points...

On my rearview mirror:

Temporary but it feels like forever,
I hate that the stick man
has a wheelchair to ride
and I must bow to the demons
of geneology and park
close to the door
in case another tendon
snaps.

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well, you missed me, but you winged me. Your next shot should be right on.

As a word ho, you'll appreciate my struggle to define shibari when specifically applied to the male equipment. Just about everything I see on it is either unisex or specifically addressed to women.

So, like a simplistic moron, I've come up with this theory:

Origami
Kokigami
(and a favorite example)

therefore
shibari

koki-shibari?

Nice poem, baby - I'll build the new refrigerator tomorrow; I've already got a bunch of catching up to do with you prolific lot. And yes, bonus points for you. You can redeem them for cookies.

mm. cookies.

bj

champagne1982 said:

It's good that I told him about shibari in the context of art with body and rope then. I think it's interesting that many people have a diminished view of their abilities, especially when it comes to something that requires the gift of talent. We are surrounded by fantastic visual and audio artists but do you think any would call themselves "artist"? It's the same as the oft repeated discussion of what makes an author a poet or writer...

I think, therefore I am. It's enough for me.

So, embrace your talent and name it what it is... Art.

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It's a matter of comparison in my own milieu. I see the work of those whom I considers artists, and I see mine. I do not wish to elevate myself to their level by terminology and self-reference when I do not feel that my work is at that level.

I occassionally feel comfortable enough to call myself a rope artist. It is on those days when I have not been thoroughly blown away by those who are my obvious betters. Rope is probably the only area that I would call myself an artist, as it is the one things that calls to my passion with fire and focus.

This is kind of sad, as I made my living, humble though it was, with my paintbrushes doing commision work back in college (painting miniatures, toy soldiers, nothing so glamourous). You would think that doing some sort of art and actually making my living off of it would make me happy to call myself an artist there. Nope. Artisan, craftsman, etc. Artist was not in my personal vocabulary of words applicable to me.

And honestly, it's a matter of titles and talent. I dislike titles, and I am never comfortable with my own talent level or creativity. It is the one area where I can always do better, and am never satisfied. This is odd for me, as I am realistic about basically everything else in my life, and set achievable goals all the time.

Still, I would hazard a guess that many here that I, in my humble opinion, would call poets would likewise avoid that term. Or maybe not. Poets are an odd bunch.

But I will say that, in my eyes, I do not diminish my art. I simply discuss it frankly, and allow for self-criticism. Fortunately I have others around me to smack me about. (and I recently received some compliments on my work from folks whom I am amazed by. Nothing finer in the world than that feeling.)

For you, I will call myself a rope artist here, as you are correct in many ways.

Thank you. *bows*



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unpredictablebijou said:

well, you missed me, but you winged me. Your next shot should be right on.

As a word ho, you'll appreciate my struggle to define shibari when specifically applied to the male equipment. Just about everything I see on it is either unisex or specifically addressed to women.

So, like a simplistic moron, I've come up with this theory:

Origami
Kokigami
(and a favorite example)

therefore
shibari

koki-shibari?

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I think it's a fine term indeed, bijou. No one that I've talked to can give me any better ideas on it, that's for sure. Perhaps we'll start a trend?

Now I must google. You bunch are exhausting. Off to discover some form of understanding...

Homburg said:

I think it's a fine term indeed, bijou. No one that I've talked to can give me any better ideas on it, that's for sure. Perhaps we'll start a trend?

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One can only devoutly, sincerely, prayerfully hope, she said, sounding as plaintive as possible.

"Artist" covers a lot of ground. So does "poet." Names, I suppose, have all the significance we choose to give them, no more, no less.

But your argument makes sense to me - it's why I refuse to call myself a poet, or call the word thingies I write "poems." I leave that for others to define.

However, it is to be said that if someone else gives you a name or title, like artist or poet, it is generally legitimate and worth accepting.

bj

champagne1982 said:

Now I must google. You bunch are exhausting. Off to discover some form of understanding...

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gads, I adore you.

Lemme perk you up. You're in a bistro, after all. A nice cappucino? and a handful of (legal Speed) chocolate-covered espresso beans?

bj

unpredictablebijou said:

One can only devoutly, sincerely, prayerfully hope, she said, sounding as plaintive as possible.

"Artist" covers a lot of ground. So does "poet." Names, I suppose, have all the significance we choose to give them, no more, no less.

But your argument makes sense to me - it's why I refuse to call myself a poet, or call the word thingies I write "poems." I leave that for others to define.

However, it is to be said that if someone else gives you a name or title, like artist or poet, it is generally legitimate and worth accepting.

bj

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I've been called a rope artist more than one. This is one reason why I'm warming up to it.

Your word thingies are poems. Period. I'll accept the not-a-poet thing because I do it. But your work is poetry. Suck it up, buttercup.

I think I've got some kind of perception into the reason there's no real male form of shibari, but that's because there's no female shibari either. The term in Japanese doesn't distinguish between the sexes, it's all about the arousal of the tied. The rigger is the true servant in this. They must answer to the rope, the patterns and most importantly, the skin.

It's because it is more palatable to envision a bound feminine form in our heterosexual predominant society that most artistic images are of women submitting to the rope. The male images I've found are catering to the gay and kinky fetishists and have really bad actor/models giving false agonized facial expressions to the camera. I think if they were true to finding the average male shibarist, then you would see the male relationship with the rope in it's more attractive guise.

Just my thought...

I had no idea those clever Japanese were making disposable sex toys! LOL I've always thought them especially devious in the development and marketing of video games with built in 3 month obsolesence, this is diabolical. I think I've got a whole new collectibles hobby.

<snerk>

champagne1982 said:

Good morning B's B mavens.

RF, the download speed is not your computer but your connection speed. If you're paying for a high speed connection, you're getting ripped off. Do not phone a sales rep, call the tech support. If the IP tries to sell you something else to "improve" your cnxion speed, tell them in as blunt a fashion as you like to get stuffed, odds are the high speed service isn't in your area. The only people who get true high speed are listed in the service provider's license or contract somewhere. If your town or county isn't on that piece of paper, no modem nor additional RAM can be bought to improve your download speed.

eta: If you are paying for High Speed service and it's not available, revert back to dial up. Otherwise, you're paying about 20 bucks too much for internet service and not getting what's advertised. Just say NO!

Good idea Annie girl. Strip poker?

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Drrrrrr

I quiet forgot about the dial up. No, I am not blonde but there are times ...

I do have dial up and the high speed is not available here. So, I sit and suffer from malnutrition. Ohhh, to taste the fruit, once more ...


Thanks everyone for bringing me up to speed
with that not so sweet reminder, lol.

Heyyyyyyyy am sitting here all hurt now ..... why? I am blooooooooooonde I have been blonde all my liiiiiiife it doesnt come out of a bottle and I'm not ruddy dumb .. scatty yes but dumb ? sobbbbb

UnderYourSpell said:

Heyyyyyyyy am sitting here all hurt now ..... why? I am blooooooooooonde I have been blonde all my liiiiiiife it doesnt come out of a bottle and I'm not ruddy dumb .. scatty yes but dumb ? sobbbbb

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My sincerest apologies ...

I really am sorry. I was actually referring to my daughter. She is smart as a whip and ... she never applies that to anything. I suppose I better come up with anther expression. Open mouth, insert foot.

Welllll ok you are forgiven ...... but only cos it's uuuuuu and kinda special ((((((hugs))))))

champagne1982 said:

I think I've got some kind of perception into the reason there's no real male form of shibari, but that's because there's no female shibari either. The term in Japanese doesn't distinguish between the sexes, it's all about the arousal of the tied. The rigger is the true servant in this. They must answer to the rope, the patterns and most importantly, the skin.

It's because it is more palatable to envision a bound feminine form in our heterosexual predominant society that most artistic images are of women submitting to the rope. The male images I've found are catering to the gay and kinky fetishists and have really bad actor/models giving false agonized facial expressions to the camera. I think if they were true to finding the average male shibarist, then you would see the male relationship with the rope in it's more attractive guise.

Just my thought...

I had no idea those clever Japanese were making disposable sex toys! LOL I've always thought them especially devious in the development and marketing of video games with built in 3 month obsolesence, this is diabolical. I think I've got a whole new collectibles hobby.

<snerk>

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I ran into those sorts of images a lot too when I first started to look for stuff on the net. What helped, actually, was doing a google IMAGE search rather than just a regular search. It tends to lower the incidence of the "porn" type sites and give you more of the art-themed stuff. In fact, saw some lovely pics right on the first page of the search of male torsos in shibari.

The name I'm focusing on is specifically shibari as it is applied to the male - um, wedding tackle. It's actually a silly differentiation since obviously it's all shibari, regardless of where the knots are being tied on the body, but it does seem to be sort of a specialty area, as it were. One must be educated...

Any culture that's been researching sexuality in a rather practical and straightforward manner for 4000 years or more has to have something on the ball... but disposable sex toys? What if one tends to get fond of them and name them? That would be like throwing away a pet. Or your husband...

...wait a minute....



Anyway, got to the shop to a triple crisis this morning. frozen water meter, now thawed, has created leaks. Co-owner is sick as a dog and must go home right now, and the landlord seems to have skipped town or something. And and and and.

At least the bistro's running smoothly. Canneloni al Forno (the bechamel turned out better than expected), smoked salmon salad and a heartwarming apple and blackberry compote are the specials.

Hyperbole and superlatives fail me regarding how stupidly cold it continues to be.

but "suck it up, buttercup" is my new motto. frickin' love that.

I'm naturally blonde (Swedish, even, so that's TWO dumb groups I'm in) so I can tell this tired old joke with impunity.

Why did the blonde go to church?

*spread arms out wide*
she heard there was a guy there who was Hung Like THIS.

bj

Bijouuuuuuuuuuuuu completely and utterly shooooooooocked!! and that takes some doing !!!!!

UnderYourSpell said:

Bijouuuuuuuuuuuuu completely and utterly shooooooooocked!! and that takes some doing !!!!!

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It is rather awful of me, isn't it. sorry.

I'll try to behave myself a bit better.



I will fail.

bj

I sent you a link to some rather fascinating pics ms upbj. But, I can see the attraction to wanting your lover trussed and ready... OMG, how ready!

unpredictablebijou said:

but "suck it up, buttercup" is my new motto. frickin' love that.

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I'm naturally blonde (Swedish, even, so that's TWO dumb groups I'm in) so I can tell this tired old joke with impunity.

Why did the blonde go to church?

*spread arms out wide*
she heard there was a guy there who was Hung Like THIS.

bj

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Driving down the highway, vainly trying to keep in my lane, laughing at this joke.

Snapshot of part of my afternoon.

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champagne1982 said:

I sent you a link to some rather fascinating pics ms upbj. But, I can see the attraction to wanting your lover trussed and ready... OMG, how ready!

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The rope can often get in the way, but a creative mind can make adjustments. Still, it looks better, and feels better when it is in the way. For some reason, rope and sensitive bits are two things that get along famously.

Rope > Vibrator - heard this more than once.

champagne1982 said:

I sent you a link to some rather fascinating pics ms upbj. But, I can see the attraction to wanting your lover trussed and ready... OMG, how ready!

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I am still laying on the floor of the shop and twitching over that link.

good thing no one's in here at the moment.

bj