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I adore strong and dominant women. I enjoy the role of cuckold. Neither of those things should be confused with being weak. And swinging your dick around and behaving like an asshole doesn't mean you are strong.

A good hot wife is a magnificent sexual creature that men, including her husband, want to be near. This woman is an abusive bitch. If there is any truth here he should get away from her as fast as he can.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't part of the kink of being a cuck getting to fuck your wife after her bull filled her up? I simply can't wrap my brain around not letting your husband see you naked - ever - or having sex with him - ever -, nor "letting" him masturbate or ejaculate - ever - . Seems very unhealthy for him as ejaculating keeps the prostate healthy.
 
simplegirl said:
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't part of the kink of being a cuck getting to fuck your wife after her bull filled her up? I simply can't wrap my brain around not letting your husband see you naked - ever - or having sex with him - ever -, nor "letting" him masturbate or ejaculate - ever - . Seems very unhealthy for him as ejaculating keeps the prostate healthy.
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"With all due respect to the OP, my husband and I enjoy the cuckold lifestyle and we know numerous other couples who do the same. Consequently, I would like to point out that the situation the OP describes is not representative of anything we have ever experienced or heard of in our circles."

I don't mean to discount the OP's post; however, it perpetuates an image of the lifestyle that is uncharacteristic and distasteful. Every activity has its extremes. Often times those extremes shine a bad light on the norm.
 
I've decided to write a reply to address some of the musings and long-winded rants that have been posted.

The description of this specific cuckold situation comes from the cuck and his wife. I am not their Bull, nor do I have any desire to be. The husband has told me that intellectually he accepts his cuckold fate; but emotionally, he is still struggling with it.

I know their relationship has other red flags - but that is not my business to stick my nose in. I was only asked to help in one very limited area. And I came here asking for additional advice from OTHER SUB CUCKS. That was clearly stated in the original post, as I don't expect just anyone to be able to understand something if they haven't experienced it.

Thanks to the few individuals who genuinely offered insight, rather than the paranoid, self-implied experts who trolled this thread.

In addressing whether this is mere story fodder: LIT has a venue for that. And who the hell gets off on an "erotic" story about how a cuck deals with his emotions? Maybe you find that to be jack-off material, but I sure as hell don't. As to whether this is wank fodder...... If you think that, you must be pretty desperate for porn. I've not described this situation in lewd, physical, stimulating terms. There is no mention of throbbing, excitement, sexual euphoria, mind-blowing orgasms, seduction, etc. My description has been purely clinical, focusing on the mental and emotional aspects, not the sexual aspects. If this was for arousal purposes, it would qualify as pretty dry, boring stuff.

I won't bother posting additional comments to counter the further lame ramblings of individuals, who either well meaning and misguided, or are merely narcistic shit-stirers, who get a weak thrill from hijacking someone else's thread for their own self-inflating purposes. It is easier to dismiss them for what they truly are. So obviously, they will get the last word, which should feed into their egotistical desires nicely. I'm sure that rather than starting their own threads and ideas, they will not be able to resist the childish compulsion to pick apart this response, make more silly accusations (as if they have some secret insight as to "the truth"), and then debate their right to disagree, rationalize why they should continue to rant on with their gifted observations and advanced intelligence, challenge me further, etc. I know they just can't help themselves. So.... Let the hot air begin.

For those sub cucks who have experience and advice to offer, I'm still interested in your assistance.
 
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bull4cuckolds said:
I've decided to write a reply to address some of the musings and long-winded rants that have been posted.

The description of this specific cuckold situation comes from the cuck and his wife. I am not their Bull, nor do I have any desire to be. The husband has told me that intellectually he accepts his cuckold fate; but emotionally, he is still struggling with it.

I know their relationship has other red flags - but that is not my business to stick my nose in. I was only asked to help in one very limited area. And I came here asking for additional advice from OTHER SUB CUCKS. That was clearly stated in the original post, as I don't expect just anyone to be able to understand something if they haven't experienced it.

Thanks to the few individuals who genuinely offered insight, rather than the paranoid, self-implied experts who trolled this thread.

In addressing whether this is mere story fodder: LIT has a venue for that. And who the hell gets off on an "erotic" story about how a cuck deals with his emotions? Maybe you find that to be jack-off material, but I sure as hell don't. As to whether this is wank fodder...... If you think that, you must be pretty desperate for porn. I've not described this situation in lewd, physical, stimulating terms. There is no mention of throbbing, excitement, sexual euphoria, mind-blowing orgasms, seduction, etc. My description has been purely clinical, focusing on the mental and emotional aspects, not the sexual aspects. If this was for arousal purposes, it would qualify as pretty dry, boring stuff.

I won't bother posting additional comments to counter the further lame ramblings of individuals, who either well meaning and misguided, or are merely narcistic shit-stirers, who get a weak thrill from hijacking someone else's thread for their own self-inflating purposes. It is easier to dismiss them for what they truly are. So obviously, they will get the last word, which should feed into their egotistical desires nicely. I'm sure that rather than starting their own threads and ideas, they will not be able to resist the childish compulsion to pick apart this response, make more silly accusations (as if they have some secret insight as to "the truth"), and then debate their right to disagree, rationalize why they should continue to rant on with their gifted observations and advanced intelligence, challenge me further, etc. I know they just can't help themselves. So.... Let the hot air begin.

For those sub cucks who have experience and advice to offer, I'm still interested in your assistance.
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No offence but if you post in a public forum, then you open yourself to all sorts of answers. You can't dictate that type of responders you would like to hear from. Additionally, many long-time, established and highly respected posters offered some sound advice, first and foremost that before a couple enters an alternative lifestyle, their relationship must be rock solid and have absolutely no flags. Even those within the lifestyle emphasised this.

To address your point about the thread reading as a potential investment in someone's spank bank, as a longtime poster, trust me, I've seen enough of this and I will be honest, your initial post read like many previous threads that was purely for wank-fodder. If you recall, once you have clarified your issues, many posts were of the helpful nature-and besides, as I have mentioned before, this is a public forum, and as such, anyone is free to post whatever they please. Accusing the majority of established posters who offered sound advice as narcissitc shit-stirrers, or self-inflated or misguided is not only presumptuous but also quite insulting and crass.

I do suggested that you read the posts, and take into account that if you want to help your friend, then he should fix his relationship and ensure it is solid before resuming this lifestyle.

:)
 
Here's a thought:

Have this "beta cuck" with a lot of time on his hands stop by and drop us a note so that he can get the benefit of the advice and feedback first hand. Or were you needing to translate it for him into some other language?

Be interesting to see you try your hand at "voicing" him since you do "I am ALPHA-BULL, hear me ROAR!" so well.

In the alternative, assuming you have been having this conversation with someone who resides outside of your head, I would like to see the work product of someone that could sell you this story.
 
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bull4cuckolds said:
I've decided to write a reply to address some of the musings and long-winded rants that have been posted.

The description of this specific cuckold situation comes from the cuck and his wife. I am not their Bull, nor do I have any desire to be. The husband has told me that intellectually he accepts his cuckold fate; but emotionally, he is still struggling with it.

I know their relationship has other red flags - but that is not my business to stick my nose in. I was only asked to help in one very limited area. And I came here asking for additional advice from OTHER SUB CUCKS. That was clearly stated in the original post, as I don't expect just anyone to be able to understand something if they haven't experienced it.

Thanks to the few individuals who genuinely offered insight, rather than the paranoid, self-implied experts who trolled this thread.

In addressing whether this is mere story fodder: LIT has a venue for that. And who the hell gets off on an "erotic" story about how a cuck deals with his emotions? Maybe you find that to be jack-off material, but I sure as hell don't. As to whether this is wank fodder...... If you think that, you must be pretty desperate for porn. I've not described this situation in lewd, physical, stimulating terms. There is no mention of throbbing, excitement, sexual euphoria, mind-blowing orgasms, seduction, etc. My description has been purely clinical, focusing on the mental and emotional aspects, not the sexual aspects. If this was for arousal purposes, it would qualify as pretty dry, boring stuff.

I won't bother posting additional comments to counter the further lame ramblings of individuals, who either well meaning and misguided, or are merely narcistic shit-stirers, who get a weak thrill from hijacking someone else's thread for their own self-inflating purposes. It is easier to dismiss them for what they truly are. So obviously, they will get the last word, which should feed into their egotistical desires nicely. I'm sure that rather than starting their own threads and ideas, they will not be able to resist the childish compulsion to pick apart this response, make more silly accusations (as if they have some secret insight as to "the truth"), and then debate their right to disagree, rationalize why they should continue to rant on with their gifted observations and advanced intelligence, challenge me further, etc. I know they just can't help themselves. So.... Let the hot air begin.

For those sub cucks who have experience and advice to offer, I'm still interested in your assistance.
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I am not sure if any of this is aimed at me, but I think I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt as to sincerity and provide honest and useful answers. I am the first to counsel people not to see things through the lens of other people's bias. I believe and live the experience that just because someone tells you the cuckold experience is by definition humiliating doesn't mean that it is true.

Still I cannot wrap my head around how being completely ignored and shut out for an extended period and with no hope of anything more is anything other than abandonment. A cuckold is an unconventional man who revels in things that other men find unpalatable - it is highly unconventional but empirically provable.

I have never met a person who wants to be treated the way you have described and everything you have said about this man is that he isn't enjoying it either. Just as a "bad" Dom crosses the threshold into being an abusive asshole, this man's wife has crossed the threshold into being an abusive bitch and he should get away from her as fast as he can.
 
Bull4cuckolds, most here have given you the benefit of the doubt as to the sincerity of your post and you've gotten some great insight and advice. Please don't spit in their eyes just because it's not what you want to hear.

I know there are extremes to everything, but I find it very odd that people who are new to the lifestyle would choose a form of it that is that extreme right out of the gate. Being only 6 months in, and being such an extreme version of cuckoldry, I think it's entirely reasonable that they regroup and sincerely talk about what works and what doesn't for both of them. I don't think it's just a matter of him having to eat shit a like it, after all that does smack of abuse. Being entirely cut off for the rest of his life, to my mind, is totally unrealistic and what does he get out of it? It has to work and fulfill the needs of both of them, otherwise it's a disaster in the making.
 
OP, you say this couple is 6 months into cuckolding. How much experience do you have in the lifestyle?
 
Miles Long said:
OP, you say this couple is 6 months into cuckolding. How much experience do you have in the lifestyle?
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I've been in and out of the lifestyle over 15 years. I'm experienced, but certainly no expert. There is also a significant generation gap between me (47) and the 20's cpl who came to me for help; so I realize that my ideas of how they should be proceeding (as far as specific steps and time periods) might not be what I would do; but I'm also aware that being they are younger and possible more hip, open, or sexually spontaneous, they might move at a faster pace than traditionally more aged cuckold cpls.
 
simplegirl said:
Bull4cuckolds, most here have given you the benefit of the doubt as to the sincerity of your post and you've gotten some great insight and advice. Please don't spit in their eyes just because it's not what you want to hear.

I know there are extremes to everything, but I find it very odd that people who are new to the lifestyle would choose a form of it that is that extreme right out of the gate. Being only 6 months in, and being such an extreme version of cuckoldry, I think it's entirely reasonable that they regroup and sincerely talk about what works and what doesn't for both of them. I don't think it's just a matter of him having to eat shit a like it, after all that does smack of abuse. Being entirely cut off for the rest of his life, to my mind, is totally unrealistic and what does he get out of it? It has to work and fulfill the needs of both of them, otherwise it's a disaster in the making.
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I have always posted sincere thanks to those who have not jumped in half-cocked and offered sincere advice. I've also been private messaged by several nice people who have offered to help, but want to escape the public scrutiny of the juvenile troll crowd.

I too, think it odd about how this couple has initially proceeded. But they were already in this situation when I was contacted by them (specifically, by the husband first, then later by the wife). Their solicitation for advice was narrowly focused on just the one issue. I didn't risk alienating them by getting in the rest of their business uninvited, like a know-it-all. If and when they seek guidance as to the overall design of their individualized cuckold relationship, then I will weigh in with my two cents. But if they aren't seeking my advice on that at present, I can only assume the wheel is not broken, and regardless of how unconventional their specific arrangement is, I don't want to meddle in it, if indeed it is somehow working for them.

I don't want to seem ungrateful for your input. I truly appreciate it and I will happily store it away for a rainy day, should the couple seek my advice on those relevant matters.
 
Chat trawling

bull4cuckolds said:
Those submissive beta cuckold guys out there who have been through this denial, please advise me how to help my cucky friend. Thank you.
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I just looked back through your post history - you have frequently been asking for contact, particularly from men, through a number of threads for quite a while.

This thread you have started here comes across as yet another veiled attempt to trawl/troll for chat.
 
NightL said:
I just looked back through your post history - you have frequently been asking for contact, particularly from men, through a number of threads for quite a while.

This thread you have started here comes across as yet another veiled attempt to trawl/troll for chat.
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You think?
 
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Ever consider that maybe he just isn't into it? Just a thought. I mean, if he is, there is some good advice given here, from several posters, but what makes you sure that because he is less endowed, he wants to be a cuckold. If he doesn't, here's a crazy idea....have him try wearing a strap-on dildo for a second fuck after he's already fucked her. That way, the cum from his first time inside her will act as lube, she'll already be a bit excited, and if she is a bit of a size queen...no judgment here, but the increase in length and girth from the strap-on should help, especially if he also plays with her clit and/or her ass. Or maybe her tits, for those women who get off on mammary manipulation.

Don't get me wrong. If some guy approached about fucking his wife and I desired her, and especially if I also desired him, I would be very inclined to do it. The more I knew her and him and liked them, the better the chances of it happening, but I wouldn't ever push the couple into a lifestyle that may or may not suit them because it might somehow give me kicks. For one thing, I'd want to fuck both of them, probably, if he is at all bi (or even bi-curious), and I'd want to give him my sloppy seconds, possibly have him give me his, too. Then when I'd recovered (I'm no Superman), I'd fuck both of them in the ass (if they were into that). But that's just me.

Now, if the man has expressed and indicated that he really does want to be a cuck, then some of the advice makes perfect sense, especially Slut Addicted's and Policywank's. Personally, I've never gotten off on denying other people, but that's just me. Not everyone is like me. Still, denial might not just be a river in Egypt, but it's also not everyone's kink. If he was into denial, he would have made that clear by now, I think. Trying hard to escape it is not exactly an endorsement from his end. Let him out of his damn cock cage and let the couple work out their issues between them. Maybe you've done enough for and to them. Give them a chance to decide as a couple what they really want. If it is really cuckolding, that's fine. That's a free choice and they have the right to make it. But if it isn't, you need to respect that as well.

Also, perhaps the wife wants a cuckold, but he doesn't want to be one. Perhaps she should try finding another man for that role, who is willing and eager for it, while hubby and she try something else for them. Maybe an open marriage is better. Maybe monogamy. Who knows, but let them sort it out for themselves. You are meddling. That is not sexual freedom. It's bullying.
 
Considering the OP has made numerous posts soliciting conversation with cuckold couples and cuckold husbands, I would accept that his post is probably legitimate, and he actually has an online friend with this problem. However with this said, (after reading some of his posts), I think the OP knows very little about human nature, and even less about cuckold husbands. He makes the point, "Now the cuck has all these regrets, even though his marriage is stronger and happier." If the marriage was really stronger and happier, the cuckold husband wouldn't have any regrets would he?

This is the most befuddling statement(s) in the OP's whole post.
bull4cuckolds said:
I've tried my best to help him understand his role, and learn to find happiness and enjoyment in his cuckold duties. But his own self-centeredness blocks out concern for his beautiful sexy wife's happiness, and he only whines about how he should get to be the King in the bedroom (with his laughably small penis, lol).

How do I help him understand his natural submissive cuckold fate as a beta male, and get him to demonstrate true love for his wife's sexual needs, rather than only selfishly concentrating on his stupid fantasy that he can just magically transform himself into a big cocked Greek Alpha male sex god and sweep her back off her feet?
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To suggest that a man, (any man, husband or not), is somehow *fated* to be cuckold, and that if he does not accept his fated role as a beta male with glee, he is selfish and self centered. The OP's opinion that cuckold husbands are fated to be beta males, and should have no choice about their role in the bedroom, is beyond ludicrous. It's stupid!

Cuckold has nothing to do with penis size, nor does it have anything to do with whether a man is considered alpha or beta. Some cuckold husband's penis is actually larger than his wife's lover's/bull's penis, and in many cases, the cuckold husband is as big or bigger physically. A cuckold husband's need to be cuckold is driven by a sexual/emotional high that he can't get any other way. To be denied the one thing he wants most, (sex with his wife), while she openly gives herself to another man, is arousing to the extreme for some men. A cuckold husband can maintain a sexual high, (emotional/sexual arousal), for days at a time. It can even become physically painful, (think blue-balls).

There is often a humiliation factor involved; however, the humiliation usually does not arise from his inability to satisfy his wife sexually, rather the humiliation usually comes from the fact that he cannot control this need within himself. His need to be aroused to the extreme exceeds his need for his wife to be faithful. Cuckold is not about big or small penises, nor is it about who is alpha and who is beta, it is about a unique sexual need some men have. While some cuckold husband's are denied sex completely by their wife, other cuckold couples have the best sex they've ever had after the bull leaves. For some cuckold couples, it is the husband's desire to prove he is as good a lover has the bull that drives him to satisfy his wife in ways that the bull cannot.

While the sexual dynamics of a cuckold marriage can vary from couple to couple, the desire to be cuckold is usually driven by the husband's need to be aroused both sexually and emotionally to the extreme. In many cases, (if not most), the wife takes a lover to satisfy her husband's sexual needs, not to just satisfy her own.

What the OP describes is not a cuckold marriage at all, rather it is a sick marriage. I would suggest the OP's friend get himself and his wife into counseling, and get his marriage straightened out, or as Pimpslap suggested, "Divorce the whore."

Just because a man's wife wants to fuck around, that doesn't make it a cuckold marriage. Sometimes it just means, his wife wants to fuck around.
 
The OP is quite likely the one that fantasizes about being cuckolded. He is either single, or in a marriage with a wife that is disinterested in his fantasy. He created this character to explore his fantasy. The character is talking about the cuckold he wishes he was, soliciting others to pile on and reinforce the exact dynamic of cuckolding he fantasizes about.

This is why he is so specific about what he insists is the usual and proper way to go about these things as if there is such a thing for any human sexual dynamic.

I would think an actual bull's primary interest is the wife, not how little the husbands dick is. Like any complicated dynamic, a bull would need to ascertain what sort of involvement the husband is going to want to have, does he desire humiliation play and like that, but that is a secondary concern.

Any such concern would be for the actual bull fucking this imaginary cuckold's wife, not some random "experienced bull" telling him what to expect.

Complicated enough if this scene was anything but fiction for the actual three people involved. To have an onlooker directing traffic and allegedly looking for our feedback so he can direct this traffic is beyond silly.

His responses have all been geared to having everyone nod along with how these things "always work." He rejected each and every response that did not fit his need to have all of us nod and point at the sealed fate of the poor little-dicked cuckold who is the actual protagonist and author of this vignette.
 
Harold_Hill said:
Considering the OP has made numerous posts soliciting conversation with cuckold couples and cuckold husbands, I would accept that his post is probably legitimate, and he actually has an online friend with this problem. However with this said, (after reading some of his posts), I think the OP knows very little about human nature, and even less about cuckold husbands. He makes the point, "Now the cuck has all these regrets, even though his marriage is stronger and happier." If the marriage was really stronger and happier, the cuckold husband wouldn't have any regrets would he?

This is the most befuddling statement(s) in the OP's whole post.


To suggest that a man, (any man, husband or not), is somehow *fated* to be cuckold, and that if he does not accept his fated role as a beta male with glee, he is selfish and self centered. The OP's opinion that cuckold husbands are fated to be beta males, and should have no choice about their role in the bedroom, is beyond ludicrous. It's stupid!

Cuckold has nothing to do with penis size, nor does it have anything to do with whether a man is considered alpha or beta. Some cuckold husband's penis is actually larger than his wife's lover's/bull's penis, and in many cases, the cuckold husband is as big or bigger physically. A cuckold husband's need to be cuckold is driven by a sexual/emotional high that he can't get any other way. To be denied the one thing he wants most, (sex with his wife), while she openly gives herself to another man, is arousing to the extreme for some men. A cuckold husband can maintain a sexual high, (emotional/sexual arousal), for days at a time. It can even become physically painful, (think blue-balls).

There is often a humiliation factor involved; however, the humiliation usually does not arise from his inability to satisfy his wife sexually, rather the humiliation usually comes from the fact that he cannot control this need within himself. His need to be aroused to the extreme exceeds his need for his wife to be faithful. Cuckold is not about big or small penises, nor is it about who is alpha and who is beta, it is about a unique sexual need some men have. While some cuckold husband's are denied sex completely by their wife, other cuckold couples have the best sex they've ever had after the bull leaves. For some cuckold couples, it is the husband's desire to prove he is as good a lover has the bull that drives him to satisfy his wife in ways that the bull cannot.

While the sexual dynamics of a cuckold marriage can vary from couple to couple, the desire to be cuckold is usually driven by the husband's need to be aroused both sexually and emotionally to the extreme. In many cases, (if not most), the wife takes a lover to satisfy her husband's sexual needs, not to just satisfy her own.

What the OP describes is not a cuckold marriage at all, rather it is a sick marriage. I would suggest the OP's friend get himself and his wife into counseling, and get his marriage straightened out, or as Pimpslap suggested, "Divorce the whore."

Just because a man's wife wants to fuck around, that doesn't make it a cuckold marriage. Sometimes it just means, his wife wants to fuck around.
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That is well said. I think a key misperception about this fetish lifestyle is that the cuckold is shut out and replaced by the bull. While there may be some role play along these lines in my experience nothing could be further from the truth. People seem to presume this to be the case because they simply cannot imagine the husband wanting to see his wife fucked by another man or they buy into the notion that he must be falling short because a real man would keep his wife satisfied. Regardless of what anyone thinks of it, some men do like to see their wives get fucked and lots of women can appreciate variety even if their husband is a wonderful lover.

It is a sexual adventure primarily for the man and wife and the bull is often just a prop (no offence intended). We treat him with respect, enjoy his company and send him home when we are done with him.

Where the bull does replace the cuckold, that is an actual cuckolding and likely marriage breakdown. It's not for me to define but I don't know any positive relationships that involve one person being permanently shut out or one party completely disregarding the needs of the other. Unless the cuckold can honestly say he is happy (which is not the case here) I would suggest he leave his wife and start a new life with someone who wants to be his partner. And I sure as hell wouldn't suggest he find a way to live with this abuse.
 
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